October 18th Apple Event - Unleashed - Apple Silicon, MacBook Pro upgrades, HomePod mini, AirPods 3rd Generation

[leadeater]

The LPDDR5 memory modules are bigger than I was expecting

 

M1

 

 

M1 Pro

 

M1 Max

 

Assuming everything is to scale ofc lol.

[TheReal1980]

5 minutes ago, Spindel said:

Oh the M1 Max has only 70 % of the performance of a 3080…

 

…desktop 3080 that is and it achieves that probably at 1/3 of the power draw

If that is true they all praise to Apple. I hated the Intel Apple products because of the heating issue and lack of performance, but now... Oh boy...

[Spindel]

2 minutes ago, TheReal1980 said:

If that is true they all praise to Apple. I hated the Intel Apple products because of the heating issue and lack of performance, but now... Oh boy...

Apparently the Max GPU is 55 W so 1/6 or something of a 3080

 

EDIT:// I can’t confirm the 55 W claim so treat it as a rumor 

[n0stalghia]

Oh the M1 Max has only 70 % of the performance of a 3080…

 

So it has a desktop 3070 in it? With a power draw of a laptop? wtf even?

[Roswell]

3 minutes ago, TheReal1980 said:

The notch bothered me at first but since the it sits on the program bar and is not shown when viewed 16:9 content I am actually ok with it.

 

3 minutes ago, RockSolid1106 said:

Yep, I hate the looks. Liked the older design. Notch to be honest isn’t too bad, just making better use of space IMO.

Yeah I guess it wouldn’t be that bad with a dark menu bar. That said I do hope they get rid of the sliver of the menu bar that sticks out underneath the notch. I dislike it on the iPhone and I think I’ll dislike it more on the Mac.

[leadeater]

46 minutes ago, saltycaramel said:

Linus is gonna love those number-less graphs. 

Which ones? The ones I were looking at were actually correctly done this time.

 

 

Correctly labelled X and Y with values and proper scale. Actually good job Apple, done it correctly this time.

 

As a reminder of the garbage they did last time

 

So yea, Apple can listen to valid criticism. 

[williamcll]

mmm the price hikes up really fast once you start adding the memory.

 

Hope you have some cheap online drive or external because the SSD is soldered.

[Dracarris]

1 minute ago, leadeater said:

So yea, Apple can listen to valid criticism. 

Yep, everything there, including some fine print in the bottom right corner I didn't have time to read.

[VinLAURiA]

Why the hell does a laptop screen have a notch, especially for only a simple webcam?

 

That thing better be 16:10 so that the notch only cuts into the Finder bar and doesn't interfere with 16:9 content...

[leadeater]

2 minutes ago, williamcll said:

mmm the price hikes up really fast once you start adding the memory.

We could always play a game of who's looks worse, here is the 16" with the M1 Max with 64GB

 

Waiting for yourself or someone from Japan to crush my number lol

[saltycaramel]

I remember listening to some podcasts (like ATP) last year back when the transition to Apple Silicon was first announced, and there was doubt Apple would be able to even match the dGPU from AMD in the last Intel MBP 16”. One theory was that they would still use a dGPU from AMD in the Apple Silicon 16” MBP and bigger iMacs.

 

Turns out they can 2.5x (M1 Pro) and 4x (M1 Max) the 5600M 8GB HBM2 card. 

[gjsman]

2 minutes ago, VinLAURiA said:

Why the hell does a laptop screen have a notch, especially for only a simple webcam?

 

Because if you watched the presentation, Apple decided to expand the display up into where the black area typically was. This means you now get the full screen aspect ratio without the menu bar, which is a tradeoff I can completely understand and accept.

[WereCat]

4 minutes ago, VinLAURiA said:

Why the hell does a laptop screen have a notch, especially for only a simple webcam?

 

That thing better be 16:10 so that the notch only cuts into the Finder bar and doesn't interfere with 16:9 content...

The purple square is the 16" MacBook Pro the green one is 16" 16:9 UHD

[RedRound2]

4 minutes ago, VinLAURiA said:

Why the hell does a laptop screen have a notch, especially for only a simple webcam?

 

That thing better be 16:10 so that the notch only cuts into the Finder bar and doesn't interfere with 16:9 content...

It only cuts the menu bar so it shouldn't affect any normal content. And yes Macs have always had 16:10

[delslow]

18 minutes ago, TheReal1980 said:

The notch bothered me at first but since the it sits on the program bar and is not shown when viewed 16:9 content I am actually ok with it.

I'm pretty sure the notch/bar area will have a local dimming zone right along the edge, so that it'll be perfectly black when not using that area, ala OLED displays.  It's going to be perfect blacks... let's see if they solved the weird text fuzziness problem.

[AzzaNezz]

8 minutes ago, leadeater said:

We could always play a game of who's looks worse, here is the 16" with the M1 Max with 64GB

 

Waiting for yourself or someone from Japan to crush my number lol

Check the pricing in brazil lol

[GDRRiley]

the notch is stupid. only making replacement screens harder to get.

happy to see magsafe come back

150$ now for the charger+cable, WTF it use to be 80$ for both

 

64gb of ram is tied to M1 MAX chip not M1 pro ie 24/32 GPU not 16.
love that 1tb of SSD space costs 300-400$ more.

[leadeater]

9 minutes ago, Dracarris said:

including some fine print in the bottom right corner I didn't have time to read.

Thanks for pointing that out, I was guessing both "other" laptop CPU were Intel ones but that confirms it. Bonus points on Apple, very well done.

[GDRRiley]

13 minutes ago, leadeater said:

Which ones? The ones I were looking at were actually correctly done this time.

 

Correctly labelled X and Y with values and proper scale. Actually good job Apple, done it correctly this time.

 

So yea, Apple can listen to valid criticism. 

but it is still based on "relative performance" and it doesn't say SOC, full system whats the power consumption being measured?

[VinLAURiA]

Just now, gjsman said:

Because if you watched the presentation, Apple decided to expand the display up into where the black area typically was. This means you now get the full screen aspect ratio without the menu bar, which is a tradeoff I can completely understand and accept.

Okay, that's reasonable, then. I think it would make more sense if they made the Finder bar black with white text on this model so that it better blends and acts more as a "dynamic bezel", but at least knowing that they're not cutting into what would otherwise be the regular screen otherwise makes sense. And it at least puts that space in the center of the Finder bar to good use, I guess.

 

Kinda disappointed about them ditching the touchbar on the keyboard, although it's whatever.

[gjsman]

2 minutes ago, GDRRiley said:

the notch is stupid. only making replacement screens harder to get.

You thought getting a replacement MiniLED display was going to be easy to begin with?

 

2 minutes ago, GDRRiley said:

love that 1tb of SSD space costs 300-400$ more.

It's double-fast as the previous SSDs, so at least you're getting pretty top-of-the-line speed. 

[AlTech]

It looks like their GPU perf claims in their presentation versus Radeon Pro 5600M were using Cinema 4D.

 

 

The numbers on the right align perfectly with the numbers they used to compare to Pro 5600M

[sounds]

22 minutes ago, leadeater said:

The LPDDR5 memory modules are bigger than I was expecting

 

(snip)

 

Assuming everything is to scale ofc lol.

Larger LPDDR5 dies physically dissipate heat faster, but at DDR5 speeds, they are generating more heat to begin with.

 

Larger LPDDR5 dies cost more to make, supply chain shortages may hit them first, also supply chain shortages are more severe on newer fab nodes such as LPDDR5.

 

But Apple books their fab capacity far enough in advance, so there's hope these chips won't be constrained by the LPDDR5 dies.

[GDRRiley]

still more interested to see what a mac mini or imac pro brings to the table. I don't see my GF late 2013 loaded 15in MBP getting replaced with one of these 16in machines

 

Just now, gjsman said:

You thought getting a replacement MiniLED display was going to be easy to begin with?

no but at least if its a semi normal screen from LG you've got a bigger chance of being able to get it

Just now, gjsman said:

It's double-fast as the previous SSDs, so at least you're getting pretty top-of-the-line speed. 

still doesn't justify the price

 

 

[gjsman]

1 minute ago, GDRRiley said:

still doesn't justify the price

Maybe Apple's paying a pretty premium to their SSD partners to have consistent supply (considering they'll need millions) in these troubled times, compared to a WD/NVMe SSD which have much more variety in models and less demand per chip.