ada lovelace NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4060 and 4060 Ti get first rumored performance claims, fast but also power hungry

[BiG StroOnZ]

Summary

The rumors come from @QbitLeaks, who is supposedly sharing RTX 40 “Lovelace” specs and performance claims over his Twitter. According to the leaker, the RTX 4060 non-Ti gets around 6000 points in 3DMark Time Extreme, and in the same test the RTX 4060 Ti reaches 8600 point score.

 

 

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The RTX 4060 non-Ti is consuming 230 to 240W, while the RTX 4060 Ti is pulling up to 270-280W of power; which is quite a lot for this class. This rumor would follow what other leakers have said, including @kopite7kimi, that supposedly RTX 4060 cards are expected to be 220W+ by design.

 

QbitLeaks also mentions that RTX 4060 Ti boosts up to ~2600MHz while RTX 4060 goes above 2700MHz.

 

The GeForce RTX 4060 Ti is supposedly equipped with AD104-180-A1 GPU and 6144 CUDA cores. This model would feature 10 GB of GDDR6 memory clocked at 17.5 Gbps. The previously listed TGP was 275W. For this class, this is an upgrade to as many cores as RTX 3070 Ti and 2GB more memory.

 

The NVIDIA RTX 4060 non-Ti is getting a different GPU: AD106-300 and much fewer core count: 3968 FP32 units. The RTX 4060 would see reduced memory size to 8GB and 128-bit bus and 17 Gbps memory speed. If this rumor were true, then RTX 4060 would have less memory than current RTX 3060, which is hard to believe.

 

My thoughts

While this leak is being featured by more well-known sources like Videocardz and @harukaze5719, take these claims with a grain of salt as this particular leaker does not have the track record as some others, like @kopite7kimi. With that out of the way, it seems that the RTX 4060 is 47% faster than the RTX 3060. While the RTX 4060 Ti is also about 47% faster than the RTX 3060 Ti. The 4060 is about as fast as a 3070 and the 4060 Ti is about as fast as a 3080. This looks like a sizeable improvement, but man is the power draw getting out of hand. I also think these numbers are interesting because while compared to previous gen the increase in performance looks adequate. But in the not too distant past the x60 series were usually able to match the previous gens x80 series. While here the 4060 is only matching a 3070. Taking a deeper dive, though it seems with Turing to Ampere that holds true; the 3060 matched a 2070 and the 3060 Ti matched a 2080 Super, while being slightly faster than a 2080. These specs and performance numbers will most likely change (as we've seen with the 4070/4080/4090 engineering boards), since this card is not launching until Q1 2023 at the very least. So I look forward to seeing more developments on these particular cards.

 

Sources

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4060-ti-rtx-4060-get-first-rumored-performance-claims

[Somerandomtechyboi]

They can only roid these gpus so much till you actually need to upgrade your house to even run them

 

oh well rip america that may have to upgrade their house to accomodate these gpus, everyone using 240v is fine for now

[Fasauceome]

18 minutes ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

everyone using 240v is fine for now

for now

[FeIIex]

37 minutes ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

oh well rip america that may have to upgrade their house to accomodate these gpus, everyone using 240v is fine for now

The lights in my room start flickering when playing demanding games, solution was to undervolt my 3080 Ti. Looking forward to when I upgrade both my GPU and power outlet!!

[8tg]

Every time a new power hungry gpu is launched I buy another 750ti as a reminder that basic gaming performance could once be had for 75 watts.

[Somerandomtechyboi]

32 minutes ago, FeIIex said:

The lights in my room start flickering when playing demanding games, solution was to undervolt my 3080 Ti. Looking forward to when I upgrade both my GPU and power outlet!!

Damn i only said that as a joke, apparently its already a reality for some xD

 

Well 240v ppl shouldnt have to deal with this for awhile hopefully

[tim0901]

Reminder: CUDA core counts are not comparable between generations. New generations bring newer CUDA cores which are - generally speaking* - individually more powerful than those of the previous generation. More != better when comparing between generations.

 

* Excluding the doubling that occurred a few generations ago due to Nvidia changing the way they count them...

 

To me though this is the interesting chart:

1 hour ago, BiG StroOnZ said:

What this tells me is that the 4060Ti is basically a 3080 10GB. According to this chart they are basically identical in performance and memory layout. The big difference is the 4060Ti uses less, more powerful CUDA cores - probably at a higher clock speed to boot (resulting in the similar TGP) but also note the switch to slightly slower GDDR6 from GDDR6X (which is no longer necessary due to the lower CUDA core count). The 4070 also looks very similar to the 3080Ti, or a 3090 with half the VRAM, both in terms of performanceand memory config.

 

The most interesting part of these SKUs to me is the ~50W TGP reduction - it makes perfect sense why Nvidia is trying to shift their excess 3000 series stock if this is what they're trying to bring to market.

1 hour ago, BiG StroOnZ said:

But in the not too distant past the x60 series were usually able to match the previous gens x80 series

Sorry, got to disagree on this one. Going back even 5/6 generations (which is like, 10-12 years...) the rule was always one step above. So in your example the x60 GPU was more comparable to the previous x70. Examples would be the 660 ~= 570, 670 ~= 760, 770 ~= 960 etc.

 

The 10-series was a big leap forward in both performance and efficiency - it was an insane architecture and yeah, the 1060 6GB was roughtly equal to the 980/980Ti. But that generation was more the exception to the rule, not the rule itself. The 2060 then returned to this rule being somewhere around the 1070/1070Ti mark and the 3060 being similar to the 2070. It's been a long time since the x60 regularly met the performance of the x80 GPU, if it was ever the rule to begin with.

[BiG StroOnZ]

1 hour ago, tim0901 said:

Sorry, got to disagree on this one. Going back even 5/6 generations (which is like, 10-12 years...) the rule was always one step above. So in your example the x60 GPU was more comparable to the previous x70. Examples would be the 660 ~= 570, 670 ~= 760, 770 ~= 960 etc.

 

The 10-series was a big leap forward in both performance and efficiency - it was an insane architecture and yeah, the 1060 6GB was roughtly equal to the 980/980Ti. But that generation was more the exception to the rule, not the rule itself. The 2060 then returned to this rule being somewhere around the 1070/1070Ti mark and the 3060 being similar to the 2070. It's been a long time since the x60 regularly met the performance of the x80 GPU, if it was ever the rule to begin with.

 

There are definitely exceptions to the rule, especially when you're looking at non-reference cards, like for example this 660 compared to a 580 is only 1.9% slower (basically matching the 580 here):

 

 

The 760 was about on par with the 670, but things get more interesting when you look to overclocking:

 

 

Here we see a 760 after overclock matching a 770, and surpassing a 680 by a bit (5.9%).

 

The 960 was about on par with a 680 not quite a 770:

 

 

But after overclock it was able to basically match a 770:

 

 

The 960 also wasn't that good of a card and caught some flack for it (compared to other x60 series cards). The 760 was a good card for it's time though and quite popular.

 

A 2060 was undoubtedly matching a 1080 though:

 

 

So there's definitely some ping pong action going on between generations (and taking non-reference cards or OCs into consideration). But it hasn't been that long since "the x60 met the performance of the x80 GPU". We can go back to Turing to see this was the case, which is only a Gen ago (as Ada hasn't technically launched yet). 

 

I do agree that Pascal (10 series) was a big leap forward in power and efficiency, but there are indeed other gens where the x60 matched the x80. I guess you can say it wasn't necessarily a rule so to speak, but there were certainly instances of it occurring. 

[Fasterthannothing]

23 hours ago, FeIIex said:

The lights in my room start flickering when playing demanding games, solution was to undervolt my 3080 Ti. Looking forward to when I upgrade both my GPU and power outlet!!

Something similar happens to me where my lamp will randomly turn on and off when gaming. The new power requirements in these cards are just stupid now. I don't give a crap if the card can play 8k can someone please just give us good performance that can run the entire PC with full on OC on a 650w PSU (because that used to be the second highest tier people would buy a few would go way overkill and get a 750w if they needed sli and other would use 550w or even a quality 450w PSU) 

 

[starsmine]

It seems like with the death of SLI, that just gave them the power budget to do these kinds of cards. 

If no one is going to put two in a system, why not?

[Rauten]

I've said it a million times, I'll say it again.

This coming generation (and to some degree, in the current one aswell) OC-ing is dead for the average consumer/gamer.

Undervolting is going to be far more important and interesting, and hopefully news outlets will look at that as well.

Sure, "NumBEr gOEs uP BRBRBRBRBRBRRBRBR" is fun and everything, but almost noone is going to drive these cards at OC power draws unless they want to burn money, or their own homes.

 

60 class cards at 230W just sounds disgusting. And hot 

[TVwazhere]

5 hours ago, Rauten said:

60 class cards at 230W just sounds disgusting. And hot 

Especially for anyone doing long sessions of compute work such as folding. Currently I'm just hoping that A; either Power draw can be reduced for minimal performance loss or B, 30 series drop hard in price to upgrade my folding rig. 

[kitnoman]

the 4060 is just basically an overclocked 3060ti. Normally speaking, if the new card is at least one level higher than what it directly replaced, it is kind of acceptable. But it also normally comes with more vram or lower power consumption, cheaper or all three. The 4060, may or may not be priced the same as 3060 msrp, but the problem here is that it's just like a rebranded 3060ti that consume more power. As for the 4060 ti, which could be maximum of 3 tiers up from previous gen and would equal a 3080, it's not bad. Not great but at least not the worst. It still has a lower tdp and if it comes at the price of 3060ti or lower, it's still passable.

But I'll probably skip this, I'll wait for the efficiency-focus Generation. We are currently on performance focus in the cycle in this generation.

[TetraSky]

Looking forward to seeing a $1000 price tag on that 4060 ti.

[Senzelian]

Is this the return of Thermi? 

GTX 400
RTX 4000

 

Oh no... Not again!

[WereCat]

I hope this is wrong because if RTX 4060 matches RTX 3060 ti while using MORE power... its just bad.

[CTR640]

I wonder what this means for RTX4070 and 4080. But from the looks of it, I'll skip this whole gen too.

[Techstorm970]

[AnonymousGuy]

I'm over here not giving a shit.  Y'all acting like your desktop runs on a laptop battery.... wah wah wah 50 extra watts wah wah.

[Kisai]

On 8/27/2022 at 6:07 PM, BiG StroOnZ said:

 

 

My thoughts

While this leak is being featured by more well-known sources like Videocardz and @harukaze5719, take these claims with a grain of salt as this particular leaker does not have the track record as some others, like @kopite7kimi. With that out of the way, it seems that the RTX 4060 is 47% faster than the RTX 3060. While the RTX 4060 Ti is also about 47% faster than the RTX 3060 Ti. The 4060 is about as fast as a 3070 and the 4060 Ti is about as fast as a 3080.

That tracks exactly as expected, new card in the x60 being as powerful as the x70 from the previous gen.

 

 

[starsmine]

2 minutes ago, Kisai said:

That tracks exactly as expected, new card in the x60 being as powerful as the x70 from the previous gen.

 

 

RTX 3070 TDP is 220W though.
so RTX 4060 matching performance for 230W is kinda whack.

Im skeptical on that specific spec honestly, I dont think its entirely accurate. 

[Kisai]

4 minutes ago, starsmine said:

RTX 3070 TDP is 220W though.
so RTX 4060 matching performance for 230W is kinda whack.

Which means they are being designed to "hit" this at any cost.

 

Wouldn't it be funny if they were in the CPU business and creeping the TDP up 10w while yielding no real improvement every generation to justify the upgrade? (about 8% for intel)

 

Nvidia over here is like "hold on, 50% improvement, every generation (just ignore the massive 100w TDP increases)"

 

[BiG StroOnZ]

3 hours ago, Kisai said:

That tracks exactly as expected, new card in the x60 being as powerful as the x70 from the previous gen.

 

Exactly as expected is still up for debate, but nonetheless, according to this rumor it seems to be the case. 

[AlexGoesHigh]

I find more outrageous the 4050ti power, 170w for an entry level card , meanwhile the 1050ti which is what i have is 75w and doesn't even have PCIe power connection, all bus powered, 3 generations later and the entry level card needs a better that entry level power supply...

[porina]

39 minutes ago, AlexGoesHigh said:

I find more outrageous the 4050ti power, 170w for an entry level card , meanwhile the 1050ti which is what i have is 75w and doesn't even have PCIe power connection, all bus powered, 3 generations later and the entry level card needs a better that entry level power supply...

75W performance class is its own niche that's generally been neglected. There's the 1650 but I'm not aware of anything else from red or green since that. I think some of the new Intels might be in that power class. I'd love to see how much perf you can get out with that limit today.

 

Still, I don't see 170W being a problem for entry level dGPU gaming systems. 550W PSU is plenty, even 450W is probably ok but does anyone go that low these days? This is on the assumption that if you're buying a lower end GPU, you're not likely pairing it with an extreme CPU that'll take 200W+ stock like a top end Zen 4.