COVID-19 - READ THE RULES BEFORE REPLYING

[Donut417]

2 hours ago, Vishera said:

Just don't let them to get back to jobs and schools until they are vaccinated.

Public schools can mandate vaccines, but there are easy ways to get your kids exempt. Employers outside the healthcare industry can’t do shit. 

[ARikozuM]

4 hours ago, Vishera said:

Just don't let them to get back to jobs and schools until they are vaccinated.

Vaccines have eliminated or nearly eliminated a large number of diseases,despite the existence of "anti vaxers".

Polio is a good example for it.

I don't think everyone should be vaccinated. We should vaccinate only the medically needy, i.e. seniors in retirement homes and medical personnel such as ICU doctors and EMS. 

 

Students should be getting a quick test every month and quarantining for a week until another negative test is administered. 

 

I still don't trust the vaccine trials done in the US given the fast-tracks and profit motive of the companies. 

[Vishera]

Just now, ARikozuM said:

I don't think everyone should be vaccinated. We should vaccinate only the medically needy, i.e. seniors in retirement homes and medical personnel such as ICU doctors and EMS. 

Even a perfectly healthy person can die from it,

Everyone should be vaccinated period,human lives are not a game and no risks should be taken.

3 minutes ago, ARikozuM said:

Students should be getting a quick test every month and quarantining for a week until another negative test is administered. 

It's very ineffective,especially with the incubation period of the virus at play.

 

4 minutes ago, ARikozuM said:

I still don't trust the vaccine trials done in the US given the fast-tracks and profit motive of the companies. 

We will see how it goes,but don't forget that there are other countries with more strict rules in the matter.

[Parideboy]

13 hours ago, ARikozuM said:

I don't think everyone should be vaccinated. We should vaccinate only the medically needy, i.e. seniors in retirement homes and medical personnel such as ICU doctors and EMS. 

I agree, at least in the beginning. Eventually everyone should be vaccinated tho

[dalekphalm]

16 hours ago, ARikozuM said:

I don't think everyone should be vaccinated. We should vaccinate only the medically needy, i.e. seniors in retirement homes and medical personnel such as ICU doctors and EMS. 

Hard disagree here - Yes, those people should be the first to be vaccinated, but eventually the vast majority of the population should be vaccinated.

16 hours ago, ARikozuM said:

Students should be getting a quick test every month and quarantining for a week until another negative test is administered. 

That's all well and good (and should be happening already, but it's not) as a short term solution, but cannot be used as a permanent solution.

16 hours ago, ARikozuM said:

I still don't trust the vaccine trials done in the US given the fast-tracks and profit motive of the companies. 

You're thinking too small. Plenty of vaccine trials were done outside of the US. Additionally, at least one (possibly more) of the vaccine manufacturers has already pledged to sell the vaccine at-cost, so that should at least help alleviate the profit motive.

 

Countries like Canada aren't just going to take the US's word for it that the vaccine is "fine". We will be demanding peer reviewed research before any approvals are made.

16 hours ago, Vishera said:

Even a perfectly healthy person can die from it,

Exactly - there are people who have died while being young and seemingly healthy. And even those that survive often have to battle for months and months with long term complications - some of those people will live with these complications for the rest of their lives.

16 hours ago, Vishera said:

Everyone should be vaccinated period,human lives are not a game and no risks should be taken.

Caveat here - some people legitimately cannot get vaccinated due to medical issues. Though this group is statistically tiny - a small fraction of a percent of the population.

16 hours ago, Vishera said:

It's very ineffective,especially with the incubation period of the virus at play.

Yes, the virus spreads too quickly, and symptoms are not readily apparent until potentially days or more than a week after you've started spreading it around.

16 hours ago, Vishera said:

We will see how it goes,but don't forget that there are other countries with more strict rules in the matter.

Exactly this. Countries like the UK, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Germany, etc are not going to just blindly approve a vaccine just because the Americans did.

 

With that in mind, now that President-Elect Biden has been given transitional powers (finally), he will have some say in the matter of ensuring that any vaccine approvals are above board.

3 hours ago, Parideboy said:

I agree, at least in the beginning. Eventually everyone should be vaccinated tho

That's how it'll have to be regardless - vaccines will be in very short supply initially, so each country will have to ration them and decide somehow how to distribute them.

[PhantomJaguarr]

Here we used to get 200 to 300 Covid cases a day. Now it’s 1,500 a day.

 

But I’ve noticed that people are buying smaller portions for Thanksgiving. Meaning some are actually adhering to the CDC’s advice not to travel this year for turkey day.

[Blade of Grass]

On 11/24/2020 at 9:54 AM, dalekphalm said:

With that in mind, now that President-Elect Biden has been given transitional powers (finally), he will have some say in the matter of ensuring that any vaccine approvals are above board.

Just to note, none of the fast-tracking that was done should in anyway effect the scientific study of the safety and effectiveness of the vaccines, it just allowed the viruses to jump the lines to get approved by the FDA (essentially, they read their reports/studied their data immediately after receiving instead of it queueing) and allowed them to run concurrent trials (but any issues would still set them back to preliminary stages).

[SpaceGhostC2C]

13 minutes ago, Blade of Grass said:

 it just allowed the viruses to jump the lines to get approved by the FDA

I knew it! Plandemic all along!

 

[dalekphalm]

49 minutes ago, Blade of Grass said:

Just to note, none of the fast-tracking that was done should in anyway effect the scientific study of the safety and effectiveness of the vaccines, it just allowed the viruses to jump the lines to get approved by the FDA (essentially, they read their reports/studied their data immediately after receiving instead of it queueing) and allowed them to run concurrent trials (but any issues would still set them back to preliminary stages).

Be that as it may, you can understand now non-Americans are at least somewhat concerned about the FDA's processes, given the political climate.

 

With that in mind, the peer reviewed science will be critical here. Personally I don't believe in any of the conspiracies that say the vaccines are dangerous or rushed unnecessarily. While Pharma companies are for profit, they're also very long term focused companies. A drug or vaccine may take a decade to pay for itself. It's not in their best interests to kill off a bunch of potential customers. Nor is it in their best interest to ruin their own reputation by putting a vaccine out that is dangerous.

[Commodus]

1 minute ago, Neysh said:

I hope everything will be alright soon.

Only when vaccines are widely distributed and adopted. You may not see waves as big as we've seen without a vaccine (viruses tend to peter out as they evolve into milder forms and people develop resistance), but a timely return to something normal-ish requires an artificial boost.

[captain_to_fire]

Hands looking like prunes because it’s cold and I have to wash my hands often. 
 

That’s why you don’t need to buy the more expensive antibacterial soaps to wash away the coronavirus. They tend to be harsher and they cause more problems.

[WkdPaul]

5 hours ago, like_ooh_ahh said:

Hands looking like prunes because it’s cold and I have to wash my hands often. 
 

That’s why you don’t need to buy the more expensive antibacterial soaps to wash away the coronavirus. They tend to be harsher and they cause more problems.

 

I have skin issues, it's always worse in winter. Thankfully, I already had cream that I prefer (some cream leave your skin oily, I hate that). Was already using cream because of the regular hand washing, so it's not too bad now that cold / winter is here.

[BlueChinchillaEatingDorito]

The actor for Darth Vader in the original Star Wars Trilogy is the latest big name lost to Covid-19.

Source: https://vancouversun.com/entertainment/movies/darth-vader-actor-david-prowse-died-of-covid-19/wcm/2683288c-5db1-4560-bb06-8aaa6ca338b5?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR048pIr1YGHQBikCjf9MfWevuTNQRsMT2S2ocv2S-wbB8xjBPZSbyNDics#Echobox=1606760471

 

Edit: Oh no... another big name, 7-time F1 World Champion Lewis Hamilton has been diagnosed with COVID-19. Mercedes-AMG Petronas confirms he will not partake in the Sakhir GP. His replacement driving alongside Bottas has yet to be announced. 

https://www.instagram.com/p/CIPyB2uBQ7q/

 

[piratemonkey]

Sorry if everyone's talking about vaccines but, https://linustechtips.com/profile/685825-piratemonkey/?status=283374&type=status

 

Tldr vaccines (namely Pfizer's) are getting approved, and Britain could start using them as soon as the 7th of this month. Still not a huge amount of info afaik for Canada tho

[Nowak]

I hope these vaccines are actually safe and we don't see people start dropping like flies after doses start getting administered.

[SpaceGhostC2C]

On 11/30/2020 at 5:33 AM, like_ooh_ahh said:

Hands looking like prunes because it’s cold and I have to wash my hands often. 

 

On 11/30/2020 at 11:05 AM, wkdpaul said:

 

I have skin issues, it's always worse in winter. 

 

I think I once had skin.

 

 

 

(getting older, being careless around knives and tools, and playing bass turned my hands into hobbit feet )

[Commodus]

21 hours ago, Nowak said:

I hope these vaccines are actually safe and we don't see people start dropping like flies after doses start getting administered.

They're fine. The clinical trials from the past several months were designed precisely to check for possible adverse reactions. If anything bad happened, it would very likely be mild or manifest itself quickly (within days of taking a dose). We know how vaccines work, including the new mRNA variety the UK will start using next week.

[Lii]

1 hour ago, Commodus said:

They're fine. The clinical trials from the past several months were designed precisely to check for possible adverse reactions. If anything bad happened, it would very likely be mild or manifest itself quickly (within days of taking a dose). We know how vaccines work, including the new mRNA variety the UK will start using next week.

but how do they even plan to use them?

or are they safe and do work even on people that are already infected?

 

or they will just do things as they go, just like they did and they are still doing?

[WkdPaul]

1 minute ago, Lii said:

but how do they even plan to use them?

by vaccinating people ... like other vaccines ?

 

1 minute ago, Lii said:

or are they safe and do work even on people that are already infected?

People already infected likely won't get vaccinated, it's a vaccine, not a cure.

 

1 minute ago, Lii said:

or they will just do things as they go, just like they did and they are still doing?

???

[Lii]

Just now, wkdpaul said:

by vaccinating people ... like other vaccines ?

 

People already infected likely won't get vaccinated, it's a vaccine, not a cure.

yeah but the problem is that we don't really know what is the extension of infected people, nor we do really know who is infected and who's not, besides those who are showing syntoms or got properly tested 

 

by consequences how are they are going to plan to vaccinate people?

they will just vaccinate everyone without futher checking or what?

Just now, wkdpaul said:

 

 

[WkdPaul]

5 minutes ago, Lii said:

by consequences how are they are going to plan to vaccinate people?

they will just vaccinate everyone without futher checking or what?

I suggest looking up your country's plan, I don't know about elsewhere, but here in Canada it's going to be the elderly and caretakers/health professionals first, then there's going to be a general population vaccination drive.

 

Not sure why we would need to retest everyone for the vaccine?

[BlueChinchillaEatingDorito]

8 minutes ago, wkdpaul said:

Not sure why we would need to retest everyone for the vaccine?

I guess if people are afraid of reinfection as that was a problem early on. Where people who seemingly recovered got reinfected weeks or months later. 

[Lii]

12 minutes ago, wkdpaul said:

I suggest looking up your country's plan, I don't know about elsewhere, but here in Canada it's going to be the elderly and caretakers/health professionals first, then there's going to be a general population vaccination drive.

 

Not sure why we would need to retest everyone for the vaccine?

dunno it depends on the vaccine, some can be safely used on the infected, some others cannot

also if you don't take precautions you could potentially agevolate the shedding of it

 

by consequences, if you don't know who is infected and who's not, you cannot just vaccinate everyone without precautions

 

unless they don't have in mind to just vaccinate everyone, and who cares about some complications, just like most of the states did (and are) act

[Nowak]

I bring that up because quite a few of the vaccines' data followed patients for just a month after the second dose. Everything after that is more or less an unknown.

 

Anyway, here in the States each state has its own vaccination plan. Massachusetts is doing so in 3 phases. Phase 1 is prioritizing healthcare workers and people considered high risk first, followed by... the same populations but in a bigger network and distribution area for Phase 2, and then all 6.9 million nice people will be eligible for vaccination at the end of Phase 3.

[WkdPaul]

1 minute ago, BlueChinchillaEatingDorito said:

I guess if people are afraid of reinfection as that was a problem early on. Where people who seemingly recovered got reinfected weeks or months later. 

It was more about getting vaccinated while infected.

 

2 minutes ago, Lii said:

dunno it depends on the vaccine, some can be safely used on the infected, some others cannot

also if you don't take precautions you could potentially agevolate the shedding of it

 

by consequences, if you don't know who is infected and who's not, you cannot just vaccinate everyone without precautions

Yes, but we don't have the information on this one though, so if you're worried, you can always get tested and then get your vaccination if it's negative.

 

But as @BlueChinchillaEatingDorito mentioned, reinfection is a thing, and it's very likely that we'll need a yearly shot, just like the flu.