NVIDIA possibly developing the RTX 3090 Super with a fully unlocked GA102 die

[WhitetailAni]

Summary

Despite NVIDIA's 3090 being one of the most powerful graphics cards available to consumers, they aren't done. NVIDIA is potentially releasing an RTX 3090 Super, featuring a fully unlocked GA102 die, along with the fastest GDDR6X currently available, reaching 21 Gbps (compared to the 19.5 Gbps on the 3090 and 19 Gbps on the 3080 Ti). Said GA102 die will feature 10752 CUDA cores, 336 Tensor cores, 84 RT cores, 336 TMUs, and 112 ROPs, along with at least a 400W TDP.

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NVIDIA's strategy with the alleged RTX 3090 SUPER will be to not only max out the GA102 silicon, with its 10,752 CUDA cores, but also equip it with the fastest possible GDDR6X memory variant, which ticks at 21 Gbps data-rate, compared to 19.5 Gbps on the RTX 3090, and 19 Gbps on the RTX 3080 and RTX 3080 Ti. At this speed, across the chip's 384-bit wide memory bus, the RTX 3090 SUPER will enjoy 1 TB/s of memory bandwidth. Besides more CUDA cores, it's possible that the GPU Boost frequency could be increased. All this comes at a cost, though, with Greymon55 predicting a total graphics power (TGP) of at least 400 W, compared to 350 W of the RTX 3090. A product launch is expected within 2021.

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The NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 will be the first gaming graphics card to feature the full GA102 GPU with a total of 84 SM units that would result in a total of 10752 CUDA cores. This would be a 2.5% increase in core count but the rumor also states that the graphics card will feature a TGP of over 400W. That's 50W more than the existing GeForce RTX 3090 which means that we could be looking at faster clocks on GPU and VRAM.

My thoughts

Hopefully these cards will feature an AIO or hybrid cooler, along with an active backplate. If the 3090's VRAM is already getting way too hot and this VRAM is even faster, the VRAM will throttle if not cooled properly.

We're also definitely getting 4 8-pins on the higher-end models (if not all of them). 3 8-pins can only support 350W, while 4 8-pins can support 500W.

 

Any guesses on MSRP?

Sources

https://www.techpowerup.com/286001/nvidia-readying-geforce-rtx-3090-super-a-fully-unlocked-ga102-with-400w-power

https://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3090-super-rumored-feature-full-ga102-gpu-10752-cuda-cores-over-400w-tgp/

[da na]

It's definitely aimed at enthusiasts, so I'd say $1800+ MSRP. And it does definitely need to be liquid cooled, perhaps even a full coverage block that covers the front and back of the board.

[RAS_3885]

Can you imagine the AIB offerings on that? Gotta imagine at 400W+ TDP the limits of air cooling within the "standard" GPU size has been reached.

 

MSRP... don't even want to think about it! $1.5-1.8k for FE seems about in line, with AIB being $2k+ for higher end offering. Madness.

[WhitetailAni]

7 minutes ago, RAS_3885 said:

Can you imagine the AIB offerings on that? Gotta imagine at 400W+ TDP the limits of air cooling within the "standard" GPU size has been reached.

NVIDIA:
"We saw that Intel beat us for power consumption with the 11900K so we did something about that."

[ShinRamen]

Not too familiar with PCB layouts and interpreting them, so maybe stupid question ahead:

 

could the recently leaked Asus/Noctua 3090 be such a 3090 Super? Thus the beefy cooling?
 

 

[WhitetailAni]

Just now, ShinRamen said:

Not too familiar with PCB layouts and interpreting them, so maybe stupid question ahead:

 

could the recently leaked Asus/Noctua 3090 be such a 3090 Super? This the beefy cooling?
 

 

No, that was a 3070. The pictured card (if it was one, there's debate on that) only had 2 8-pins and all but the FE/reference (they are different) 3090s have 3 8-pins.

[Moonzy]

bruh, staph, i can only buy so many GPUs

[ShinRamen]

4 minutes ago, FakeKGB said:

No, that was a 3070. The pictured card (if it was one, there's debate on that) only had 2 8-pins and all but the FE/reference (they are different) 3090s have 3 8-pins.

Oops, I didn‘t even think about just checking the 8-pins instead of comparing PCBs. Thanks for the reply!

[AnonymousGuy]

Seems like in irrelevant upgrade for gamers that are no where near memory bandwidth limited.

[Icarus_Radio]

Can we see a GPU with four 8-pins on this beast?

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We're also definitely getting 4 8-pins on the higher-end models (if not all of them). 3 8-pins can only support 350W, while 4 8-pins can support 500W.

Also, I don't think this is correct. A single 8-pin by spec can provide up to 150W, that is 450W for triple 8-pins, and the PCIe slot can provide 75W. Add it all together, it's 525W.

[CTR640]

You better not use Gigabyte psu for this lol

 

And will California ban the 3090S?

[TVwazhere]

1 hour ago, RAS_3885 said:

Can you imagine the AIB offerings on that? Gotta imagine at 400W+ TDP the limits of air cooling within the "standard" GPU size has been reached.

The EVGA 3090 SUPER K|NGP|N is gonna be a 20lb block of copper

[Mark Kaine]

Nvidia bringing out a water cooled card? Hahaha

Nvidia  has no issues with 100C+ cards, they'll just throttle the hell out of it and let the customers "deal with it", its called "GPU boost" ironically 

[Brooksie359]

14 hours ago, RAS_3885 said:

Can you imagine the AIB offerings on that? Gotta imagine at 400W+ TDP the limits of air cooling within the "standard" GPU size has been reached.

 

MSRP... don't even want to think about it! $1.5-1.8k for FE seems about in line, with AIB being $2k+ for higher end offering. Madness.

I know several states started banning the sales of high power consumption pcs. I wonder if they will start banning pc components that use up around the same power as a high power pc

[leadeater]

15 hours ago, RAS_3885 said:

Can you imagine the AIB offerings on that? Gotta imagine at 400W+ TDP the limits of air cooling within the "standard" GPU size has been reached.

You can totally air cool a 400W GPU, even 4 or 8 or 16 of them..... just need a few hundred watts of fans and a small scale wind tunnel haha.

 

[Kisai]

14 hours ago, AnonymousGuy said:

Seems like in irrelevant upgrade for gamers that are no where near memory bandwidth limited.

There are use cases, such as ML where it is useful. But your run-of-the-mill desktop will not be able to use such a card (they can't really use 3090's or 3080Ti's either) because the heat generated from a card that takes up 3 slots makes no expansion card's possible other than the GPU. So that might not be a deal breaker to a gamer, but it is for pretty much every use case that requires more than one SSD.

 

A RTX 3060/3060Ti is pretty much the limit of what a typical desktop can reasonably use, let alone be cooled in a off-the-shelf desktop with a mATX design. The only reason desktops have been allowed to get smaller is because they removed the mechanical hard drive bays. But they also removed a significant portion of cooling in the process.

 

It's actually kinda sad in a way. nVidia should be reasonably able to produce a GPU that fits within the cooling confines of a 2-slot card, as many of their previous x80 cards have. The "3 slot" card should have been the 3090 from the start, but I guess they couldn't get the numbers they want and pulled an Intel by clocking things higher from the start, rather than leave that performance on the table for "factory OC" AIB's.

 

Personally, until nVidia releases a model that supports AV1 encode, I can wait. I've written off trying to purchase a 30xx card for some ML projects, as they're not worth it unless the GPU is at retail price, and building a second computer at nearly $4000 newegg bundles is a sick joke on all of us.

[Skiiwee29]

13 minutes ago, leadeater said:

You can totally air cool a 400W GPU, even 4 or 8 or 16 of them..... just need a few hundred watts of fans and a small scale wind tunnel haha.

 

Blowiematrons go... 

 

BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

[Freakwise]

Curious If theres going to be any FE model or this sku is just going to rely on aib for them to think about thermal design for such a card

[leadeater]

35 minutes ago, Freakwise said:

Curious If theres going to be any FE model or this sku is just going to rely on aib for them to think about thermal design for such a card

If this is going to exist then reference PCB only is most likely.

[Rauten]

INB4 4k$+ auctions on eBay

 

Funny thing is, if there's any kind of preorder system for this, it might even make a smidge of sense for people looking for a super high-end graphics card at a price that isn't beyond absurd... ugh.

[leadeater]

3 minutes ago, Rauten said:

INB4 4k$+ auctions on eBay

 

Funny thing is, if there's any kind of preorder system for this, it might even make a smidge of sense for people looking for a super high-end graphics card at a price that isn't beyond absurd... ugh.

As counter intuitive as it sounds but something like this does have the potential to push the entire market prices down so long as the retail side is handled well. If a higher option exists and costs less or even the same then everything below it will slowly trend down in price.

 

Or of course the alternative is just another even more expensive option on the market.

 

Place your bets lol.

[HenrySalayne]

1 hour ago, leadeater said:

As counter intuitive as it sounds but something like this does have the potential to push the entire market prices down so long as the retail side is handled well. If a higher option exists and costs less or even the same then everything below it will slowly trend down in price.

 

Or of course the alternative is just another even more expensive option on the market.

 

Place your bets lol.

I wouldn't expect too much. The 3080 TI didn't change the pricing of the 3080. Besides the MSRP gap actual pricing is only 10% and 15% apart (German market). Sometimes the 3080 TI is even cheaper than the 3080.

 

My guess would be that Nvidia will use new SKUs to "adjust" the MSRP of basically unchanged products to the current market. 3080S will be 999$, 3090S will be most likely $1899 or even a solid $1999. The 3080TI is already adjusted.

And I'm not sure if the power draw will rise to 400 W. I don't think Nvidia wants to design and manufacture a new cooling solution for a 3090S and they will just stick to the current 3090 cooler design.

[Wh0_Am_1]

16 hours ago, TVwazhere said:

The EVGA 3090 SUPER K|NGP|N is gonna be a 20lb block of copper

Just imagine the wattage that thing will pull when OC'ed to an oblivion..... Are we gonna start needing to buy PSUs just for the GPU now?

[leadeater]

2 minutes ago, Wh0_Am_1 said:

Just imagine the wattage that thing will pull when OC'ed to an oblivion..... Are we gonna start needing to buy PSUs just for the GPU now?

Funny because that actually was a thing a long time ago, dual PSUs in gamer PCs. Wasn't because of LN2 either, was triple and quad SLI/Crossfire.

[Wh0_Am_1]

5 minutes ago, leadeater said:

Funny because that actually was a thing a long time ago, dual PSUs in gamer PCs. Wasn't because of LN2 either, was triple and quad SLI/Crossfire.

I forgot about that (I was running a chromebook back when that was a thing) But just imagine a user that wants to play a game on a theater sized screen in VR In their system they run a 10900k OC'ed a 1080ti and this rumored 3090 super (with VR running on the super and the game running on the 3090 super in minecraft or something and the 1080ti the actual game or vice versa) with that you are looking at a 1200 watt PSU. Crazy.