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Outraged by the implementation of Women in Battlefield 5

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1 hour ago, LAwLz said:

It feels out of place and forced, and I think most people feel that way.

The thing is, a lot of people such as myself - a battlefield fan - didn't care and it didn't felt out of place and forced. Why is that?
The discussion is in WHY does it feel out of place and forced for some people?

I explained it in my post and I'm gonna develop it explicitly again because there are various psychological phenomenons at work here and I could cite some for you:
1. Status Quo bias: people prefer when things remain the same. In BF5's case, they obviously changed something
2. Norms & Values: The discomfort of transgressed norms, not only that, but the expression of it. In fact, a during a very recent study of the university of ULB (I assisted to the lecture last month) the discrimination of LGBT people at work: in short, there was a theory that could be inducted with the data gathered: People that transgress the norm are not discriminated because they transgressed it, but because they show that they transgressed.

For instance, you get records of such conversations: "I hate muslim/gay people!" -"Well, I'm actually muslim/gay" -"Oh, you're okay because we don't notice it"
In case of BF5, they flagantry transgressed the norm of by presenting a woman as the new face of the game
3. The cognitive dissonance: which is the state of having inconsistent thoughts, beliefs, or attitudes: It's an extremely strong psychological state in which people won't accept their own incoherence (it's actually part of a defense mechanism to preserve self-integrity and thereby mental sanity), that's why even the most developed arguments won't even work.

No one wants to be sexist because it's socially undesirable. I believe many of the people complaining about the woman in the game also believe in equality between genders and women's rights. I believe they do not mean to be demeaning to women in any way. BUT the incoherence I exposed in the sole argument brought by those people which complains about historical inaccuracy (...):

1. Battlefield never pretended (in any game) to be historically accurate
2. There are many other bigger inaccuracies that didn't bother people that much

(...) shows that, the outrage may actually be (intended or not) sexism deflected (by the cognitive dissonance) behind the curtain of "historical accuracy". Because they ofcourse don't mean to be sexist, but they need to find a thing ("historical inaccuracy) to blame their discomfort on.
 

I'm sure there are many other phenomenons such as the lack of the ability of decentring which means being able to step outside of one's own truisms, cognitive scheme and preconceived, culturally anchored thoughts and ideas.

All in all, the status quo bias, norm&values, the cognitive dissonance are the main psychological phenomenons (I could observe in the people commenting against of the implementation of women in the game) that could explain their discomfort and the reason why they oppose this change. 

 

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https://kotaku.com/oh-no-there-are-women-in-battlefield-v-182627545


In our time of outrage and widespread hostility bias against 3rd wave feminism we now have this:

 

People are MAD that a woman is now on the cover of Battlefield 5, because its "not historically" accurate

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But like, that doesn’t even matter here. Any idea that this, of all things, is what shatters the credibility and historical credentials of a series that has long reduced the war to endless skirmishes between jeep-flipping, plane-crashing brave soldiers named 69XX_cvmlauder_xx69 is insane. Watch this trailer and tell me that, above everything else, it’s the gender and race of the combatants that seems unrealistic (...)

The author points out the flawed logic behind that argument trough out the article. Explaining that it's a video game with so much unrealistic elements in it and that complaining about the implementation of a female characters is pretty hypocritical. 

EDIT: They say women is unacceptable because of the "historic inaccuracy", but 
1. Battlefield never pretended (in any game) to be historically accurate
2. There are many other bigger inaccuracies that didn't bother people that much

Which shows that, the outrage may actually be (intended or not) sexism hiding behind the curtain of "historical accuracy"

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It doesn’t bother them that a randomly-created soldier with no training can jump behind the controls of a complex fighter aircraft, or expertly handle a cross-section of enemy weapons. They don’t care that the streets of European cities aren’t recreated 1:1, or that uniform details aren’t strictly adhered to, or that Battlefield’s war is fought to time limits and kill counts.


Anyway, here's my opinion: I didn't give a single damn when a woman was presented as the face of Battlefield 5. It would be a lie to say I didn't notice the change in the trailer, I did notice it, but I was neutral about it.
I didn't even think about it until I read the comments where I saw people emotionally invested in the fact that there was a female character. 

I don't think the outraged are inherently sexist. The problem lies in the fact that a norm was transcended and the norm was having a man on the cover and playing with male characters. People always feel uncomfortable when a norm is transgressed to the point where they are motivated to act against it (e.g: manifestations against homosexuality etc.). Even if the outraged are not sexist, they do however demonstrate quite a sexist behavior.

Now, don't come with the "but the SJW are ruining blablabla" - they're not, the gameplay remains the same. It's just a woman get over it. EA/Dice put a woman on the cover because they wanted to.

When I play video games, I make female characters all the time and my friends as well because we like it. We have no political agenda behind it, it's just fun.

Fun. That's what a game is for. Now suck it up.

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Literally people moaned on the BF forums about the lack of female soldiers, then this happens now people are crying and putting it behind a "political agenda" which is a load of bs. EA aren't the best company in the world, sure, but I think they've done some good worth this. But remember kids, NEVER PRE ORDER VIDEO GAMES NOR BELIEVE IN THE UNREAL HYPE, IT'S NMS ALL OVER AGAIN. 

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This day in age. Anything you do, anything you say, anything you believe in, anything you don't believe in...somewhere, someone will be offended.

Your profile picture has a car, I'm a eco kind of guy, that offends me, remove it or I'll erm-.. find something to flame you with......... 

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There are so many people that some of them are bound to be offended by anything. Just ignore them, they're sexist idiots.

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WTF DO THEY WANT?!

No girls, "that's sexism! girls exist!".

Girl on the cover "Unacceptable! Not accurate!".

 

Geez, make up your mind.

 

I'm all for girls in games, i mean if you are a girl, you should be able to play as a girl. Imo you should be able to have the option, but that's it...

Also i prefer to look at a female butt instead of a male butt but whatever...

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That is the culture of outrage. The SJW need to be outraged 24/7, and if they can't find any good reasons to be outraged they cling onto something so small, that it is rediculus.

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To believe these are the same twats that complained that BF1 was too historically accurate and that made it boring and now they're whining about the character customization and women... Jesus T christ what is wrong with plebs these days ?

1 minute ago, TimeOmnivore said:

What's funny is that these people are complaining about historical accuracy, when women actually did fight in WWII.

And WW1 just on the russian side of things which is the only faction in ALL of bf1 that has women

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I'm more outraged that the one woman has a prosthetic arm that somehow has a range of control that makes me think that no one who animated that even bothered to look into how those old fake limbs worked. Then there's the fact that everyone looks like a fucking fallout character.


All the forced diversity and ADA compliance aside, there's very little info about the game, but what they showed so far does not look promising. If they say "immersive" one more time I'll puke.

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5 minutes ago, samcool55 said:

Also i prefer to look at a female butt instead of a male butt but whatever...

100% agree

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I think half the problem is that  people are confused about which direction the game. You have to admit that from the trailer, its bloody difficult to tell.

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5 minutes ago, Some Random Member said:

That is the culture of outrage. The SJW need to be outraged 24/7, and if they can't find any good reasons to be outraged they cling onto something so small, that it is rediculus.

This isn't SJWs, this is the anti SJWs.

 

Like christ people play the game, not the politics.

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2 minutes ago, Dabombinable said:

I think half the problem is that  people are confused about which direction the game. You have to admit that from the trailer, its bloody difficult to tell.

Yes, but that would be a more constructive thing to be worried of.

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my view on this:

 

kotaku picked a couple of comments of trolls, haters, ... usual internet stuff and made a click bait article and someone at LTT forum fell for it.

You could do a article like this about almost everything, really what topic on the internet doesn't have people complaining about something?

 

some people got offended Linus wears socks with sandals, Kotaku reporting more on this, open the link and see the ads.

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Now, the best worst thing that EA could make is to end the campaign like so: A male and the female character drop their guns and embrace each other with a romantic & fiery kiss under the sunset while all the jewish children being delivered from a concentration camp run towards them as they are now a mom & dad figure.

I would feast upon the anger of the outraged!

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If anything the female character might be the superior choice. It's purely based off the "females are smaller" metric.

 

I can remember when Titanfall actually had a player base, the female character model was slimmer than the male character model. Smaller target = harder to hit. Also consider the wall running and jet-packing and some players would have a hard time and taking you out.

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Well, I don't see that prosthetic-limb-female-Rambo as a searchlight operator(which btw was the most common military role for women in WWII) in this BFV trailer :)

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8 minutes ago, Beer_Nontitju said:

100% agree

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4 minutes ago, asus killer said:

my view on this:

 

kotaku picked a couple of comments of trolls, haters, ... usual internet stuff and made a click bait article and someone at LTT forum fell for it.

You could do a article like this about almost everything, really what topic on the internet doesn't have people complaining about something?

 

some people got offended Linus wears socks with sandals, Kotaku reporting more on this, open the link and see the ads.

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16 minutes ago, Razor Blade said:

This day in age. Anything you do, anything you say, anything you believe in, anything you don't believe in...somewhere, someone will be offended.

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12 minutes ago, Syntaxvgm said:

 

I'm more outraged that the one woman has a prosthetic arm that somehow has a range of control that makes me think that no one who animated that even bothered to look into how those old fake limbs worked. Then there's the fact that everyone looks like a fucking fallout character.

 

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2 minutes ago, VegetableStu said:

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Women were not deployed in front line combat roles in WW2 other than for the Soviet Union and resistance fighters, these are the facts. Having a disabled British female soldier in the game is just embarrassing pandering to SJWs, and looks to be working judging from the likes of OP relishing the "outrage". While this is a very, very stupid decision from a historical accuracy perspective, it was a fantastic choice from a marketing perspective. Your average brain dead Kotaku or Polygon reader wouldn't have known BFV existed were it not for this, and they'll probably view buying the game as some kind of duty to prove they are an ally of SJW garbage.

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