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[Lii]

Italy: the government implement some restrictions (basically a curfew, for a month or so, to try limiting contacts)

Idiots: go to manifest inspired by some populist words of some bot on Facebook or other social networks

 

 

[Parideboy]

27 minutes ago, Lii said:

Italy: the government implement some restrictions (basically a curfew, for a month or so, to try limiting contacts)

Idiots: go to manifest inspired by some populist words of some bot on Facebook or other social networks

Unfortunately those aren't bots. There is a group of braindead people that think that way.

[Lii]

38 minutes ago, Parideboy said:

Unfortunately those aren't bots. There is a group of braindead people that think that way.

Yeah there are also tons of braindeads

But for what I've seen there are also many bots accounts

I guess that they are there only to exploit the situation (as always..)

 

 

[3 Lions]

37 minutes ago, Parideboy said:

Unfortunately those aren't bots. There is a group of braindead people that think that way.

'Braindead' in what way? 

[Parideboy]

34 minutes ago, 3 Lions said:

'Braindead' in what way? 

They think that those restrictions some political move of sorts, aimed to reduce our freedom. Things like that.

Entrepreneurs that own clubs, bars, pubs are blaming the government for this situation.

They don't understand this is one of many ways to try to reduce the spread of the virus...

[WkdPaul]

Just now, Benji said:

Given the fact that their existence is massively threatened by it, they don't want to understand that as it opens the possibility for them to be homeless. And that is the issue. The whole economy is going to shit with these constant lockdowns and there needs to be a way with which it stays open safely.

Yup, our province went back into lock down a month ago, and lots of business owners are freaking out, restaurants are still technically somewhat safe since they can do takeouts and deliveries, but hotels, gyms, museums, etc... are completely closed and most are now 6 months away from bankruptcy. No business can stay closed for almost a year and still be expected to be profitable (most corporate rents were not suspended or subsidized like apartments or houses).

 

Most of the corporate financial help from our government was through no-interest loans, and apparently, some of these couldn't be used to pay rent or insurance (sorry, I don't have a source, this was from a radio interview I heard this morning).

 

The next few years aren't going to be fun (/s in case it wasn't obvious), all government are spending more than they had, business and spending from the population have slowed to a crawl, so lots of spending, not much income (taxes).

[Parideboy]

48 minutes ago, Benji said:

Given the fact that their existence is massively threatened by it, they don't need to understand that as it opens the possibility for them to become homeless. Everybody understands it, so "not understanding" is not the problem. And that is the issue. The whole economy is going to shit with these constant lockdowns and there needs to be a way with which it stays open safely.

I agree. the problem is finding that middle ground. In Italy, businesses were given the chance to stay open by respecting basic social distancing guidelines and they didn't. On the contrary, many businesses were finding loopholes to stay open even when they couldn't, in most cases without respecting social distancing or masks policies.

 

Lockdowns are the last resort to stop the virus from spreading, and I agree, they should not be the norm. They're not good, but in some instances, it's a necessary evil. Even businesses that followed the rules to the letter get hit and unfortunately, there's no way around it.

 

Governments don't want the economy going to shreds as much as we do. Those measures were taken because there was no other way.
BTW, some other arguably bad decisions were made, I don't agree with everything that the government has done, but that's another story.

 

Again, I'm referring to my local situation, around the world things are probably going differently.

 

PS: the curfew is restricted to night hours mostly, based on region cases. This was done to limit nightlife, which in our case has been proven to be the cause of the rise of positives. You can go out if you have a valid reason (work, emergencies, etc).

[Orange1]

How can you be protected in a restaurant/bar when the patrons dont have to wear a mask.

 

I have not been on a bus let alone a train since March 15, for the simple reason of confined space and people to close.

[dalekphalm]

Just now, Orange1 said:

How can you be protected in a restaurant/bar when the patrons dont have to wear a mask.

 

I have not been on a bus let alone a train since March 15, for the simple reason of confined space and people to close.

If the restaurant is doing things properly, you're seated far enough away from the next closest table to be outside of the 6ft range of water droplets (there's still a small risk due to small amounts of droplets being aerosolized though).

 

So the patron puts their mask on as they enter the establishment, and leaves it on until they're seated. If they're polite, they will put the mask on to speak to the wait staff as well.

[Orange1]

6 feet is not far enough IMHO

 

I have seen on the news some bars have a plexi glass divider on the bar itself, again not enough for my liking. That is why I am not going to those places. They need to stay in business and the economy needs to keep moving but I will find other measures and have changed my daily routine. The most I've done is go to Mr Sub because there is no sit down, just take out which is great.

[PhantomJaguarr]

My governor released semi-strict rules for the upcoming Thanksgiving holiday that a lot aren't happy with. Yeah, but for the most part CA is avoiding the surge of Covid cases around the U.S. I wonder why. 

Quote

 Many people in California have voiced their opinions on Governor Newsom’s Thanksgiving gathering guidelines, with many saying the state has gone too far

The state is telling people to gather with no more than three households present and that Thanksgiving dinner must be held outside.

 

“The recommendations are right on the money for what we are looking for, for infection control,” said Erin Bromage, a professor of immunology and infectious diseases at the University of Massachusetts. Bromage said outdoor gatherings are 20 to 30 times safer than indoor.

 

https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2020/10/26/california-thanksgiving-gathering-guidelines/

[dalekphalm]

1 hour ago, Orange1 said:

6 feet is not far enough IMHO

It depends on a lot of variables.

 

In studies, it was shown that for a normal person, speaking at a normal volume, or exhaling normally, most water droplets would hit the ground within 6 feet.

 

However, laughing, singing, shouting/yelling, and coughing all caused droplets to travel much farther.

 

Deep breathing (as is typical for exercise) would often cause aerosolized water droplets that would hang in the air for potentially a few hours.

 

I've been to a few restaurants since COVID started, and usually we've been seated well away from anyone else. Honestly, malls are the worst right now. We went into a candle store (Bath and Body Works) and even though the number of customers were within health guidelines, there were all these bottlenecks that made social distancing literally impossible. Plus some people were taking their masks off to smell the scented candles, which means that if they are infected, they just contaminated that candle plus everything around them.

 

We left fairly quickly, as I wasn't very trusting of the situation.

1 hour ago, Orange1 said:

I have seen on the news some bars have a plexi glass divider on the bar itself, again not enough for my liking. That is why I am not going to those places. They need to stay in business and the economy needs to keep moving but I will find other measures and have changed my daily routine. The most I've done is go to Mr Sub because there is no sit down, just take out which is great.

Depending on the size of the barrier, it can be an effective measure.

[Orange1]

1 hour ago, dalekphalm said:

speaking at a normal volume

I dont really care about normal volume, its amount of time, its distance away, its a sneeze, its a say it dont spray it, its even a cough. Many factors, best not to do frivelous things like go to a bar or restaurant every day. Don't eat out all the time. Minimize the factors its really that simple, younger people its a different story for them.

 

The bar plexi aint anything special, all I've seen is maybe 3' above bar. Its not like establishments are willing to spend 8x that cost for a 12' plexi glass from floor. I did see some clear bubble tents for patio's on the news the other day, thats an interesting concept, not so good with the wait staff delivering food and drink. Using the zipper on every interaction, breathing in the contained air of a 8'x8'x8' room, again space is the key, and air flow. Makes me wonder how they will heat those tents for higher capacities in the winter time.             

[Donut417]

9 hours ago, Benji said:

The whole economy is going to shit with these constant lockdowns and there needs to be a way with which it stays open safely.

Oh people in you're part of the world are following the lock downs? My employer declared themselves essential, we were only off 2 days during the Michigan lockdown before we were called back to work. There we shit loads of people at the stores during this whole thing. No one cared. But thats partly why we have so many people who have died in the US, because No one cared. 

 

Now that the Michigan Supreme court decided to over turn our governors orders. Companies can now open. But the state keeps extending Unemployment Insurance benefits. Now no one wants to go back to work. We have so many jobs that are open currently its mind boggling. I think they just extended unemployment another 26 weeks. What are these people going to do when they are told they have to go back? 

[Orange1]

1 hour ago, Donut417 said:

What are these people going to do when they are told they have to go back? 

Only after their free money runs out will they be willing to work.

[Donut417]

1 minute ago, Orange1 said:

Only after their free money runs out will they be willing to work.

The governor keeps extending the benefits. Its hard to say when the money will run out. What pisses me off is that all of us "essential workers" got jack shit. For a few months those on unemployment were getting about $600 extra on top of what the benefits were. So essential some people cleaned up, as they were making more than they would if they worked. 

[Orange1]

Yup, why risk getting the virus when you can just stay safe at home and collect pogey. Then you wouldn't have to worry about spending money on day care and a baby sitter, spending hours in traffic, more time with family and staying safe. Employers cleaned up to with PPP, paycheck protection monies. Might as well do what you can and see what they get away with.

[Mister Woof]

Tangent -

 

I'm a gun toting hot blooded American - 

 

I'm also staying home, social distancing, wearing a mask, and doing my part to stop the spread.

 

Not sure why a lot of people think a mask is some kind of emasculating behavior.

[kaiju_wars]

9 hours ago, Mister Woof said:

Tangent -

 

I'm a gun toting hot blooded American - 

 

I'm also staying home, social distancing, wearing a mask, and doing my part to stop the spread.

 

Not sure why a lot of people think a mask is some kind of emasculating behavior.

"ITs MinD COnTroL"

Seriously, I have a coworker that swears masks don't work.  She would keep pushing all that "plandemic" and "hoax" and "masks equal sharia law" until she saw an HR complaint was very possible when I politely told her, "Please shut the fuck up.  I just lost two people very close to me within a week of each other due to this pandemic."

 

[Mister Woof]

2 hours ago, kaiju_wars said:

"ITs MinD COnTroL"

Seriously, I have a coworker that swears masks don't work.  She would keep pushing all that "plandemic" and "hoax" and "masks equal sharia law" until she saw an HR complaint was very possible when I politely told her, "Please shut the fuck up.  I just lost two people very close to me within a week of each other due to this pandemic."

 

It's funny because it would seem the primary issue is this idea of "freedom and liberty."

Liberty entails the responsible use of freedom under the rule of law without depriving anyone else of their freedom.

 

Their basic philosophy itself runs contrary to their behavior. Them refusing to wear masks in private businesses is infringing on the business' right to require masks on their property. Them refusing to wear a mask in public deprives others' freedom to not be injured by others.

 

Nobody's taking away anything from anyone here. It's just asking people to give a shit about their neighbors.

 

I'm very sorry for your loss. I hope we get this under control and people start caring about their communities.

[kaiju_wars]

44 minutes ago, Mister Woof said:

It's funny because it would seem the primary issue is this idea of "freedom and liberty."

Liberty entails the responsible use of freedom under the rule of law without depriving anyone else of their freedom.

 

Their basic philosophy itself runs contrary to their behavior. Them refusing to wear masks in private businesses is infringing on the business' right to require masks on their property. Them refusing to wear a mask in public deprives others' freedom to not be injured by others.

 

Nobody's taking away anything from anyone here. It's just asking people to give a shit about their neighbors.

 

I'm very sorry for your loss. I hope we get this under control and people start caring about their communities.

Honestly, wearing masks should be seen as a patriotic duty, and without delving too deep into politics, is a position I'm glad Biden took up.  Because it is.  You're only helping your country and fellow countrymen by wearing your mask.  Which is what patriotism should be about.  Like JFK said, "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country."

It's also extremely hypocritical of them and how they act. Businesses can't want people to wear masks, but they definitely can refuse to make normal people a cake.  

[Orange1]

3 hours ago, Mister Woof said:

It's funny because it would seem the primary issue is this idea of "freedom and liberty."

Not to sure about that, I'd say its more to do with Ego and you can't tell me what to do. Plus there are more and more people, a staggering amount of people actually that believe in conspiracy theories, its just the way it is today with the digital age. Some people of society just cant think indepentedly or have critical thinking, you can thank the digital age for that, internet, games, news, fake news, facebook is a big problem to but the list goes on.

[Lii]

Lol this guy

Translation: a little girl that cries to want to go to school? Her mother gives to her plutonium milk

[Orange1]

3 hours ago, Orange1 said:

Some people of society just cant think

That statement is so true.

[Parideboy]

4 hours ago, Lii said:

Lol this guy

Translation: a little girl that cries to want to go to school? Her mother gives to her plutonium milk

I love him