Silicon Lottery Announces Ryzen 3000 Bins

[Tedster]

Silicon Lottery has just listed its bins for the AMD's Ryzen Matisse (Ryzen 3000) CPUs.

 

Source:

https://siliconlottery.com/collections/matisse

 

Of note is that the bins are interestingly not too close to what people are reporting max OC'ing after AGESA updates:

Silicon Lottery is topping out at 4.3GHz, while the minority seems to have been getting 4.5GHz overclocked.

Also of note is that the voltages these CPUs were pushed to were not very high - being around 1.25V with 1.3 at the max.

 

The lineup:

 

3700X:

- 4.05GHz

- 4.10GHz

- 4.15GHz

 

3800X:

- 4.2GHz

- 4.25GHz

- 4.3GHz

 

3900X:

- 4.0 GHz

- 4.05 GHz

- 4.1GHz

- 4.15GHz

- 4.2GHz

 

By the time I've posted, almost all of the options have gone.

Edited July 22, 2019 by Tedster
add note of voltages

[Jurrunio]

Dont see the point when they dont list temperature and voltages used to score these frequencies.

 

2 minutes ago, Tedster said:

two cheapest options are already gone.

Of course everyone wants a free 3950x

[Tedster]

1 minute ago, Jurrunio said:

Dont see the point when they dont list temperature and voltages used to score these frequencies.

 

Of course everyone wants a free 3950x

Lolll

 

Yes, they do actually:

 

[Drak3]

But they're supposed to be 5GHz capable parts!!1!!!!!!

 

 

/s

[Jurrunio]

4 minutes ago, Tedster said:

Yes, they do actually:

oh so they do

 

seems like it's still the "either you buy the best bin or just don't" scenario like they do on Coffee Lake refresh. Seriously why would I even come to your site for a Coffee Lake refresh CPU only tested for 5GHz?

[Spotty]

Imagine paying $610 for a Ryzen 3800X

[melete]

Very low vCores here, interesting. I’ve read that 1.325V is fine for an all-core overclock on Zen 2 CPUs. 

[Suika]

1 hour ago, Jurrunio said:

Seriously why would I even come to your site for a Coffee Lake refresh CPU only tested for 5GHz?

...because the overclocked frequencies are guaranteed by Silicon Lottery, rather than purchasing a random CPU and hoping for the best?

 

Also the CPUs are tested for all achievable frequencies with traditional cooling solutions, and SL sells them based on the percentage of chips able to hit that overclocked frequency.

 

Basically pay your way out of the lottery and get the absolute best performance possible for daily operation.

[Brooksie359]

21 minutes ago, Suika said:

...because the overclocked frequencies are guaranteed by Silicon Lottery, rather than purchasing a random CPU and hoping for the best?

 

Also the CPUs are tested for all achievable frequencies with traditional cooling solutions, and SL sells them based on the percentage of chips able to hit that overclocked frequency.

 

Basically pay your way out of the lottery and get the absolute best performance possible for daily operation.

They also delid them which helps with temp so that is also a reason why people would buy Intel cpus from them. 

[Maticks]

A crappy motherboard can also result is a crap overclock, its part silicon lottery but its also up to the board to put up a stable system for the CPU.

I've put a mates crappy 8700k in my board and got a lot of Mhz stable out of it over his crap MSI Motherboard so... Motherboard does make a difference to a point.

[Neftex]

2 hours ago, Tedster said:

Of note is that the bins are interestingly not too close to what people are reporting max OC'ing

people hitting higher frequencies are not stability testing enough

[Jurrunio]

52 minutes ago, Suika said:

...because the overclocked frequencies are guaranteed by Silicon Lottery, rather than purchasing a random CPU and hoping for the best?

 

Also the CPUs are tested for all achievable frequencies with traditional cooling solutions, and SL sells them based on the percentage of chips able to hit that overclocked frequency.

 

Basically pay your way out of the lottery and get the absolute best performance possible for daily operation.

thing is 5GHz is already easy to achieve as long as you dont use bad boards or coolers. dont need binning at that point

 

30 minutes ago, Brooksie359 said:

They also delid them which helps with temp so that is also a reason why people would buy Intel cpus from them. 

delid... soldered CPUs?

[porina]

39 minutes ago, Neftex said:

people hitting higher frequencies are not stability testing enough

Or don't care about stability in every possible scenario. The old voltage wall is still present in a sense. Once you hit it, you need a lot of voltage for modest increases in clock. I guess they picked a lower voltage/clock as balance to offer.

 

28 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

thing is 5GHz is already easy to achieve as long as you dont use bad boards or coolers. dont need binning at that point

Still isn't 100% though.

 

28 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

delid... soldered CPUs?

Think der8auer showed it gave a few degrees improvement still, but it didn't make a difference to possible overclocks (on Ryzen).

[Dabombinable]

1 hour ago, porina said:

Or don't care about stability in every possible scenario. The old voltage wall is still present in a sense. Once you hit it, you need a lot of voltage for modest increases in clock. I guess they picked a lower voltage/clock as balance to offer.

 

Still isn't 100% though.

 

Think der8auer showed it gave a few degrees improvement still, but it didn't make a difference to possible overclocks (on Ryzen).

That delid improvement was with a 9900K if I remember correctly....because the die needed to be lapped a fair bit.

[Guest]

$50 for 0.05Ghz what sort of cocaine are they taking

[mr moose]

5 hours ago, Drak3 said:

But they're supposed to be 5GHz capable parts!!1!!!!!!

 

 

/s

Yep, them cold factual leaks from Adored/wcftech/vidcardz etc.  May as well consult a crystal ball...

 

 

8 minutes ago, floofer said:

$50 for 0.05Ghz what sort of cocaine are they taking

The same cheap drain-o that adored's been on.

[Blademaster91]

Wow, paying $610 for a 3800X. Aren't most capable of 4.2Ghz? I don't see the point in paying almost double as a 3900X is cheaper lol.

[Doobeedoo]

Hm cool and all, though yeah CPUs are still very good out of the retail box in general. Not 5GHz+ chips yet, that'd be amazing, but yeah new gens in time. 

[leadeater]

 

Only wish SL had got this out sooner to save me a bunch of pain.

[leadeater]

3 hours ago, porina said:

Still isn't 100% though.

To quote/paraphrase der8auer: "5Ghz isn't easy on LN2".

[PopReference]

What I'd be more interested in is if single core boosts hit the advertised frequencies plus the percentage and vcore to get that.

But SL is a business and I'm sure they put these out based on what people would buy, not just to settle online arguments, right?

[porina]

4 hours ago, Dabombinable said:

That delid improvement was with a 9900K if I remember correctly....because the die needed to be lapped a fair bit.

 

[Princess Luna]

How are they still in business? I get it go back couple of years when silicon lottery and overclocking were a thing, but nowadays where it's generally a 100mhz maybe at best 200mhz gaps while you're paying twice the CPU MSRP it no longer makes god damn sense.

 

"Oh but rich kids" - just buy a higher end SKU or afford more RGB.

[Anomnomnomaly]

10 hours ago, Tedster said:

Silicon Lottery has just listed its bins for the AMD's Ryzen Matisse (Ryzen 3000) CPUs.

 

Source:

https://siliconlottery.com/collections/matisse

 

Of note is that the bins are interestingly not too close to what people are reporting max OC'ing after AGESA updates:

Silicon Lottery is topping out at 4.3GHz, while the minority seems to have been getting 4.5GHz overclocked.

Also of note is that the voltages these CPUs were pushed to were not very high - being around 1.25V with 1.3 at the max.

 

The lineup:

 

3700X:

- 4.05GHz

- 4.10GHz

- 4.15GHz

 

3800X:

- 4.2GHz

- 4.25GHz

- 4.3GHz

 

3900X:

- 4.0 GHz

- 4.05 GHz

- 4.1GHz

- 4.15GHz

- 4.2GHz

 

By the time I've posted, almost all of the options have gone.

This is hilarious... You get to pay an extra $170 for a 3800X that will give you an extra 75mhz...  Wow!!.. Much value... But it gets even better when you look at the prices for the 3900X  4ghz $469.99, 4.05ghz $499.99 (extra $30 or 50mhz), 4.1Ghz $529.99 ($30 for 50mhz again)... then we get silly again. 4.15Ghz for an extra $50 (%589.99) and a whopping $809.99 for 4.2Ghz an extra $220.

 

Are people REALLY that dumb, that paying that much is a good idea. Base price is $500 and I've not seen one that can't do 4ghz all core in all of the reviews I've seen.  So paying an extra $309.99 for a sure fire 200mhz has to be the definition of moronic.

 

[jdubya421]

6 minutes ago, Anomnomnomaly said:

give you an extra 75hz...  Wow!!..

 

there's a M in there