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[igormp]

40 minutes ago, Imbadatnames said:

See the graphics on the “not nvidia” model is interesting as the 11850H has an Intel UHD based iGPU so the Xe GPU in there looks to be a dedicated professional GPU unless the website is wrong.

https://www.gadgetsnow.com/laptops/HP-ZBook-Studio-G8-7th-Gen-Laptop-Intel-Core-i7-11th-Gen-11800H-Intel-Integrated-Iris-Xe-32GB-256GB-SSD-Windows-10

Intel Integrated Iris Xe

And that's even the most low end integrated Iris Xe out there, with only 32 EUs instead of the 96 EUs found in the Intel's G7 CPUs.

40 minutes ago, Imbadatnames said:

Oh and the Zbook isn’t actually one line it’s an overarching brand with separate product lines. Some of which are workstation platforms some aren’t. 

Let me zoom a little bit here to make it clearer just in case:

 

 

But do as you please mate, keep telling yourself stories to justify your own ideas and ignore any other arguments against your points, for sure a laptop with a Xeon CPU is meant for gaming with integrated graphics, and not a workstation.

[leadeater]

39 minutes ago, igormp said:

But do as you please mate, keep telling yourself stories to justify your own ideas and ignore any other arguments against your points, for sure a laptop with a Xeon CPU is meant for gaming with integrated graphics, and not a workstation.

Just FYI your picture shows 3 CPU options with Integrated iGPU UHD and 1 with the slightly enhanced integrated iGPU Xe (which is still low end as hell). Regardless it shows perfectly what you stated, a dedicated workstation laptop product line that can be configured/optioned without a dedicated GPU because as we both know not everyone needs or wants one especially if you have to pay extra for it. Also the ZBook product line has AMD and Nvidia RTX options as well as professional RTX GPU options, as well as CPU options all the way down to i5.

 

And the idea that a workstation MUST come with either a Xeon or a professional GPU, or both, to be a "workstation laptop" is best case an assumption misinterpretation.

 

Far as I care as long as the product fits your needs for the price you are willing to pay and offers the performance you require then I couldn't care if the OEM/ODM labels it as "workstation" or not.  There is no point listing off professional applications and declaring these are required software to be running to have a "workstation" or "workstation needs" as everyone's projects are different sizes with different requirements and a fabrication workshop building horse floats is no less professional than an archecturual firm designing the next Olympic stadium. Or how about a laptop that is used to run a portable X-Ray or Ultrasound machine which is equipment you'll find in dental trucks that go to schools in my country, which I've had to provide support for. The laptop used for that are just HP Elitebooks not even ZBooks and I say operating an X-Ray is about as professional as you can get.

[saltycaramel]

4 hours ago, HenrySalayne said:

This is by definition the meaning of the word "optimization". 

That’s ridiculous, sorry.

Using x86 software on an x86 CPU is not merely an “optimization”.

Using ARM software on an ARM CPU is not merely an “optimization”.

Using RISC-V software on an RISC-V CPU is not merely an “optimization”.

Using PS2 software on a PS2 instead of using GameCube software is not merely an “optimization”.

Using the Glide API on a Voodoo 2 instead of using Direct3D is not merely an “optimization”.

 

Unless we’re playing with words.

 

Those are called big bold in your face watershed software design choices, they aren’t masterfully crafted trickeries to prop-up performances that require years of getting to know the ins and outs of obscure hardware. 

 

Early PS2 titles vs late PS2 titles, that’s optimization.

Early PS3 titles vs late PS3 titles, that’s optimization. 

 

That required years, it couldn’t be fast tracked.

Not so much using an M1 Mac as intended. 

[igormp]

11 minutes ago, leadeater said:

because as we both know not everyone needs or wants one especially if you have to pay extra for it

Sadly it seems that it's only both of us that think that while the rest of the world thinks otherwise, and that there's only a single definition of workstation for a single use case as defined by some user before  

(/s)

[BondiBlue]

28 minutes ago, leadeater said:

And the idea that a workstation MUST come with either a Xeon or a professional GPU, or both, to be a "workstation laptop" is best case an assumption misinterpretation.

Even desktop workstations don't always have a need for powerful CPU and GPU combos. For example: I own a Dell Precision T3500 workstation that shipped from Dell with dual Nvidia Quadro NVS 295 cards. Those cards are so weak that a Radeon HD 5450 looks like a powerful beast in comparison. However, they weren't intended for intensive workloads. They were chosen because they each offered dual DisplayPort outputs, and combined enabled the system to drive four displays. The motherboard has no integrated graphics. 

 

The idea that a workstation laptop (or desktop) must have powerful graphics hardware alongside a powerful CPU is just silly. 

[Spindel]

3 hours ago, leadeater said:

Just FYI your picture shows 3 CPU options with Integrated iGPU UHD and 1 with the slightly enhanced integrated iGPU Xe (which is still low end as hell). Regardless it shows perfectly what you stated, a dedicated workstation laptop product line that can be configured/optioned without a dedicated GPU because as we both know not everyone needs or wants one especially if you have to pay extra for it. Also the ZBook product line has AMD and Nvidia RTX options as well as professional RTX GPU options, as well as CPU options all the way down to i5.

 

And the idea that a workstation MUST come with either a Xeon or a professional GPU, or both, to be a "workstation laptop" is best case an assumption misinterpretation.

 

Far as I care as long as the product fits your needs for the price you are willing to pay and offers the performance you require then I couldn't care if the OEM/ODM labels it as "workstation" or not.  There is no point listing off professional applications and declaring these are required software to be running to have a "workstation" or "workstation needs" as everyone's projects are different sizes with different requirements and a fabrication workshop building horse floats is no less professional than an archecturual firm designing the next Olympic stadium. Or how about a laptop that is used to run a portable X-Ray or Ultrasound machine which is equipment you'll find in dental trucks that go to schools in my country, which I've had to provide support for. The laptop used for that are just HP Elitebooks not even ZBooks and I say operating an X-Ray is about as professional as you can get.

"Workstation" computer is the new "pro".

 

Just as my computer without a pro in its name is a professional computer because I use it in my profession. My non workstation computer is an actual workstation because I do my work on it.

 

Tech forums are silly a lot of the times.  

[mr moose]

20 hours ago, Imbadatnames said:

MacBooks can be used for general compute, as a hobbyist or for work as a self employed startup requiring a high performance computer. Workstation laptops aren’t for that use case. 

It's like you understand the flaw in your argument but you'll go down fighting anyway.