So apparently, the Intel/Radeon marriage is a thing that's happening

[The Benjamins]

34 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

And hotter and draws 2x the power and relies on AMD drivers....

 

I promise I'm not an AMD hater, I recommend Ryzen a lot but Vega is just a bad product.

210W is not 150W x 2 = 300W, it is only 40% more

[Taf the Ghost]

6 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

And hotter and draws 2x the power and relies on AMD drivers....

 

I promise I'm not an AMD hater, I recommend Ryzen a lot but Vega is just a bad product.

It's only the Vega 64 that approaches 2x the power. The 1070 vs Vega 56 isn't that far apart. OC'd Vega 64? That's different.

[TahoeDust]

1 minute ago, The Benjamins said:

210W is not 150W x 2 = 300W, it is only 30% more

40%....but why be accurate when correcting someone else's inaccuracies...

[Taf the Ghost]

9 minutes ago, Paparachipupopep said:

I do hope AMD is forced to sell the assets of RTG so that a competent company can take their IP and actually do something with it. All the people who keep saying you should buy RTG GPUs to spite Nvidia should really be telling people to boycott RTG and force RTG to go under. Once Intel, Samsung, or whoever picks up the IP, then Nvidia might get real competition again.

AMD has little reason to sell RTG/ATI. And do you honestly think Intel would do better? Intel, the company that's spent 10s of billions on acquisitions to only write them off?

41 minutes ago, The Benjamins said:

Keller jumps around to different companies to work on top notch CPU projects, I don't think Raja does the same.

Keller also went over to Tesla this time. The guy actually made his money ages ago, so he just hops around to the interesting projects that are out there. Can you really blame the guy? He's a legend for a reason.

27 minutes ago, VagabondWraith said:

RTG will soon belong to Intel. AMD will be a CPU only company. Which is good, because Intel will actually challenge NVidia. How cool would it be to have an Intel branded dGPU in your rig?

Have you seen a history of how well Intel has done with acquisitions?

[ElZamo92]

I only have one thing to say:

[The Benjamins]

11 minutes ago, Taf the Ghost said:

 

Keller also went over to Tesla this time. The guy actually made his money ages ago, so he just hops around to the interesting projects that are out there. Can you really blame the guy? He's a legend for a reason.

 

I don't blame him, he just does it as a hobby vs it being a job.

[Memories4K]

35 minutes ago, S.Stephenson said:

 

Vega 56 is better than the GTX 1070 though........ and cheaper.

Nice try, Logan

[Taf the Ghost]

4 minutes ago, The Benjamins said:

I don't blame him, he just does it as a hobby vs it being a job.

Though discussions around Zen tend to praise Keller a bit too much. He didn't bring in the concept, as this was much more Papermaster's work, apparently. Keller's job was to reorganize their workflow and design practices. He also probably brought in a heavy dose of confidence and better outlook, as the Faildozer drags on everyone in a company, especially when they started downsizing as a result.

 

That type of effect rubs off, as Threadripper didn't exist until some Engineers just decided to do it in their spare time. Result? One of the best launches for a CPU in ages. (It's also a really high margin part for AMD and puts them in a very good Sale vs Mindshare segment. Though it does need to be noted that Threadripper really does seem to actually be selling well above expectations for a HEDT product.)

[TahoeDust]

5 minutes ago, Taf the Ghost said:

Though it does need to be noted that Threadripper really does seem to actually be selling well above expectations for a HEDT product.

Is that why the prices were recently cut by most major retailers?

[handymanshandle]

1 hour ago, VagabondWraith said:

RTG will soon belong to Intel. AMD will be a CPU only company. Which is good, because Intel will actually challenge NVidia. How cool would it be to have an Intel branded dGPU in your rig?

Intel Radeon, that doesn't sound right and I don't like it. 

But it wouldn't hurt if Intel gave AMD some money for RTG for some access to RTG IPs so that RTG can put more money into R&D so that RTG can punch back at Nvidia better.

[Taf the Ghost]

2 minutes ago, TahoeDust said:

Is that why the prices were recently cut by most major retailers?

AMD doesn't have the strict pricing requirements that Intel does, though that's more down to market position. Given the expected margin, $800USD would still be profitable for the retailer at a fairly hefty premium. That's part of the reason for the sales. Retailer is getting better margin on a $1000 USD 1950X + Mobo than the similarly priced Intel offers.

[TahoeDust]

7 minutes ago, Taf the Ghost said:

AMD doesn't have the strict pricing requirements that Intel does, though that's more down to market position. Given the expected margin, $800USD would still be profitable for the retailer at a fairly hefty premium. That's part of the reason for the sales. Retailer is getting better margin on a $1000 USD 1950X + Mobo than the similarly priced Intel offers.

If they are selling better than expected as you claim, why reduce your profit by lowering price?

 

To me, the more sound logic says that they lowered price to stimulate sales.  Deciding to make less profit per unit in hopes of increasing sales volume enough to overcome.

 

I also wonder if they are doing to to move as many units as possible before Coffee Lake and HCC x299 become more readily available.

[Taf the Ghost]

40 minutes ago, TahoeDust said:

If they are selling better than expected as you claim, why reduce your profit by lowering price?

 

To me, the more sound logic says that they lowered price to stimulate sales.  Deciding to make less profit per unit in hopes of increasing sales volume enough to overcome.

 

I also wonder if they are doing to to move as many units as possible before Coffee Lake and HCC x299 become more readily available.

Considering we haven't seen across-the-board cuts for the TR line, it's just retailers doing retailer things. People love Microcenter because of the low prices on CPUs and a few other things, but it works to Microcenter's business model. They make low margin on the Intel CPUs, but good margin on the rest of the computer you're highly likely to buy. (Which is why most of their deals seem to be CPU + Mobo; and, yes, I don't live near one either.)

 

As for Ryzen, they have, seemingly, cut the price a bit on AMD's side, though that has more to do with early margin that was available. At launch, the Ryzen 7 really was going up against the 6900, for about 20% less performance and 50% less cost. 

 

Back to the actual topic, I guess my speculation that someone was ill in Raja's family was incorrect. He either lost support of the rest of the management or other issues cropped up.

[HalGameGuru]

It seems to me the most logical reasoning and the one requiring the least amount of jumps is that Navi is internally complete. So Raja no longer has to be there to oversee it, and they need someone to grease the rails for the new Radeon GPU Intel APUs that are now in the works. I won't say this was always the plan but I believe it was an amicably and mutually arrived upon decision that put Raja in the place he would be most beneficial. To AMD and Intel.

[AMDPRO]

Raja koduri said, and I quote “

I will continue to be an ardent fan and user of AMD technologies for both personal and professional use.” and then goes to intel. How will he use AMD in intel? Also, will intel make a gaming GPU?

 

[AnonymousGuy]

1 minute ago, HalGameGuru said:

It seems to me the most logical reasoning and the one requiring the least amount of jumps is that Navi is internally complete. So Raja no longer has to be there to oversee it, and they need someone to grease the rails for the new Radeon GPU Intel APUs that are now in the works. I won't say this was always the plan but I believe it was an amicably and mutually arrived upon decision that put Raja in the place he would be most beneficial. To AMD and Intel.

[Ordinarily_Greater]

I don't believe it, this may be as a strategy to destroy intel products with making them at High TDP

 

And i believe Vega will be consistently developed only in Radeon Technologies Group (RTG)

[Bananasplit_00]

6 minutes ago, AMDPRO said:

Also, will intel make a gaming GPU?

no. he most likely cant use much of the GPU tech he knows and so on. he will probably be working on the iGPU tech side, but just because the man that made Vega happen goes to Intel dosent mean that their GPUs will become a massive amount better, nor worse for that part

[WMGroomAK]

Trying to read between the lines on the TechReport announcement of this, it's sounding like this could be interesting... Not sure how much this will play into improved iGPU for future Core processors and how much will be more directed to data center GPU and specialized solutions....

 

http://techreport.com/news/32811/raja-koduri-joins-intel-as-head-of-new-core-and-visual-computing-group

 

Quote

In that role, Intel says Koduri will bolster Intel's leadership in integrated graphics processors and—incredibly—complement those products with "high-end discrete graphics solutions for a broad range of computing segments."

...

Intel says Koduri will be responsible for delivering "differentiated IP across computing, graphics, media, imaging, and machine intelligence capabilities for the client and data center segments, artificial intelligence, and emerging opportunities like edge computing

 

[TheUzu]

1 hour ago, Master Disaster said:

And hotter and draws 2x the power and relies on AMD drivers....

 

I promise I'm not an AMD hater, I recommend Ryzen a lot but Vega is just a bad product.

Muuuh freesync.

 

its not really any hotter the cooler it’s pretty good, powerdraw wise it means my 1200W PSU has to try I have 2 mind you. 

 

Vega 56 is slightly better than the 1070, but if you take into account the cost of GSync Vega 56 looks much better.

 

Vega 64 however makes no sense I’ll give you that.

[BillyCool]

Intel CoRX Vega 128

[LAwLz]

Did not see that coming, but it makes sense I guess.

Hopefully we will see some interesting products gets released in the future.

[WMGroomAK]

So here is the formal Intel Press Release on this with a quote from Raja on joining Intel starting in early December...

https://newsroom.intel.com/news-releases/raja-koduri-joins-intel/

Quote

“I have admired Intel as a technology leader and have had fruitful collaborations with the company over the years,” Koduri said. “I am incredibly excited to join the Intel team and have the opportunity to drive a unified architecture vision across its world-leading IP portfolio that help’s accelerate the data revolution.”

I'm thinking that with the greater resources that Intel can throw at whatever Raja is working on that there could be some interesting stuff on the horizon.

[The Owl]

So this was a trade, Raja for AMD + Intel partnership

[PlayStation 2]

If you can't beat 'em, join 'em.