Seasonic confirms Nvidia 12-pin connector

[DildorTheDecent]

[Moonzy]

soon the "550W is enough for a single cpu and gpu system" will be invalid

glad i bought an RM850x

[KaitouX]

35 minutes ago, Moonzy said:

soon the "550W is enough for a single cpu and gpu system" will be invalid

glad i bought an RM850x

Soon gaming is going to be impossible without a air conditioner if all GPUs used that much power. Realistically speaking it will probably still be enough for anyone that isn't paying over $1000 for their GPU, as the cheaper ones should(hopefully) stay much closer to the efficiency sweet spot, and if you're getting ripped off paying that much for the GPU upgrading the PSU isn't a big deal. It's also hard to think that they would actually keep increasing the power consumption, it would soon get to the point where cooling it is basically impossible in a normal system.

[Zodiark1593]

1 minute ago, KaitouX said:

Soon gaming is going to be impossible without a air conditioner if all GPUs used that much power. Realistically speaking it will probably still be enough for anyone that isn't paying over $1000 for their GPU, as the cheaper ones should(hopefully) stay much closer to the efficiency sweet spot, and if you're getting ripped off paying that much for the GPU upgrading the PSU isn't a big deal. It's also hard to think that they would actually keep increasing the power consumption, it would soon get to the point where cooling it is basically impossible in a normal system.

Phase change cooling could be a thing becoming more commonplace if further node shrinks should prove impossible, though the downsides in regards to power consumption and complexity are significant. 
 

Maybe mini-AC systems could be devised to provide chilled air inside a PC chassis rather than directly refrigerating the components. 

[LOST TALE]

4 hours ago, AluminiumTech said:

Moore's Law is Dead YouTube channel says this is the alternative Nvidia is giving board partners instead of using 3x 8 pin connectors.

 

Yeah rumor has it the top Nvidia card is capable of pushing beyond 400W of power so they had to cap it at 400W.

nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo give us all the power! giv eus the option! hacks now

[Kisai]

5 hours ago, illegalwater said:

 

This is bizarre, will this ever actually be implemented on PSUs or will it be relegated to adapters forever?

Source

https://videocardz.com/newz/seasonic-confirms-nvidia-rtx-30-series-12-pin-adapter

Huh, strange. Smaller connectors permit less current, I wonder why they went with this unless they're trying to reduce board space needed by the connectors.

 

Like the original connectors permitted 75w per wire, so nothing is actually different here it's still equal to two 6-pin connectors, only with more current going over the same wires.

[Derangel]

50 minutes ago, Moonzy said:

soon the "550W is enough for a single cpu and gpu system" will be invalid

glad i bought an RM850x

 

This card is likely an anomaly. It will likely be another Fermi situation where Nvidia can't keep power and heat in check and feels like they need to release something regardless of it's faults. Then come the next generation of cards they will tout how much they've improved power and pretend that it's all about them caring about power efficiency again.

[Donut417]

Scanned the thread. And what I got out of it is this new GPU would use more power than the Window Air conditioner I use to cool my room. 

[niofalpha]

I hope the lower end cards have the cable requirements as my 980, since cable management is a bitch in my case.

[Ankerson]

I don't plan on upgrading from my 2080Ti for maybe 2 more years so I suppose we will see what happens...

 

I do think the 3x 8 Pin would be the smarter approach in the end like the Kingpin etc.

[GDRRiley]

1 hour ago, CarlBar said:

 

As ntoed above dual 8 pin only does 2/3 of what this can do.

it goes into the power supply side which on almost all PSUs each port is built to handle 2 8 pins. you have 2 of those to give you 600W

[Kisai]

1 hour ago, Moonzy said:

soon the "550W is enough for a single cpu and gpu system" will be invalid

glad i bought an RM850x

550w was never enough. People just like being cheap. Really there has never been a reason to not just pick the biggest PSU available other than chassis-space/cooling efficiency being reduced by larger ones. Heck the "PSU calculator" just for the best upgrade currently available still requires a 1000w PSU. If I reduce that to the best Ryzen 9 system, and cut all the HDD's, USB's and all the PCIe cards but the GPU and M2 drive, that's still 750w.

 

Presumably this GPU requires a "850w" minimum just to have enough safe overhead should a 400w GPU be used on a non-HEDT desktop. The Ryzen 9 3950X alone is 231w @ 100% TDP with no RAM/SDD, and 328 with 4 sticks of RAM and 1 M2 SDD. So a 400w GPU is 150w higher than the current 2080 Super which is 583w combined already which means 733w is the bare minimum pulled by the CPU, RAM, SDD, and GPU without taking into account anything plugged into the USB ports.

 

[Mateyyy]

3 minutes ago, Kisai said:

The Ryzen 9 3950X alone is 231w @ 100% TDP with no RAM/SDD

3 minutes ago, Kisai said:

and 328 with 4 sticks of RAM and 1 M2 SDD.

Some memory and an SSD won't pull 97W. In fact, they won't pull even a quarter of that.

And this is why people always recommend steering clear of "PSU CaLcUlAtOrS".

[Kisai]

1 minute ago, Mateyyy said:

Some memory and an SSD won't pull 97W. In fact, they won't pull even a quarter of that.

And this is why people always recommend steering clear of "PSU CaLcUlAtOrS".

The PSU calculators use the manufacturer's specs for the hardware. Not a benchmark. Quite frankly people are being stupidly cheap if they're not buying the biggest available PSU if they intend to run the highest end parts.

 

[Ankerson]

11 minutes ago, Kisai said:

550w was never enough. People just like being cheap. Really there has never been a reason to not just pick the biggest PSU available other than chassis-space/cooling efficiency being reduced by larger ones. Heck the "PSU calculator" just for the best upgrade currently available still requires a 1000w PSU. If I reduce that to the best Ryzen 9 system, and cut all the HDD's, USB's and all the PCIe cards but the GPU and M2 drive, that's still 750w.

 

Presumably this GPU requires a "850w" minimum just to have enough safe overhead should a 400w GPU be used on a non-HEDT desktop. The Ryzen 9 3950X alone is 231w @ 100% TDP with no RAM/SDD, and 328 with 4 sticks of RAM and 1 M2 SDD. So a 400w GPU is 150w higher than the current 2080 Super which is 583w combined already which means 733w is the bare minimum pulled by the CPU, RAM, SDD, and GPU without taking into account anything plugged into the USB ports.

 

 

 

Yeah, almost all of the ones recommending those severely underpowered PSUs aren't actually running them in their own machines.

 

550W is enough..... Person that recommended it with a similar specs is running a 1,000W PSU..... 

 

Likely saw some kiddo with a $5 kill watt who made the video with his smart phone in his moms basement while doing his homework....

[Derangel]

7 minutes ago, Kisai said:

The PSU calculators use the manufacturer's specs for the hardware. Not a benchmark. Quite frankly people are being stupidly cheap if they're not buying the biggest available PSU if they intend to run the highest end parts.

 

Buying a massive PSU when you don't need the power is a huge waste. Not only is it a waste of money (not really a big concern if you're buying high-end stuff anyway) but it's entirely a waste of whatever 80+ rating the PSU has because you will likely be outside of it's ideal efficiency range. It's generally not smart to just buy the biggest PSU you can afford.

[Mateyyy]

13 hours ago, Kisai said:

The PSU calculators use the manufacturer's specs for the hardware. Not a benchmark. Quite frankly people are being stupidly cheap if they're not buying the biggest available PSU if they intend to run the highest end parts.

The "manufacturer's spec" for my 9900K is 95W. The 9900K, in reality, is a 160W+ chip. PSU calculators just pull random numbers out of their arse and triple them for the heck of it, and will just happen to recommend you some 80+ Titanium 1000W unit for a mid-range system, because some guy paid them to showcase their power supplies.

 

AIDA64 AVX is not a benchmark, it's an unrealistic harsh stress test. Current draw during real-world workloads will be lower than what you see in that graph, and this also applies to other stress tests like Prime95, Linpack, etc.

 

The "biggest available PSU" could also be a trash can. There's plenty of 1000W+ out there that will blow up at an 800W load.

 

13 hours ago, Ankerson said:

Yeah, almost all of the ones recommending those severely underpowered PSUs aren't actually running them in their own machines.

 

550W is enough..... Person that recommended it with a similar specs is running a 1,000W PSU..... 

Wasn't "one of the ones recommending those severely underpowered PSU" running similar specs to what the OP was using with a 450/550W PSU themselves, while you were suggesting some 850W or whatever unit? I'm not 100% sure on which person I'm talking about though, since you went on rampages about needing kilowatts of power for mid-range systems in multiple threads recently.

[Kisai]

4 minutes ago, Derangel said:

Buying a massive PSU when you don't need the power is a huge waste. Not only is it a waste of money (not really a big concern if you're buying high-end stuff anyway) but it's entirely a waste of whatever 80+ rating the PSU has because you will likely be outside of it's ideal efficiency range.

Excuse me? The most efficient point on PSU's is at the 50% point on the manufacturer's own marketing.

 

 

Running it closer to 100% is similar to running it at 0%, so if you have no headroom, then it's less efficient.

 

If the PSU calculator's are setup to recommend the largest PSU all the time, then there's no point in even having it. You certainly aren't going to buy a 1000w CPU for a Celeron system.

[ColdPressCoconutOil]

6 hours ago, TofuHaroto said:

3 8 pins? then yea i definitely  missed something lol..

the colorful card leak had 3 pcie connector pins on the card lulz

[Ankerson]

1 minute ago, Kisai said:

Excuse me? The most efficient point on PSU's is at the 50% point.

Running it closer to 100% is similar to running it at 0%, so if you have no headroom, then it's less efficient.

 

 

Yes, I don't recommend much over say 30% however personally so that would be in the 70% range or so max..

[Derangel]

Just now, Kisai said:

Excuse me? The most efficient point on PSU's is at the 50% point.

Running it closer to 100% is similar to running it at 0%, so if you have no headroom, then it's less efficient.

 

Generally, the less power you use the lower your efficiency range. You don't want 100%, but you really don't want 50 either. Gaming doesn't pull as much power as you think it does so going massive overkill will put you outside of the ideal range more often than not.

[Ankerson]

8 minutes ago, Derangel said:

Generally, the less power you use the lower your efficiency range. You don't want 100%, but you really don't want 50 either. Gaming doesn't pull as much power as you think it does so going massive overkill will put you outside of the ideal range more often than not.

 

Say it's pulling 500W from the wall in gaming then 650W PSU would be good with the 30% headroom... Could even go 750W or 850W depending to allow for future upgrades and builds etc with the LONG warranties of 10 or more years now. Buy one PSU now instead of 2 total down the road adding undue cost for a new build etc. Nobody really knows what they will be doing say 6 or 8 years from now or what the hardware will require.

[Derangel]

1 minute ago, Ankerson said:

 

Say it's pulling 500W from the wall in gaming then 650W PSU would be good with the 30% headroom... Could even go 750W or 850W depending to allow for future upgrades and builds etc with the LONG warranties of 10 or more years now.

Yeah. If I remember correctly, the general recommendation is something like 60-70%. Gives headroom, gives some leeway for varying power levels, and isn't just a waste.

[Haro]

10 hours ago, Kisai said:

The Ryzen 9 3950X alone is 231w @ 100% TDP

No, no it's not.

 

10 hours ago, Kisai said:

The PSU calculators use the manufacturer's specs for the hardware.

Again, no they don't it's just random crap that they get out of no where.

 

10 hours ago, Kisai said:

if they're not buying the biggest available PSU if they intend to run the highest end parts.

That says literally nothing. 

 

edit: also a psu is meant to supply 100% of it's power not get a system that consumer 500w and then get a 650w for "headroom".

[Ankerson]

14 minutes ago, Derangel said:

Yeah. If I remember correctly, the general recommendation is something like 60-70%. Gives headroom, gives some leeway for varying power levels, and isn't just a waste.

 

And with the LONG warranties these days of 10 or more years that has to be taken into consideration too.

 

Better to buy a littlie larger than not.... Say 650W with the 30%, but get a 750W or 850W so you won't have to buy another PSU in 5 or 6 years or in 10 years... Not overboard at all still..... Still reasonable...

 

But to get a 550W PSU than then have to buy another 2 years later, then another on top of that maybe in another 2 or 3 years is just stupid... That's what some are actually pushing here..... That's absolutely idiotic when you think about it.

 

I am not saying go out and get a 1200W PSU...