COVID-19 - READ THE RULES BEFORE REPLYING

[dalekphalm]

Just now, ewitte said:

People only see what they want to see and believe what they are told to believe... Have to open your eyes and your mind.  I've long given up convincing people of what is right in front of them...

Don't give us this non-answer.

 

Be specific. Use specific examples. My eyes are open. Convince me.

[dalekphalm]

1 minute ago, Sinsue said:

I'm working as a teller at my local bank right now, since I am a student. Small town Missouri isn't the best to work in honestly. 

Do you get plexiglass dividers between each teller? It's so selfish of her to not wear a mask when working inside around others. Nobody likes wearing a mask Karen, just put the damn mask on or talk to your bosses about alternative ways to work remotely.

1 minute ago, Sinsue said:

Preventing the spread of a deadly illness isn't a human rights violation. 

Yeah I don't get it - like, sure, if you listen to Alex Jones about the lizard people, I can understand you also believing COVID conspiracies. But for regular people - why?

[GuacInWhereSunDontShine]

1 minute ago, dalekphalm said:

Do you get plexiglass dividers between each teller? It's so selfish of her to not wear a mask when working inside around others. Nobody likes wearing a mask Karen, just put the damn mask on or talk to your bosses about alternative ways to work remotely.

Yes sir, at least our executives have some of a brain and actually enacted plexiglass dividers and forced customers to wear masks in the building. In fact, all of the lobbies are closing and customers can only get services through the drive thru.

 

3 minutes ago, dalekphalm said:

Yeah I don't get it - like, sure, if you listen to Alex Jones about the lizard people, I can understand you also believing COVID conspiracies. But for regular people - why?

I don't get it either, my coworker claims that the virus is smaller than the "holes" (idk what they're called) of regular fabric masks... but the virus is spread through spit droplets though? She also says that the CDC says that regular masks do not work... logically speaking, if regular fabric masks did not work, shouldn't the CDC say that N95 masks are only effective from the virus?

[Donut417]

24 minutes ago, wkdpaul said:

00,000+ cases per day, 1400+ deaths per day ... at 328 millions and an average daily infection of 100,000 people, heard immunity (if it was real and possible), would take 8.9 years, and that would be 4,592,000 million dead (at an average of 1400 per day).

Mother Nature is an effective killer ain’t she? I fear when a worse pandemic hits, how many people are going to be selfish then? 4.5 million is a lot, but 50 to the 100 million died due to Spanish flu. So things could be worse. 
 

The other thing to consider is we will probably have some kind of vaccine but next year, so at least there is that. That will hopefully it down on some of the numbers. 
 

Unfortunately your not going to change most of these peoples minds. They are too far gone (anti maskers and COVID deniers). They went to deep down the rabbit hole. Way past the UFO and Alien abduction people.

[WkdPaul]

27 minutes ago, wkdpaul said:

How are people still ignoring this

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-cases/u-s-reports-more-than-100000-covid-19-cases-for-seventh-day-in-a-row-idUSKBN27R09T?__twitter_impression=true&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=twitter

 

100,000+ cases per day, 1400+ deaths per day ... at 328 millions and an average daily infection of 100,000 people, heard immunity (if it was real and possible), would take 8.9 years, and that would be 4,592,000 million dead (at an average of 1400 per day).

 

How about just wearing a mask ?

 

Current COVID death toll in the US ;

 

240,241

 

We're not even 1 year in. Projecting this to 12 months (lets assume it's started Feburary 2020), so that leaves us 82 days to Feb 2021. If the numbers don't get better, 1400 deaths per day x 82 days = 114,800 ... let's be conservative and say 100,000

 

So 1 year = 340,000 COVID deaths. Some people say it's not worse than the flu or pneumonia. Thing is, we have clear number for those, and had had for years.

 

Flu and pneumonia deaths un the US for 2018 = 59,401

 

Even if ALL pneumonia and flu deaths were counted as COVID deaths, that's still 280,000 (340,000 projected - 59,401) deaths unrelated to flu and pneumonia.

 

Statistically, this isn't looking good, any way they may try to spin it, it's not "just like a flu", and it's not pneumonia deaths that would've happened anyway.

 

Sources ;

https://news.google.com/covid19/map?hl=en-CA&mid=%2Fm%2F09c7w0&gl=CA&ceid=CA%3Aen

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/flu_pneumonia_mortality/flu_pneumonia.htm

[Commodus]

12 minutes ago, ewitte said:

People only see what they want to see and believe what they are told to believe... Have to open your eyes and your mind.  I've long given up convincing people of what is right in front of them...

 

Also the math doesn't lie people just fall for the fear porn tactics on TV...

Ah, one of those kinds of posts. "Don't you see? Don't you seeeeee?" (But of course, no real evidence)

 

Well no, actually, we don't see what you do, because the actual, substantive evidence doesn't agree with you. Masks, social distancing and limits on groups are public safety measures. You wouldn't whine and moan about needing to put on a seatbelt, so why is a mask some horrible form of oppression during a pandemic?

 

I could explain this at length, but I'll focus on the "omg human rights violations" camp's tendency to create a false dichotomy in COVID-19 cases where you recover perfectly if you don't die. That's not how the virus works. If you suffer more than mild symptoms, you might have long-lasting or even permanent lung, heart and neurological damage. I'm not particularly worried that I or my loved ones will die from COVID-19; I'm worried they'll lose so much lung capacity they'll wheeze just walking to their cars.

 

Besides, there's a certain basic amount of human compassion needed here. These are real people, not numbers. Yeah, the death rate isn't as catastrophic as it was early on, but it's still true that more vigilant safety measures could have saved tens of thousands of lives in the US alone, and that maintaining vigilance is necessary if we want to save many more lives until there's a widely distributed vaccine. Imagine if someone told you that you had to sacrifice a parent so people could go to the movies without a mask on; how do you think you'd take it? Not very well, I'm sure, but the anti-mask, anti-science camp asks that question every day.

[Nine Tailed Fox]

This thing is like Plauge Inc. just make it as infectious and resistant as possible boom done easy game lol

[ewitte]

2 hours ago, Commodus said:

Ah, one of those kinds of posts. "Don't you see? Don't you seeeeee?" (But of course, no real evidence)

 

Well no, actually, we don't see what you do, because the actual, substantive evidence doesn't agree with you. Masks, social distancing and limits on groups are public safety measures. You wouldn't whine and moan about needing to put on a seatbelt, so why is a mask some horrible form of oppression during a pandemic?

 

I could explain this at length, but I'll focus on the "omg human rights violations" camp's tendency to create a false dichotomy in COVID-19 cases where you recover perfectly if you don't die. That's not how the virus works. If you suffer more than mild symptoms, you might have long-lasting or even permanent lung, heart and neurological damage. I'm not particularly worried that I or my loved ones will die from COVID-19; I'm worried they'll lose so much lung capacity they'll wheeze just walking to their cars.

 

Besides, there's a certain basic amount of human compassion needed here. These are real people, not numbers. Yeah, the death rate isn't as catastrophic as it was early on, but it's still true that more vigilant safety measures could have saved tens of thousands of lives in the US alone, and that maintaining vigilance is necessary if we want to save many more lives until there's a widely distributed vaccine. Imagine if someone told you that you had to sacrifice a parent so people could go to the movies without a mask on; how do you think you'd take it? Not very well, I'm sure, but the anti-mask, anti-science camp asks that question every day.

I'll go ahead and state my point but I'm really done arguing with people and doing research for them when they tend to believe whatever they believe regardless of what is presented to them.  Plus idiots like Alex Jones peppering tiny amounts of evidence and making it look ridiculous to detract...  Wall of text that is going to be largely ignored.

 

1) I've spent nearly 20 years learning, improving my health through nutrition, strengthening my immune system, etc.  The absolute last thing you want to do is shield yourself from any and all germs.  Your doing far worse damage than your preventing.  The second you come in contact with something your body isn't going to be as efficiently able to cope.  You have not drastically increased your chances of a severe reaction to pretty much EVERYTHING...

 

2) Over a decade of learning what is going on in the background.  NOT "conspiracy" things that are right there in your face right in the open. For what wasn't as obvious there have been FAR more than coincidence.  I could have easily told you about plans similar to COVID 5-8 years ago (and lots of people DID) and it would have 1000% got brushed off as "conspiracy".  You didn't hear the warnings about COVID why would you listen now?

 

3) Look at the math NOT on the number of infections but the number of severe reactions.  Look at things like CDC and world health numbers the news is doing everything in their power to get people scared.  The number of severe reactions was miniscule at the beginning of March and greatly trending downward ever since as more people catch it.  Fact is everyone is going to get this the more you avoid it the longer its going to take to get rid of the disease.

 

4) More disaster caused by trying to prevent the preventable than the virus itself.  Suicides (first hand experience), broken heart syndrome, people not getting proper medical attention not to mention families that will live with the economic disaster for decades or even become homeless. 

 

As for asking what "discrimination".  I've lived it if you don't see it its because  your not paying attention. I had an irate idiot follow me through the store as I ignored them.  They threw a tantrum and started throwing my groceries all over the place.  Who do you think was the one that got in trouble?  It wasn't me.  I'm also very polite versus a lot of people if you look uncomfortable I actively avoid you, curbside if possible, the person above was 20ft away when they started chasing me down...

 

EDIT: This is just interesting information to those paying attention.  Look up Luciferase.  Interesting naming coincidence?  Its an enzyme used to power implanted RFID.    Its being used for things such as pushes for COVIPASS which is a digital passport that IS being pushed to verify people don't have COVID.

 

COVI-PASS information and link https://www.quanta.im/covi-pass/

 

 

 

 

[WkdPaul]

1 hour ago, ewitte said:

I'll go ahead and state my point but I'm really done arguing with people and doing research for them when they tend to believe whatever they believe regardless of what is presented to them.

You didn't present anything but opinions, as such I'm not sure what you're expecting, people aren't going to take opinions as facts.

 

 

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Wall of text that is going to be largely ignored.

If we're going to discuss, I doubt that I and others will ignore you

 

 

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1) I've spent nearly 20 years learning, improving my health through nutrition, strengthening my immune system, etc.  The absolute last thing you want to do is shield yourself from any and all germs.  Your doing far worse damage than your preventing.  The second you come in contact with something your body isn't going to be as efficiently able to cope.  You have not drastically increased your chances of a severe reaction to pretty much EVERYTHING...

Good for you, but that's you, and it's not something that's good for everyone. Also, COVID is similar to other coronaviruses as far as immunity goes, it's possible that's it's only temporary and not permanent (more cases of reinfections are popping up, but it's rare for now so the science on this is not clear. source ; https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/covid19-reinfection-immunity-1.5760223).

 

By the way, I agree that over-sterilization isn't a good thing in general, though, that doesn't mean you should expose yourself to potentially deadly diseases.

 

 

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2) Over a decade of learning what is going on in the background.  NOT "conspiracy" things that are right there in your face right in the open. For what wasn't as obvious there have been FAR more than coincidence.  I could have easily told you about plans similar to COVID 5-8 years ago (and lots of people DID) and it would have 1000% got brushed off as "conspiracy".  You didn't hear the warnings about COVID why would you listen now?

True, scientists have been warning about this for a while, since after SARS in 2003 actually.

Source from 2005 ;https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/preparing-for-a-pandemic-2005-11/

 

In the USA, there was even a panel formed called the "Directorate of Global Health Security and Biodefense" that was to look at pandemic and how to react and prepare after the Ebola, that panel was disbanded in 2018. Politicians not listening to science and warnings isn't new (global warming anyone?), not sure what this has anything to do with the mask / no-mask debate though ... But yeah, there were signs and warnings, the people in charge didn't listen and we're paying the price. But seeing what's happening in the US, looks like even actual hundred of thousands of deaths isn't enough.

 

 

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3) Look at the math NOT on the number of infections but the number of severe reactions.  Look at things like CDC and world health numbers the news is doing everything in their power to get people scared.  The number of severe reactions was miniscule at the beginning of March and greatly trending downward ever since as more people catch it.  Fact is everyone is going to get this the more you avoid it the longer its going to take to get rid of the disease.

I'm looking at New-Zealand, or even the Eastern province in Canada, and that's not the case, we don't need to all get it to get over this.

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source for NZ ; https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus

source for Eastern Canada ; https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-the-atlantic-bubble-has-largely-succeeded-in-keeping-out-covid-1/

 

 

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4) More disaster caused by trying to prevent the preventable than the virus itself.  Suicides (first hand experience), broken heart syndrome, people not getting proper medical attention not to mention families that will live with the economic disaster for decades or even become homeless. 

Wearing a mask, social distancing and other forms of preventions would help shorten the measures that cause these issues. It's honestly ironic to complain about lockdown measures because of the hardship that it brings, when the ones complaining are not following them, and in doing so are causing the lockdowns to be longer than needed.

 

I've personally suffered, as I'm sure a lot of others have, but I don't blame the lockdown or government measures, I blame the people not following the rules and making this situation last longer than it should.

 

 

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As for asking what "discrimination".  I've lived it if you don't see it its because  your not paying attention. I had an irate idiot follow me through the store as I ignored them.  They threw a tantrum and started throwing my groceries all over the place.  Who do you think was the one that got in trouble?  It wasn't me.  I'm also very polite versus a lot of people if you look uncomfortable I actively avoid you, curbside if possible, the person above was 20ft away when they started chasing me down...

That's not human rights violations, that harassment. There's a difference. The person was wrong, but if the store has a mask-on policy, you're also in the wrong if you were not wearing one (EDIT : not saying the person was right to harass and attack you because you didn't wear a mask BTW, just saying you're objectively wrong not to wear a mask IF the store had such a policy, if not, you can disregard).

 

 

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EDIT: This is just interesting information to those paying attention.  Look up Luciferase.  Interesting naming coincidence?  Its an enzyme used to power implanted RFID.    Its being used for things such as pushes for COVIPASS which is a digital passport that IS being pushed to verify people don't have COVID.

 

COVI-PASS information and link https://www.quanta.im/covi-pass/

That's straight up conspiracy theories. RFID and that enzyme have nothing to do with each other, if you have proof of the contrary, I'm all too happy to take a look, but for now, it's Alex Jones type of nonsense.

Edited November 11, 2020 by wkdpaul

[Parideboy]

5 hours ago, Sinsue said:

I have a coworker who refuses to wear her mask, and she makes a big deal about it when I ask her to put it on. It's just selfishness at this point, it's beyond ridiculous. 

Can't HR do something about it?

[Letgomyleghoe]

On 10/24/2020 at 2:29 PM, dalekphalm said:

"problematic people" (aka: people who don't want to wear a mask).

ive just started asking them twice then if they dont get out i call the cops, ive been called a communist, navi, sheep following a dictator, etc. idfc if you cant wear a mask for thirty seconds to make your order, you can leave

[dalekphalm]

8 minutes ago, Letgomyleghoe said:

ive just started asking them twice then if they dont get out i call the cops, ive been called a communist, navi, sheep following a dictator, etc. idfc if you cant wear a mask for thirty seconds to make your order, you can leave

I'm reassured in humanity by people like yourself. Rest assured that enforcing masks does not make you a "commie", nor a sheep.

[spartaman64]

elon just need to shut the fuck up. 243,000 americans died from covid and hes still trying to pedal conspiracy theories. it is always known that the rapid tests are not 100% reliable

[Donut417]

1 hour ago, spartaman64 said:

elon just need to shut the fuck up. 243,000 americans died from covid and hes still trying to pedal conspiracy theories. it is always known that the rapid tests are not 100% reliable

He pointed out some issues we have with testing. False negatives and false positives are an issue. Sounds like the testing they are using needs to be replaced. Because this just inflates numbers and gives the CDC less accurate numbers to go by. 

[spartaman64]

6 minutes ago, Donut417 said:

He pointed out some issues we have with testing. False negatives and false positives are an issue. Sounds like the testing they are using needs to be replaced. Because this just inflates numbers and gives the CDC less accurate numbers to go by. 

except its most likely false negatives hes getting because the test isnt as sensitive 

[WkdPaul]

3 minutes ago, Donut417 said:

He pointed out some issues we have with testing. False negatives and false positives are an issue. Sounds like the testing they are using needs to be replaced. Because this just inflates numbers and gives the CDC less accurate numbers to go by. 

Rapid tests shouldn't be used by themselves, they should be used in conjunction with "regular" nasal swab test.

 

Tweets aren't the best way to talk about this because of the limited nature of it. Not sure why he needed to be tested 4 times in a day, thing is, he normally should've been tested with the swab test and should've indicated that (IMO).

[dalekphalm]

43 minutes ago, spartaman64 said:

elon just need to shut the fuck up. 243,000 americans died from covid and hes still trying to pedal conspiracy theories. it is always known that the rapid tests are not 100% reliable

Yeah back in March he claimed there would be zero new cases by April - he was on the Joe Rogan podcast and was spewing some nonsense there too.

 

Look, Musk IS a genius. Period. He's one of the smartest individuals currently alive. But that doesn't make him an expert in all fields, and he definitely seems to be in over his head here.

 

Also, he used the rapid anti-gen test, which is considered significantly less accurate (particularly if his viral load is relatively small and he has mild symptoms) than the PCR test, which he's waiting for results on.

 

It's a shame, I like the guy most of time. But sometimes he takes "foot in mouth" to a whole 'nother level.

[dalekphalm]

10 minutes ago, Donut417 said:

He pointed out some issues we have with testing. False negatives and false positives are an issue. Sounds like the testing they are using needs to be replaced. Because this just inflates numbers and gives the CDC less accurate numbers to go by. 

As noted, he did 4 rapid anti-gen tests, which are known to be inaccurate. I also don't believe the CDC records anti-gen tests as a "positive case", because the CDC recommends you follow up an anti-gen test with a PCR test.

[dalekphalm]

3 minutes ago, wkdpaul said:

Rapid tests shouldn't be used by themselves, they should be used in conjunction with "regular" nasal swab test.

 

Tweets aren't the best way to talk about this because of the limited nature of it. Not sure why he needed to be tested 4 times in a day, thing is, he normally should've been tested with the swab test and should've indicated that (IMO).

My guess is he got a positive result the first time and didn't believe it, and kept testing himself to try and "prove" he was actually not infected with COVID.

 

He did get the PCR test but is still waiting on test results. Rather than keep his mouth shut until the PCR results get in, he's doing what he does.

[spartaman64]

6 minutes ago, dalekphalm said:

My guess is he got a positive result the first time and didn't believe it, and kept testing himself to try and "prove" he was actually not infected with COVID.

 

He did get the PCR test but is still waiting on test results. Rather than keep his mouth shut until the PCR results get in, he's doing what he does.

and what's the betting that hes not going to social distance and just go around like he normally does spreading it to everyone

[WkdPaul]

@dalekphalm

 

Yeah, I agree with the above "he's a genius but.."

 

I like what he's trying to do with electric cars, electrical grid and self sufficiency, and space exploration, but that's it. His antics and him pushing conspiracy about COVID is why I stopped following him. Seems like he can't apply his genius outside of his business ideas.

[dalekphalm]

1 minute ago, spartaman64 said:

and what's the betting that hes not going to social distance and just go around like he normally does spreading it to everyone

I don't know - hopefully he's been under quarantine this entire time while awaiting the PCR test results.

Just now, wkdpaul said:

@dalekphalm

 

Yeah, I agree with the above "he's a genius but.."

 

I like what he's trying to do with electric cars, electrical grid and self sufficiency, and space exploration, but that's it. His antics and him pushing conspiracy about COVID is why I stopped following him. Seems like he can't apply his genius outside of his business ideas.

Yeah I never really followed him via social media. I get my Musk filled by people like Tim Dodd (The Everyday Astronaut) - who really heavily cover the SpaceX and Tesla side of Musk.

 

His personal non-SpaceX/Tesla tweets are almost always some BS or another.

[Devilish]

God I hate elon lol but I'm not gonna go into that because thats a 100 page essay I don't have time for.

 

Also, am I the only one who likes wearing a mask? Like I could wear this for as long as I need too, I think its comfy.

Washington is slowly but looking like its going to have to be shut down again, if it has to I say we should go for it.

[WkdPaul]

1 minute ago, Devilish said:

God I hate elon lol but I'm not gonna go into that because thats a 100 page essay I don't have time for.

Yeah, I get it, love the business he started, just can't stand his non-sense (couldn't watch the whole JR interview).

 

1 minute ago, Devilish said:

Also, am I the only one who likes wearing a mask? Like I could wear this for as long as I need too, I think its comfy.

Washington is slowly but looking like its going to have to be shut down again, if it has to I say we should go for it.

You're the only one, yes.

 

I HATE fucking masks, I wear glasses and unless I have an actual respirator (like this ; https://www.homedepot.com/p/3M-Medium-Paint-Project-Respirator-Mask-6211PA1-A/100653900) I ALWAYS get some sort of fog in my lenses and can't see shit, especially now with colder temps, it makes the glasses fog easily.

 

I have yet found a face mask that doesn't leak air from the top.

[Devilish]

5 minutes ago, wkdpaul said:

Yeah, I get it, love the business he started, just can't stand his non-sense (couldn't watch the whole JR interview).

 

You're the only one, yes.

 

I HATE fucking masks, I wear glasses and unless I have an actual respirator (like this ; https://www.homedepot.com/p/3M-Medium-Paint-Project-Respirator-Mask-6211PA1-A/100653900) I ALWAYS get some sort of fog in my lenses and can't see shit, especially now with colder temps, it makes the glasses fog easily.

 

I have yet found a face mask that doesn't leak air from the top.

Ive seen some glasses friendly masks that have a sort of bridge on the nose have you tried those? I don't wear glasses so I'm not gonna be much help sorry :C