Nvidia working on a 1070 Ti

[snortingfrogs]

Nvidia are apparently working on a new version of the 1070, called 1070 Ti.

Could be really interesting, either it will make the standard 1070 cheaper (hopefully) or it might replace the 1070.

 

NVIDIA is readying a new GeForce GTX 1070 refresh graphics card, according to well-placed sources. Positioned between the current GTX 1070 and the GTX 1080 11 Gbps in performance, the refreshed GTX 1070 could at least displace the current GTX 1070 from its price-point, if not replace it. NVIDIA could carve the new chip out of the latest stepping of the GP104 silicon, and give it more CUDA cores, likely 2,048 (on par with GTX 1070 Mobile), if not higher. It could also get faster memory, likely 9 Gbps GDDR5 or even 10 Gbps GDDR5X. Its core and GPU Boost clock speeds could even be dialed up a little.

 

Source: https://www.techpowerup.com/237016/nvidia-readying-a-geforce-gtx-1070-refresh-gtx-1070-ti

[Coaxialgamer]

Likely to combat vega 56...

[InertiaSelling]

@Coaxialgamer I don't think vega 56 is a serious threat to the 1070.

 

Why would Nvidia do that ? I mean, it's great news, but why ?

[Bananasplit_00]

well NVIDIA did say Pascal would be unbeatable for the holiday seson, but i wonder how this will place itself compared to the 1080 with the original VRAM speed  

[Bananasplit_00]

1 minute ago, InertiaSelling said:

@Coaxialgamer I don't think vega 56 is a serious threat to the 1070.

 

Why would Nvidia do that ? I mean, it's great news, but why ?

the Vega 56 is faster though, how is that not a threat? its up there with the GTX 1080 last time i saw a bench

[Bcat00]

1 minute ago, Bananasplit_00 said:

the Vega 56 is faster though, how is that not a threat? its up there with the GTX 1080 last time i saw a bench

ya and its much pricier too, clap clap clap

 

And don say MSRP is lower, no one believes that marketing crap from AMD at this point.

[InertiaSelling]

That's what I meant, vega 56's price to performance is far from excellent at the moment. Most people don't buy graphics card for compute performance. And the power consumption is terrible as well. I don't feel like Nvidia is threatened. They would be if 56 was 30% cheaper, perhaps.

[leadeater]

7 minutes ago, Bcat00 said:

And don say MSRP is lower, no one believes that marketing crap from AMD at this point.

Because Nvidia and AMD have control over MSRP but also list price right... .

 

Anyway personally don't see the point, just price drop the 1070 and 1080 job done. Would have thought making a meaningful 1070Ti would be too much effort to not start stepping on 1080's and then pricing would just start getting weird.

[Bananasplit_00]

5 minutes ago, Bcat00 said:

ya and its much pricier too, clap clap clap

 

And don say MSRP is lower, no one believes that marketing crap from AMD at this point.

i can find new Vega 56 cheaper then i can find new 1070s here in Sweden atlest

[WereCat]

Why?

I see no point in doing that this late into Pascal architecture when they could be working on releasing Volta which they already have. Especially this time around it makes even less sense because of the inflated prices of GPUs.

[Bouzoo]

27 minutes ago, Bananasplit_00 said:

well NVIDIA did say Pascal would be unbeatable for the holiday seson, but i wonder how this will place itself compared to the 1080 with the original VRAM speed  

The difference between the two RAM speed variants was literally few %. 1070 Ti would compare are to OG 1080 pretty much the same as it does to the new one. 

[Coaxialgamer]

30 minutes ago, Bcat00 said:

ya and its much pricier too, clap clap clap

 

And don say MSRP is lower, no one believes that marketing crap from AMD at this point.

Except that MSRP is the level at which nvidia and amd compete. 

It's not "marketing crap". Amd makes the same amount of money regardless of how much money to card ends up selling for. Its in their best interest to keep the cards at msrp. The price gouging is on the retail side of things. 

[WereCat]

32 minutes ago, Bouzoo said:

The difference between the two RAM speed variants was literally few %. 1070 Ti would compare are to OG 1080 pretty much the same as it does to the new one. 

The difference is quite large and worth it. The issue why you rarely see any improvement is the power limit. By overclocking VRAM you lose on core clock quite a bit.

 

Not sure how much more W does GDDR5X vs GDDR5 consume on its stock.

 

This is when running Firestrike Ultimate (1080ti) with different VRAM clocks, power limit max, core OC the same.

[Tech Enthusiast]

1 hour ago, Coaxialgamer said:

Except that MSRP is the level at which nvidia and amd compete. 

It's not "marketing crap". Amd makes the same amount of money regardless of how much money to card ends up selling for. Its in their best interest to keep the cards at msrp. The price gouging is on the retail side of things. 

And why would i, as a consumer, care about MSRPs?

I care about the money i have to fork over when i buy a product, not what the company lists as a fake number.

 

For all it's worth AMD could put the MSRP at 99$ and even if NVidia lowered MSRP to 49$ afterwards, the picture would not change even by a fraction.Again, for the consumer.

 

Bottomline: You should not care about MSRP, you should care about how much your wallet is lighter after a purchase. And that is where NVidia currently outshines the Vega cards by a longshot.

[Senzelian]

First I thought this was a mistake and you meant a 1060Ti, cause to me a 1070Ti doesnt really seem to make sense. We'll see how it stacks up compared to a 1080. 

[TidaLWaveZ]

[snortingfrogs]

@Senzelian We already got 1060 3GB and 1060 6GB so a 1060 Ti is not needed and would be quite confusing imho.

[Bouzoo]

2 hours ago, WereCat said:

The difference is quite large and worth it. The issue why you rarely see any improvement is the power limit. By overclocking VRAM you lose on core clock quite a bit.

 

Not sure how much more W does GDDR5X vs GDDR5 consume on its stock.

 

This is when running Firestrike Ultimate (1080ti) with different VRAM clocks, power limit max, core OC the same.

There was a review on Guru3D, quite detailed, Strix 1080 11 Gbps version. Their words were that it does give increases, but it's a small step. 

Where did you see the huge increase? 

[SpaceGhostC2C]

3 hours ago, leadeater said:

 

Anyway personally don't see the point, just price drop the 1070 and 1080 job done.

Blasphemy! Heressy! 

 

1 hour ago, Rattenmann said:

And why would i, as a consumer, care about MSRPs?

You, as a consumer, don't launch new products and decide over the existence of a 1070 ti or lack thereof. So what matters is what Nvidia cares about. 

 

GPU prices are currently inflated, but 1) that's subject to change (in fact, I already see the used cards coming back, and even whole mining racks on eBay, possibly due to the energy costs here) and fluctuate in the future, and 2) they are inflated for everyone, in line with their compute capabilities power watt. Being generally weaker for mining has kept the Nvidia models less inflated for longer, but at this point the 1060s and 1070a are also gone. So, Vega 56 is away from MSRP, but so are the other cards, green and red, maybe with the very top and as an exception - only because those were already too pricey even compared to inflated midrange cards

 

Whether Nvidia cares about sales or just doesn't like seeing the 1070 below in charts, releasing a 1070 ti seems very plausibly a reaction to Vega 56. It's their way of saying "wait, this is the <<real>> 1070, now test again", kind of like when they released the 1060... 6gb, after already having released the 1060.

But maybe you have a different hypothesis. 

[SpaceGhostC2C]

2 minutes ago, Bouzoo said:

There was a review on Guru3D, quite detailed, Strix 1080 11 Gbps version. Their words were that it does give increases, but it's a small step. 

Where did you see the huge increase? 

In cats per second

Spoiler

 

 

[Princess Luna]

I call it fake news.

[Princess Luna]

3 hours ago, Bananasplit_00 said:

the Vega 56 is faster though, how is that not a threat? its up there with the GTX 1080 last time i saw a bench

V56 is not faster than the GTX 1070, they trade blows depending completely on the workload to say what does better:

 

This gives the good picture, sometimes the Founders Edition GTX 1070 even outperforms the LIQUID COOLED VEGA 64 lol

 

My old back up GTX TITAN X Maxwell outperforms the V56 with a laugh.... AMD failed hard, 3 years and still can't fully beat Maxwell architecture.

[Space Reptile]

NO THEY DONT , its a fucking printout of some specs put in a plastic display thingy that someone snapped a picture off w/ a phone , its as loose of a leak as it gets jesus fucking christ 

[Bananasplit_00]

Just now, Princess Cadence said:

V56 is not faster than the GTX 1070, they trade blows depending completely on the workload to say what does better:

 

yes, but once overclocked(which, yes absolutely not guaranteed but seems like everyone card can do decently) the 56 runs away with it from what i have seen atleast. There will always be those cards like my 970 that wont move a MHz but the general overclocking/undervolting results seems to me to put it pretty close to a 1080 in both power draw and fps.

[SpaceGhostC2C]

7 minutes ago, Space Reptile said:

... 

Well, it may not be true, but regarding the phone pic the source has this to say:

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btarunr

Editor & Senior Moderator

For the record, the basis of this story is not this leaked screenshot:

https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1070-ti.237008/

We've spoken with well placed sources.

Posted on Sep 14th 2017, 8:50

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