Threadripper 2 Retails for $1835?

[ravenshrike]

2 hours ago, Dan Castellaneta said:

Netburst would've worked had its future made sense. But well, it didn't, and rather than shooting for the stars it shot its foot instead.

FTFY.

[leadeater]

1 minute ago, AluminiumTech said:

Threadripper2 has Up To 32 real cores

Nah according to my math it'll only have 1 real core, 32 / 8 / 4 = 1

[leadeater]

Just now, valdyrgramr said:

Is this the old debate where Intel get to dictate what a core is?

More like accidentally catching a fish without realizing you threw out bait, then just running with it 

[AlTech]

Just now, leadeater said:

Nah according to my math it'll only have 1 real core, 32 / 8 / 4 = 1

You can put the /joke at the end of the post. Others might not think you're joking.

 

In case you're not joking, your math is incorrect as every core in Ryzen and Threadripper acts like a real core.

2 minutes ago, valdyrgramr said:

Is this the old debate where Intel get to dictate what a core is?

There is nothing to debate with Ryzen and Threadripper, they both use real cores.

 

1 minute ago, leadeater said:

More like accidentally catching a fish without realizing you threw out bait, then just running with it 

?

Bulldozer and some other old AMD architectures used cores which performed about twice as slowly as real Intel cores.

[leadeater]

25 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

In case you're not joking

 

Explaining jokes totally doesn't ruin them does it...

[Brooksie359]

2 hours ago, Humbug said:

Good price for a 32 core CPU.

 

What is the market for this product? 

Maybe people running servers with lots of VMs?

People who want lots of cores. I mean it would be fun to have to say the least. 

[schwellmo92]

9 minutes ago, leadeater said:

 

Explaining jokes totally doesn't ruin them does it...

Some people have as few brain cells as your “real cores” calculation result.

[ShortyfromLV]

The i9 series is in trouble, i guess. 

[schwellmo92]

1 hour ago, valdyrgramr said:

I still find it funny people argue over what a core is then acting like Intel gets to dictate that.  Just because AMD and Intel disagree on what a core is doesn't mean 1 or the other gets to set it in stone.

As much as I am an AMD fan boy, not even I would try say that they were true cores. AMD was even sued because consumers considered their definition of a core misleading. There are processor manufacturers other than Intel and AMD and I’m sure they would be on the “not proper cores” bandwagon.

[LukaH]

32c/64t for ~1800$ seems reasonable to me, can't wait for the launch. Not that I have the need for that many cores just looking forward to reviews.

[Okjoek]

I can't wait for the 12 core mainstream Zen 2 CPU. That's gonna be pretty badass. Or maybe some 6-8 core APUs? The laptop market could definitely use that.

[Sauron]

The pricing seems quite fair considering their previous 16 core part, on virtually the same architecture, was about 1000$. Remember, Intel wants 1700$ for their 18 core chip... AMD isn't a charity, they can't halve prices for the same hardware every few months. In fact, it's very affordable by comparison with similar chips on the Intel side and even on the EPYC front.

 

As for the 2xxx series being a refresh, what did you expect? Their 7nm silicon wasn't ready yet and a refresh (which still performs measurably better than its predecessor) is better than nothing. Wait for next year if you want to see a leap, they're likely to release at least a 12 core on the desktop platform with their new 7nm transistors.

[descendency]

7 hours ago, Humbug said:

Good price for a 32 core CPU.

 

What is the market for this product? 

Maybe people running servers with lots of VMs?

That product already exists in EPYC and Xeon server chips. 

 

As high core count CPUs entered the server markets (thanks to Intel, primarily - yes, I'm aware of 'magny cours' Opertons, but recently...), the high core count really didn't propagate down to the HEDT/workstation market. Do 'prosumers' need 32 cores? I guess we'll find out. 

[Crab Puncher]

9 hours ago, Dan Castellaneta said:

If this drops for $1799, hell, if it drops for $1999, it's going to be THE SHIT when it comes to things like video encoding and video rendering.

Usually AMD cpus go on ridiculous sales

[Princess Luna]

Just now, descendency said:

Do 'prosumers' need 32 cores? I guess we'll find out. 

We all know 99% of the people in here and pretty damn much the same % of people in the market in general does not need 32 cores for a workstation.

 

It is far too much even if you mega-task and use good multi-threaded applications, this is for extremely specific software/user case, even if you have the money to burn it won't make sense as lets pick both Adobe Premiere and Vegas the 2 most used video editing software in the world right now... both can hardware accelerate using the iGPU now so technically the upcoming i9 9900K 8c/16t with Intel HD 730 graphics will outperform (or at least match) this 32 cores behemoth in this content creation software.

 

The i7 8700K already is matching the current 16 cores 1950X making the extra expanses for video editing needless:

 

The impact when hardware acceleration using iGPU is enable right now ^

 

So yeah as usual lots of people acting like core count is all there is to it, acting like Intel is doomed and can't compete to it... shrugs talk about AMD orientated Forum.

[Doobeedoo]

Really amazing, just thinking how much we've come in core count lately and with price along though, insane. 

[Jito463]

6 hours ago, AluminiumTech said:

You can put the /joke at the end of the post. Others might not think you're joking.

I'd say that claiming a 16-core processor only has 2 cores pretty much explains the joke on its own.

[dizmo]

8 hours ago, Bananasplit_00 said:

that i can then procede to strap to some I7 or something  dont think i can really return to air after having gone to water now tho

Bahaha. I picture you using tons of thermal pads so that the larger base plate clears all the chips around the socket

Don't worry. I'll supply the zip ties to hold everything down.

 

I've had an AIO in a couple systems, but...I don't see the huge advantage over air. Plus an air cooler is easier to install and I'm lazy

[Crunchy Dragon]

12 hours ago, dizmo said:

Personally I hope we see some even more massive TR4 specific air coolers. Something that requires wire supports of some sort.

There is at least one TR4 specific cooler, from Noctua IIRC.

Although a size buff wouldn't be half bad.

[dizmo]

1 minute ago, Crunchy Dragon said:

There is at least one TR4 specific cooler, from Noctua IIRC.

Although a size buff wouldn't be half bad.

Yeah, I think they're the only ones? They make a couple different variants.

I want to see a massive one with more finnnnns! Though, admittedly, I'm not sure if the motherboard could support the extra weight.

[Crunchy Dragon]

2 minutes ago, dizmo said:

Yeah, I think they're the only ones? They make a couple different variants.

I want to see a massive one with more finnnnns! Though, admittedly, I'm not sure if the motherboard could support the extra weight.

Hence the bit about extra wire supports, I'm guessing?

 

I'm thinking like a bracket that could mount on a 120mm fan mount in the top or back of the case to provide the necessary support for the heatsink.

[Coaxialgamer]

12 hours ago, GoldenLag said:

People were expecting a bit lower price, but 1800$ for a 32 core CPU is a steal.

 

The only question how much IPC loss when two dies are in "leach" mode

I mean realistically people who are buying 32 core processors probably don't care much about IPC, but it is an interesting question. 

[GoldenLag]

4 minutes ago, Coaxialgamer said:

I mean realistically people who are buying 32 core processors probably don't care much about IPC, but it is an interesting question. 

Its more about memmory latency and so fourth. It can hurt some workloads quite a bit.

[dizmo]

1 hour ago, Crunchy Dragon said:

Hence the bit about extra wire supports, I'm guessing?

 

I'm thinking like a bracket that could mount on a 120mm fan mount in the top or back of the case to provide the necessary support for the heatsink.

Haha, yeah. I suppose you could get something that mounted off of the fan itself, just with longer screws. Sort of like those GPU supports that extend from the PCIe case slots.

Though the chance of someone screwing it up and complaining probably means such a thing will never exist.

[Ithanul]

5 hours ago, Princess Cadence said:

We all know 99% of the people in here and pretty damn much the same % of people in the market in general does not need 32 cores for a workstation.

 

It is far too much even if you mega-task and use good multi-threaded applications, this is for extremely specific software/user case, even if you have the money to burn it won't make sense as lets pick both Adobe Premiere and Vegas the 2 most used video editing software in the world right now... both can hardware accelerate using the iGPU now so technically the upcoming i9 9900K 8c/16t with Intel HD 730 graphics will outperform (or at least match) this 32 cores behemoth in this content creation software.

 

The i7 8700K already is matching the current 16 cores 1950X making the extra expanses for video editing needless:

The impact when hardware acceleration using iGPU is enable right now ^

 

So yeah as usual lots of people acting like core count is all there is to it, acting like Intel is doomed and can't compete to it... shrugs talk about AMD orientated Forum.

Agree, I have two TRs, and I don't even fully load them out.  The biggest issue I have come across is when users who want to use ESXi.  This tends to be be hit and miss on the TR platform based upon the motherboard in use (got lucky when I bought an used ASUS Prime X399-A as that will play ball with ESXi).  Hopefully the TR2s and the new motherboards will get better support with that type of software.