So apparently, the Intel/Radeon marriage is a thing that's happening

[TheGleaner]

Intel making a GPU? who could afford it?

[TahoeDust]

6 hours ago, TahoeDust said:

 

 

https://wccftech.com/exclusive-raja-koduri-will-seeking-new-horizons-intel/

 

 

So a few days ago it is announced that AMD agreed Intel using onboard Radeon graphics and now Raja announces he will be going to work for Intel.  What is AMD doing?

 

gg

Why was my thread that began with this post merged into the thread.  Raja Koduri moving to intel really has nothing to do with this?...

[Hackentosher]

Oh i've been tagged, @ARikozuM TLDR of the thread?

[ARikozuM]

Just now, Hackentosher said:

Oh i've been tagged, @ARikozuM TLDR of the thread?

Raja has joined Intel's graphics division; we're excited. 

[zberry7]

4 minutes ago, Hackentosher said:

Oh i've been tagged, @ARikozuM TLDR of the thread?

Intel is going to start making discrete GPUs also. Sounds like they will making both compute and consumer graphics cards

 

edit: @Hackentosher seriously no joke lol

[Hackentosher]

Just now, zberry7 said:

Intel is going to start making discrete GPUs also. 

lol there's no way they would do that. I don't think they have any reason to. Their CPU division is already super strong, they just suck ass at integrated graphics. I bet that's what Raj is there to do. Also, I'm sure Raj signed a 1.4 gazillion year NDA with AMD to protect their IP... soooo Raj can share his knowledge, but not AMD's tips, not even for a minute.

[zberry7]

1 minute ago, Hackentosher said:

lol there's no way they would do that. I don't think they have any reason to. Their CPU division is already super strong, they just suck ass at integrated graphics. I bet that's what Raj is there to do. Also, I'm sure Raj signed a 1.4 gazillion year NDA with AMD to protect their IP... soooo Raj can share his knowledge, but not AMD's tips, not even for a minute.

https://newsroom.intel.com/news-releases/raja-koduri-joins-intel/

 

They officially announced they are making discrete graphics cards

[Hackentosher]

Just now, zberry7 said:

https://newsroom.intel.com/news-releases/raja-koduri-joins-intel/

dude, i found that article. check my status updates  

 

that being said I didn't really read it because ain't nobody got time.

[Hackentosher]

Just now, CUDA_Cores said:

Maybe it is but it's buried 

I'm sure it does, AMD isn't that stupid, right?

[zberry7]

5 minutes ago, Hackentosher said:

dude, i found that article. check my status updates  

 

that being said I didn't really read it because ain't nobody got time.

Here’s all you need to know  

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Koduri will expand Intel’s leading position in integrated graphics for the PC market with high-end discrete graphics solutions for a broad range of computing segments.

 

What a time to be alive

[Hackentosher]

1 minute ago, zberry7 said:

Here’s all you need to know  

 

Interesting. I guess we'll see how this plays out over the next 5 years.

 

also this: 

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With Raja at the helm of our Core and Visual Computing Group, we will add to our portfolio of unmatched capabilities, advance our strategy to lead in computing and graphics, and ultimately be the driving force of the data revolution.”

Sooo it sounds like they want to make graphics cards if they want to "lead in graphics." However, knowing what Intel usually focuses on, the cards they produce will probably be more for data computation, so like a GV 100 competitor, not the GTX-1080ti killer. That being said, it would be great to get another player in the game on the gaming market because AMD has yet again been caught with their dicks in their hands with Vega.

[Taf the Ghost]

3 minutes ago, Hackentosher said:

I'm sure it does, AMD isn't that stupid, right?

Maybe a limited one from the time when they brought him over? The IP is under NDA, for certain, but maybe his contract to come over was really sweet, given the time frame it happened. He's listed as a Senior VP and "Chief Architect" of a new division.

 

Though the "high-end, discrete" GPU stuff just means compute cards against Nvidia. That's the area that Team Green has cut into Intel's sales. The deal with AMD solves most of their consumer GPU issues.

[GOTSpectrum]

37 minutes ago, zberry7 said:

Really don’t think all of these should have been merged, the Raja news and the Intel/AMD APU are separate topics

Very much agree, the news are separate topics, can they be.. unmerged? 

[Taf the Ghost]

3 minutes ago, Hackentosher said:

Sooo it sounds like they want to make graphics cards if they want to "lead in graphics." However, knowing what Intel usually focuses on, the cards they produce will probably be more for data computation, so like a GV 100 competitor, not the GTX-1080ti killer. That being said, it would be great to get another player in the game on the gaming market because AMD has yet again been caught with their dicks in their hands with Vega.

Only catch is the person most responsible for Vega is now heading up Intel's new division.

 

But there's two rather significant issues for whatever Intel is going to produce: 1) by the time anything is ready, Intel's nodes won't be ahead and 2) Nvidia pays a lot for customized manufacturing changes to suit their GPUs. High performance GPUs are a very different beast than CPUs, so this is going to be interesting to watch.

 

Oh, there is a 3rd issue. Apple has been hiring up everyone in the GPU space they can find, so Intel isn't going to like the price tag to fill out the staffing needs.

[Hackentosher]

6 minutes ago, Taf the Ghost said:

Only catch is the person most responsible for Vega is now heading up Intel's new division.

 

But there's two rather significant issues for whatever Intel is going to produce: 1) by the time anything is ready, Intel's nodes won't be ahead and 2) Nvidia pays a lot for customized manufacturing changes to suit their GPUs. High performance GPUs are a very different beast than CPUs, so this is going to be interesting to watch.

 

Oh, there is a 3rd issue. Apple has been hiring up everyone in the GPU space they can find, so Intel isn't going to like the price tag to fill out the staffing needs.

Intel also has a lot of money they can throw at this problem.

[GOTSpectrum]

12 minutes ago, Taf the Ghost said:

Only catch is the person most responsible for Vega is now heading up Intel's new division.

 

But there's two rather significant issues for whatever Intel is going to produce: 1) by the time anything is ready, Intel's nodes won't be ahead and 2) Nvidia pays a lot for customized manufacturing changes to suit their GPUs. High performance GPUs are a very different beast than CPUs, so this is going to be interesting to watch.

 

Oh, there is a 3rd issue. Apple has been hiring up everyone in the GPU space they can find, so Intel isn't going to like the price tag to fill out the staffing needs.

I think we are going to see a lot of headhunting over the next year, intel pealing gpu architects from the big three, red, green and a rather fruity computing company.

6 minutes ago, Hackentosher said:

Intel also has a lot of money they can throw at this problem.

I very much agree, intel could really cause some headaches for Nvidia, RTG and maybe even Apple if they are motivated enough.

[S w a t s o n]

Oh man I am excited now. Intel making discrete cards, I wonder if Raja took some of RTG with him? Nvidia is gonna plop volta on us. Intel is gonna dump money into Raja's department if they want in, even for AI because I've heard he will be focusing on AI.

What does this mean for Navi, and more importantly post-Navi?

[Hackentosher]

1 minute ago, Swatson said:

Oh man I am excited now. Intel making discrete cards, I wonder if Raja took some of RTG with him? Nvidia is gonna plop volta on us. Intel is gonna dump money into Raja's department if they want in, even for AI because I've heard he will be focusing on AI.

What does this mean for Navi, and more importantly post-Navi?

 

40 minutes ago, Hackentosher said:

Also, I'm sure Raj signed a 1.4 gazillion year NDA with AMD to protect their IP... soooo Raj can share his knowledge, but not AMD's tips, not even for a minute.

we talked about this a few posts up.

[S w a t s o n]

3 minutes ago, Hackentosher said:

 

we talked about this a few posts up.

No I I understand about that, even if he can't share AMD's IP this is going to be crazy. Intel will spend because they have deep pockets, they want "high-end discrete" which means nvidia just got put on notice.

Edit: I have new theory, Lisa knew Intel could spend more on Raja's mad fantasy and let him be free.

[ARikozuM]

3 minutes ago, Swatson said:

No I I understand about that, even if he can't share AMD's IP this is going to be crazy. Intel will spend because they have deep pockets, they want "high-end discrete" which means nvidia just got put on notice.

I doubt we'll see anything from Intel in the next two or three years that can match whatever Nvidia architecture will be [available]. I see Intel trying to go for the AI and computational spaces rather than gaming first. 

[S w a t s o n]

Just now, ARikozuM said:

I doubt we'll see anything from Intel in the next two or three years that can match whatever Nvidia architecture will be [available]. I see Intel trying to go for the AI and computational spaces rather than gaming first. 

Trickle down just like Nvidia has been, they wont be able to resist the miners at the very least :^ )

[Taf the Ghost]

14 minutes ago, Hackentosher said:

Intel also has a lot of money they can throw at this problem.

http://files.shareholder.com/downloads/AMDA-1XAJD4/5533880902x0x953561/F850D328-4AEF-479F-B0B6-88703C81A28A/Rev_by_Mkt_Qtrly_Trend_Q218.pdf

 

Nvidia's revenue on the year is going to be about 8 Billion USD. Intel can't invest too much money into the area, as there'll be no return otherwise. Main place Intel can put in a chunk of money is the Data Center space that Nvidia is moving into. That's less than 2 Billion USD right now, but looks poised to increase over the years. A hard investment there can bring HPC and other tasks fully into Intel's ecosystem, which is I think the reason to bring on Raja.

6 minutes ago, Ben Quigley said:

I think we are going to see a lot of headhunting over the next year, intel pealing gpu architects from the big three, red, green and a rather fruity computing company.

I very much agree, intel could really cause some headaches for Nvidia, RTG and maybe even Apple if they are motivated enough.

They'll have to. There ain't a lot of them and Intel is quite behind the ball right now.

[Prox1ma]

17 hours ago, Taf the Ghost said:

AMD has no reason to leave the 50-400 USD market. Nvidia actually took a gamble in designing their GPU for high-end business applications then cutting down the design, but it paid off. This makes owning the really high-end GPU market much easier for Nvidia. That's fine. The real money is in the mid-range for Gaming and, now, high-end Compute. 

AMD used to be good in the mid segment, that is no longer the case. Mining and price gouging is not helping them much.

[Taf the Ghost]

19 minutes ago, Ezilkannan said:

AMD used to be good in the mid segment, that is no longer the case. Mining and price gouging is not helping them much.

Weirdly, I guess we'll finally see the "Big Polaris", sort of, with HBM from the Intel collaboration. While the 1080 is a mid-range GPU, it's really the massive delay in a 1070 competitor that's caused AMD the problems. But we also can't deny that for significant chunks of time over the last 5 years, AMD GPUs have not been available at price competitive levels for the normal buyer. That causes problems on its own.

[cj09beira]

I see this being bad for Amd as the new division will need staff. 

I am actually disappointed, how does the head of a division decides to resign and go work for the biggest competitor doing the same job, and then make a post for his fellow coworkers on how he wanted to do something different.