So apparently, the Intel/Radeon marriage is a thing that's happening

[SpaceGhostC2C]

He could start his own crypto-mining hardware company.

[Taf the Ghost]

37 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

At this point the only logical answer I've had is because Apple wants it for Macs and I'm struggling to believe that's true.

 

Nvidias laptop sales are exclusively that weird form factor that's full desktop but smaller so yeah, I suppose you've got a point. Vega can hold up against the 1050s & 1060s but then you gotta ask if it's worth cannibalising Intel's entire iGPU lineup just to spite Nvidia in the mid range laptop market?

The more basic issue is there is a need for a lot more GPU power in a bunch of low-power spaces that Intel can't provide due to GPU Patents. AMD & Nvidia control that market almost completely. So,what is Intel to do? They will likely make more money, and open up further space in Mobile/Low-power, by this deal with AMD. Those 1060 through 1080 GPU modules for laptops are running in the 150-400 USD range to the OEM. That's a market Intel would like to keep Nvidia shoved away from. Even if that market is also fairly new.

 

Other this is that it prevents Apple from going too far away from Intel for the near future. Apple is bringing almost all production in-house over the next decade, which probably should worry AMD more than Intel, but it's a product that Apple has a use for it. I also expect it to show up in a bunch of 2-in-1s, along with Intel's NUC line. (Those NUCs are a lot more popular than people think.)

[GDRRiley]

On 11/6/2017 at 10:50 AM, Abyssal Radon said:

Awesome, but have to wait for benchmarks... final performance numbers is going to matter. AMD time to step up your shitty ass video card drivers.

both sides have equal drivers based on my experience with a mixture of older and new cards from both teams. 

(were talking from 9800gtx-970 on one side and hd5750s and an even older one on a laptop.)

Edited November 8, 2017 by GDRRiley

[S w a t s o n]

I very much doubt Raja was "fired" for Vega. AMD has been having trouble keeping vega in stock due to crypto's increase in demand, and vega looks to be a success on the low/mobile to mid end. It was a disappointment for enthusiasts who wanted to see AMD compete at the highest levels with Nvidia but AMD seems to be printing money right now either way.

[Master Disaster]

6 minutes ago, Taf the Ghost said:

The more basic issue is there is a need for a lot more GPU power in a bunch of low-power spaces that Intel can't provide due to GPU Patents. AMD & Nvidia control that market almost completely. So,what is Intel to do? They will likely make more money, and open up further space in Mobile/Low-power, by this deal with AMD. Those 1060 through 1080 GPU modules for laptops are running in the 150-400 USD range to the OEM. That's a market Intel would like to keep Nvidia shoved away from. Even if that market is also fairly new.

 

Other this is that it prevents Apple from going too far away from Intel for the near future. Apple is bringing almost all production in-house over the next decade, which probably should worry AMD more than Intel, but it's a product that Apple has a use for it. I also expect it to show up in a bunch of 2-in-1s, along with Intel's NUC line. (Those NUCs are a lot more popular than people think.)

OK that's a very eloquent explanation that makes sense, sort of. I still don't see why Intel cares about Nvidias share of laptop GPUs but I see your overall point. Intel wants in to the game and the only way to get in is with a competitor. Fair enough.

 

As for the Apple discussion, there's been rumors of Apple switching consumer Macs over to ARM for a while now and hackers found the beginnings of ARM specific code in macOS back when Sierra launched.

 

I think Apple will have a more powerful variant of its iPhone SoC (like Tegra Vs Tegra X) in all its consumer products quite soon anyway. It's kills so many birds for them, in house control over hardware, iOS and macOS inter compatibility and it kills the hackintosh scene dead.

 

Sure the Mac Pros will always need desktop CPUs but iMacs could easily be converted to ARM without to much hassle.

[Agosto]

1 hour ago, ARikozuM said:

I've been thinking about this quite a bit... What if Raja goes to the Blue Team? It would be crazy seeing Intel dGPU's alongside Nvidia and AMD. 3D Xpoint could be a good choice for a high-bandwidth GPU as it offers lower latency. Intel could properly thread their graphics driver for their CPU's like Vega and Ryzen from AMD. 

3D Xpoint is slower than RAM

[Taf the Ghost]

13 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

OK that's a very eloquent explanation that makes sense, sort of. I still don't see why Intel cares about Nvidias share of laptop GPUs but I see your overall point. Intel wants in to the game and the only way to get in is with a competitor. Fair enough.

 

As for the Apple discussion, there's been rumors of Apple switching consumer Macs over to ARM for a while now and hackers found the beginnings of ARM specific code in macOS back when Sierra launched.

 

I think Apple will have a more powerful variant of its iPhone SoC (like Tegra Vs Tegra X) in all its consumer products quite soon anyway. It's kills so many birds for them, in house control over hardware, iOS and macOS inter compatibility and it kills the hackintosh scene dead.

 

Sure the Mac Pros will always need desktop CPUs but iMacs could easily be converted to ARM without to much hassle.

High-end Compute has shifted over to banks of GPUs. That's part of why Nvidia is making so much money suddenly. Nvidia & Intel compete in a bunch of end-user & consumer-product spaces now. (See the stuff going on with Tesla and Autonomous Driving.) So Intel has an important value in keeping Nvidia out of as many spaces as possible.  This move brings on new products Apple can sell, along with the "light gaming laptop" market, and higher margins for Intel. It's also a good first product to roll EMIB out on for Intel. (Smaller production line, higher margin. Good place to roll out new tech.)

 

As for Apple, it's going to be a couple of years. ARM-based desktops are still pretty far away, and that's going to take them years to get enough of a code base to run a full desktop on. They're headed there, definitely, but that's more of a 2022 range, as Apple is just now starting to build out a full Graphics group. This is going to be a long process for Apple, but they may get to the point of doing everything except fabrication by the time they're done.

[TahoeDust]

 

 

https://wccftech.com/exclusive-raja-koduri-will-seeking-new-horizons-intel/

 

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It would appear that Intel is gunning against NVIDIA in more ways than one. Raja Koduri was essential in the development of Vega and his experience as an engineer could prove to be critical for Intel’s recent ventures. Intel recently signed a deal with AMD to house their dedicated Radeon GPUs inside their KBL-G lineup which means synergy with its x86 rival is at an all time high. While Intel will profit from the sales of the full processor, AMD will profit from the deal as well, as it will get a piece of the pie. The only looser in this equation becomes NVIDIA.

 

So a few days ago it is announced that AMD agreed Intel using onboard Radeon graphics and now Raja announces he will be going to work for Intel.  What is AMD doing?

 

gg

[Memories4K]

HAHAHAHAHAHA

VEGA.

[mr moose]

I'm not too sure whats more questionable, what Intel hopes to achieve or the wccftech article itself?

[8uhbbhu8]

Whoa! Wonder if this will be as part of the Intel/AMD combine or permanent

[PCGuy_5960]

5 minutes ago, Memories4K said:

HAHAHAHAHAHA

VEGA.

[potoooooooo]

Lol i'm surprised it took this long for them to grab him up

[mr moose]

2 minutes ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

I can't help but wonder if Somnum Industries has had any calls in the last year regarding GPU's.

[Memories4K]

2 minutes ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

I remember when Raja took a short sabbatical after VEGA's disappointing release, and on WAN show Linus thought we were all conspiracy theorists lmao

[TahoeDust]

IDK what AMD is doing right now.  Giving up some of their best IP and talent to their competition.  

[mr moose]

1 minute ago, Memories4K said:

I remember when Raja took a short sabbatical after VEGA's disappointing release, and on WAN show Linus thought we were all conspiracy theorists lmao

In all honesty, things turning out to be right and the predictor being inherently knowledgeable and not just guessing based on surface observation, are two different things.

[loculus]

2 hours ago, Swatson said:

I very much doubt Raja was "fired" for Vega. AMD has been having trouble keeping vega in stock due to crypto's increase in demand, and vega looks to be a success on the low/mobile to mid end. It was a disappointment for enthusiasts who wanted to see AMD compete at the highest levels with Nvidia but AMD seems to be printing money right now either way.

What Vega low/mobile to mid end? Do you mean Polaris, am I forgetting something big, or do you have info or speculation about future parts?

[ravenshrike]

What's interesting is that they did the same thing with Keller. So it's probable this has nothing to do with Vega's performance on release at all and was the plan all along. Wonder if they're doing this to get access to EMIB.

[The Benjamins]

2 minutes ago, ravenshrike said:

What's interesting is that they did the same thing with Keller. So it's probable this has nothing to do with Vega's performance on release at all and was the plan all along. Wonder if they're doing this to get access to EMIB.

Keller jumps around to different companies to work on top notch CPU projects, I don't think Raja does the same.

[AnonymousGuy]

4 minutes ago, Abyssal Radon said:

Interesting, I have had nothing but head aches from AMD's graphics drivers. So I made a vowel to myself to never buy one of their GPU's again... 

Yup.  Try Crossfire and watch how even the windows desktop glitches out.  Ditched 5850's for 680's and never left team NV.

[VagabondWraith]

26 minutes ago, TahoeDust said:

IDK what AMD is doing right now.  Giving up some of their best IP and talent to their competition.  

RTG will soon belong to Intel. AMD will be a CPU only company. Which is good, because Intel will actually challenge NVidia. How cool would it be to have an Intel branded dGPU in your rig?

[TheUzu]

 

52 minutes ago, Memories4K said:

HAHAHAHAHAHA

VEGA.

Vega 56 is better than the GTX 1070 though........ and cheaper.

[Paparachipupopep]

14 minutes ago, VagabondWraith said:

RTG will soon belong to Intel. AMD will be a CPU only company. Which is good, because Intel will actually challenge NVidia. How cool would it be to have an Intel branded dGPU in your rig?

I do hope AMD is forced to sell the assets of RTG so that a competent company can take their IP and actually do something with it. All the people who keep saying you should buy RTG GPUs to spite Nvidia should really be telling people to boycott RTG and force RTG to go under. Once Intel, Samsung, or whoever picks up the IP, then Nvidia might get real competition again.

[Master Disaster]

4 minutes ago, S.Stephenson said:

 

Vega 56 is better than the GTX 1070 though........ and cheaper.

And hotter and draws 2x the power and relies on AMD drivers....

 

I promise I'm not an AMD hater, I recommend Ryzen a lot but Vega is just a bad product.