Outraged by the implementation of Women in Battlefield 5

[Brooksie359]

1 hour ago, Beer_Nontitju said:

Then don't buy the game. Battlefield is trying to sell accessible fun for a large audience, not a museum

How does adding women enhance the audience base? Most inaccuracy implemented in the game is to make it more fun to play and add to the game where as adding women really has no purpose other than pandering. But that's just my opinion.

[Syntaxvgm]

2 minutes ago, Beer_Nontitju said:

Still doesn't say they're historically accurate. There = the battlefield? Immersive = the immersive battlefield DICE created?
You interpreted it your own way, there is no sentence saying they wanted to be historically accurate.

No matter how much you try your point does not stand and mine does.

Since you yet again ignored the part where I copied their website, and just pasted your old post again, I'll paste mine

6 minutes ago, Syntaxvgm said:

7 minutes ago, Beer_Nontitju said:

They still didn't pretend to be historically accurate: There = the virtual world the created? Immersive = sound design, graphical fidelity?
Now that I debunked your debunk attempt and the fact that the 2nd point remained uncontested, my argument stands strong: Sexism

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13 minutes ago, Syntaxvgm said:

HAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAH did you not watch the reveal?

Here's their website

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BATTLEFIELD™ V DEPLOYS OCTOBER 2018

Enter mankind’s greatest conflict with Battlefield™ V as the series goes back to its roots with a never-before-seen portrayal of World War 2. Lead your squad to victory with new ways to turn the battlefield to your advantage. Assemble your Company of customized soldiers, weapons, and vehicles – then take them on an epic journey through the Tides of War. Experience the most intense, immersive Battlefield yet. You will never be the same.
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Characters, locations, and weapons of war are all brought to life through vibrant, modern visuals and cutting-edge storytelling.
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Tides of War is the grand journey of you and your Company of soldiers through the unsung, unexpected battlefields of World War 2.

Really I don't think people would give a shit if they just said "this is a vaguely steampunk ww2 inspired fantasy shooter" and just went with the vague ww2 aesthetic. But no it takes you there to all the battles and it's so immersive

Really I'd prefer games not go for "accuracy" and go or style. Mix all the weapons and stuff up. It's a game.

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Lol you didn't debunk shit, you ignored most of the post including my copy paste from their website

.does calling people sexist because they don't like EA shoving a ton of female protagonists in (mainly the one with the robot arm, prosthetics didnt work like that) for no good reason get you a justice boner? Really, and they missed their chance, could have been Russian front for female leads.

 

[Agonizel]

Just now, Brooksie359 said:

How does adding women enhance the audience base? Most inaccuracy implemented in the game is to make it more fun to play and add to the game where as adding women really has no purpose other than pandering. But that's just my opinion.

it's just your opinion indeed. I suggest you read the comments proposing the functionalities of adding female characters

[Agonizel]

2 minutes ago, Syntaxvgm said:

Since you yet again ignored the part where I copied their website, and just pasted your old post again, I'll paste mine

 

If you read my comment closely, I literally quoted your copy/paste and showed you it didn't mean anything. Now stop trying to make an obviously invalid point, sir. 

[Brooksie359]

2 minutes ago, Beer_Nontitju said:

it's just your opinion indeed. I suggest you read the comments proposing the functionalities of adding female characters

There is none. The only reason would to allow people to play as a woman if they want but I think that's not enough to justify it.

[XenosTech]

17 minutes ago, Syntaxvgm said:

HAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAH did you not watch the reveal?

Here's their website

Really I don't think people would give a shit if they just said "this is a vaguely steampunk ww2 inspired fantasy shooter" and just went with the vague ww2 aesthetic. But no it takes you there to all the battles and it's so immersive

Really I'd prefer games not go for "accuracy" and go or style. Mix all the weapons and stuff up. It's a game.

If you read what you quoted properly you'd see the key word there is portrayal 

[Syntaxvgm]

Just now, Beer_Nontitju said:

If you read my comment closely, I literally quoted your copy/paste and showed you it didn't mean anything. Now stop trying to make an obviously invalid point, sir. 

No, you completely ignored the copy-paste from the website where they say
 

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BATTLEFIELD™ V DEPLOYS OCTOBER 2018

Enter mankind’s greatest conflict with Battlefield™ V as the series goes back to its roots with a never-before-seen portrayal of World War 2. Lead your squad to victory with new ways to turn the battlefield to your advantage. Assemble your Company of customized soldiers, weapons, and vehicles – then take them on an epic journey through the Tides of War. Experience the most intense, immersive Battlefield yet. You will never be the same.
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Characters, locations, and weapons of war are all brought to life through vibrant, modern visuals and cutting-edge storytelling.
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Tides of War is the grand journey of you and your Company of soldiers through the unsung, unexpected battlefields of World War 2.

Meanwhile the point about the prosethic arm and the fallout designs pissing people off the most is missed, while if they really wanted to shove a bunch of females in our face for a ww2 singleplayer campaign that's

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never-before-seen portrayal of World War 2

Teh simple answer would have been Russians.

There's probably plenty of content in Stalingrad alone to make a whole game. But no fuck that right?

Next they'll Make Jewish Nazis for the sake of diversity in one of these games.

[Agonizel]

1 hour ago, Beer_Nontitju said:

Because you theoretically widen the spectrum of characters one can identify with? Not every gamer is male and a I can imagine a lot of male players wanting to play a female character, like me.

 

1 hour ago, Biggerboot said:

Because imagination?  Or lulz?

 

1 hour ago, Biggerboot said:

In all seriousness this feels like a marketing tactic.

 

1 hour ago, mynameisjuan said:

Not talking about just FPS. I have a few friends that will always be a girl character, even when hit boxes are not really relevant. 

 

1 hour ago, XenosTech said:

Smaller hit box tbh, I don't use them personally but I've gotten good at aiming because of them... Tiny body but you still got a big ass 5head

@Brooksie359 Open your eyes next time

[Brooksie359]

1 hour ago, Bouzoo said:

Sadly, I have looked up about 20 websites/forums/youtube channels and it's the same thing everywhere. For reasons unknown to me, the number of people on their legs due to this is absurd. Literally absurd. 

If there are alot of people who are upset about it them maybe it isn't absurd? I mean maybe there is some legitimacy in what people are upset about?

[Majinhoju]

People freaked when a woman was lead role for Star Wars Rogue One.  People freaked when a black man was a main character in The Force Awakens.  Just good ol' pointless internet outrage.

[Syntaxvgm]

3 minutes ago, XenosTech said:

If you read what you quoted properly you'd see the key word there is portrayal 

I disagree with that, but I get how that's being interpreted. if that's what they meant, they should use "re-imagining". Like I said earlier, I'm open for a vaguely "ww2-inspired" game if they call it that. Remove the limitations of reality, it's a game. Don't have to go full wolfenstein to make a fun detachment from reality.

[cj09beira]

1 hour ago, Beer_Nontitju said:

Because of a woman? Are you kidding me?

ever since bf3 came out the core battlefield fans were put to the side to pander to a larger audience of lazy people (think cod), thats why people are mad, they have been destroying the franchise little by little ever since, and things dont seem to be improving, examples: the addition of suppression, the fact that they allow now a medic to carry the best weapons in the game, the adition of self healing after a while, the removal of commanders (and a horible return in bf4), allow support to carry and replenish its own ammo indefinitely which includes morter shells leading to campers, map design with huge choke points in it that lead to a clusterfuck of grenades and bullets, lack of dedicated servers means that the community wont be able to keep the game running after dice decides to close them, lack of option on the available servers means that admins don't have the tools to play the game how they want to leading to less communities being made and less social interaction, 

and there are probably many others that i can't remember right now. in the end the game is becoming much less fun to play.

Ps:

There is merit to not wanting feminism/ sjws touching our games they destroy most of what they touch, and rarely something goods comes from them.

as we seem in the past things like programmer wanted (men may not apply) which is a policy that will affect game quality long term as they aren't choosing from all good programmers.(if  my memory isnt wrong that example happened inside EA (might not have been a programmer))

[Brooksie359]

1 minute ago, Beer_Nontitju said:

 

 

 

 

@Brooksie359 Open your eyes next time

All if them biol down to the reasons I already stated and ones that I said aren't worth it. So don't go calling me out like I haven't seen them. You clearly are not seeing my comments so how about you open your eyes. 

[Agonizel]

1 minute ago, Syntaxvgm said:

No, you completely ignored the copy-paste from the website where they say

This is surreal. I literally quoted out of your text. Here, let me make a depiction for you. 

[Biggerboot]

1 minute ago, Syntaxvgm said:

I disagree with that, but I get how that's being interpreted. if that's what they meant, they should use "re-imagining". Like I said earlier, I'm open for a vaguely "ww2-inspired" game if they call it that. Remove the limitations of reality, it's a game. Don't have to go full wolfenstein to make a fun detachment from reality.

I again feel the grey area-ness of their word choosing is on purpose.  They want the controversy.  

[XenosTech]

1 minute ago, Syntaxvgm said:

I disagree with that, but I get how that's being interpreted. if that's what they meant, they should use "re-imagining". Like I said earlier, I'm open for a vaguely "ww2-inspired" game if they call it that. Remove the limitations of reality, it's a game. Don't have to go full wolfenstein to make a fun detachment from reality.

Disagree all you want but the word means what it means. Nowhere there did they claim it to be an accurate representation of WW2 but they did say a never before seen portrayal of it. 

[orbitalbuzzsaw]

Just now, Biggerboot said:

I again feel the grey area-ness of their word choosing is on purpose.  They want the controversy.  

Why would you want controversy? That gets legacy media on your back which drives down sales.

[Blademaster91]

21 minutes ago, Beer_Nontitju said:

The problem is the reason why they are not liking it.
They say it's because of the "historic inaccuracy", but 
1. Battlefield never pretended (in any game) to be historically accurate
2. There are many other bigger inaccuracies that didn't bother people that much

Which shows that, the outrage may actually be (intended or not) sexism hiding behind the curtain of "historical accuracy"

The last WW2 Battlefield game at least had a bit of historical accuracy, the problem that can be observed for now is that with the steampunk customized look, the COD machinegun spray and a soldier running around with a prosthetic arm, it is hardly a WW2 game at all.

I personally don't care that the character is female, i'm actually excited to see if female characters will have any exclusive perks like agility or better enemy spotting but EA/Dice could have tried and portrayed the female main character role as a Russian soldier.

[Agonizel]

2 minutes ago, cj09beira said:

here is merit to not wanting feminism/ sjws touching our games they destroy most of what they touch

Okay, let me quote my own thread again
 

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Now, don't come with the "but the SJW are ruining blablabla" - they're not, the gameplay remains the same. It's just a woman get over it. EA/Dice put a woman on the cover because they wanted to.

I knew it was coming and it did

[Sauron]

32 minutes ago, Cookybiscuit said:

Having an interest and respect for history = rampant sexism. I hope you didn't have too much difficulty tying your shoe laces this morning.

Having issues with accuracy ONLY WHEN IT'S WOMEN is sexism, it shouldn't be too hard to wrap your mind around that.

[Biggerboot]

Just now, orbitalbuzzsaw said:

Why would you want controversy? That gets legacy media on your back which drives down sales.

It can sometimes work in your favor.  I think they word their stuff really carefully so they can be selective about what bits they want to represent accurately while taking creative liberties.

I'm not going to question their agenda behind it though.  Obviously at the end of the day they want the game to sell.

[Cookybiscuit]

Just now, Sauron said:

Having issues with accuracy ONLY WHEN IT'S WOMEN is sexism, it shouldn't be too hard to wrap your mind around that.

Have you checked the thread title?

[Agonizel]

2 minutes ago, Blademaster91 said:

The last WW2 Battlefield game at least had a bit of historical accuracy

This is true, but I bet there are more people whining about the women right now than people who played 1942

[Syntaxvgm]

Just now, Majinhoju said:

People freaked when a woman was lead role for Star Wars Rogue One.  People freaked when a black man was a main character in The Force Awakens.  Just good ol' pointless internet outrage.

No one freaked out at Rey being female lead for force awakens.
Rouge one was  freak out because that trailer was so fucking bad, Disney tier shit
"It's a rebellion, we rebel"
And thankfully, despite being a mostly forgettable halo reach but star wars movie, they never used that line or half the trailer really

I don't remember freak out about Boyega, I mean to some it felt like shoved in diversity, but all we had before that was like...lando and mace windu? I heard more disappointment from people who thought he'd be the main character.
Honestly, I'd prefer Fin to Rey. He's a bit more interesting. It's not  Daisy Ridley's fault, I just don't think her character was that well written. But it's not bad given the source material. I like her more than luke...I'm not a real SW fan
All said, I think TLJ is a better example of people freaking out. I really don't think it was all that good of a movie, but plenty of reasons that don't involve "sjw' shit. Stuff like that useless entire planet in a movie that's too long already. Or luke. Oh God Luke. I don't even like but but really? But 'sjws muh star wars' is at least 50%, if not more of the freakout there.
It's not like ghostbusters where they were like "all women, cause fuck you" and wrote it horribly and casted some pretty not funny people, then said not liking the idea is sexist. No TLJ was pretty reasonable imo

[Hunter259]

TIL I am a sexist for wanting women where they actually were during WW2. Gameplay is obviously going to be different than actual fighting in WW2. That's where the "It's a game" is perfectly fine. The atmosphere and elements, however, should be as close to real as you possibly can to have that most "immersive game yet". I would have loved to see the Female Russian snipers. They are bad ass. But an amputee British solder? A complete lack of any real uniforms in the trailer? You are going to start losing me. Give us some Finnish vs Russian fighting. That's something we've never seen before and you could have the Female front line soldiers since that actually was a thing in the soviet union. Or just don't use the word WW2 to describe it without saying it's not an alternate reality or something. When you say WW2 to describe people expect something.