Nvidia working on a 1070 Ti

[Jito463]

3 hours ago, WereCat said:

Why?

I see no point in doing that this late into Pascal architecture when they could be working on releasing Volta which they already have. Especially this time around it makes even less sense because of the inflated prices of GPUs.

Except that Volta is still extremely expensive for them to produce.  As I understand things (admittedly, I could be mistaken), it can take an entire wafer to produce just one functional Volta GPU.  Until they can get production under control, they're far better off selling those cards for compute purposes only, where they can charge a premium.  As such, a 1070 Ti makes plenty of sense.

[Sauron]

RIP gtx 1080

[Okjoek]

Why?

 

GTX 1070 with GDDR5X?

[Misanthrope]

4 hours ago, Coaxialgamer said:

Likely to combat vega 56...

They can combat Vega 56 already with 2 attributes:

 

1) A lower price

2) Actual cards in stock

 

I just don't see the point of a middle card between the 1070 and the 1080 specially when the price of the 1070 is already so damn close to the 1080 as to be obsolete for as long as the mining craze lasts.

 

 

[Misanthrope]

1 hour ago, SpaceGhostC2C said:

Blasphemy! Heressy! 

 

You, as a consumer, don't launch new products and decide over the existence of a 1070 ti or lack thereof. So what matters is what Nvidia cares about. 

 

GPU prices are currently inflated, but 1) that's subject to change (in fact, I already see the used cards coming back, and even whole mining racks on eBay, possibly due to the energy costs here) and fluctuate in the future, and 2) they are inflated for everyone, in line with their compute capabilities power watt. Being generally weaker for mining has kept the Nvidia models less inflated for longer, but at this point the 1060s and 1070a are also gone. So, Vega 56 is away from MSRP, but so are the other cards, green and red, maybe with the very top and as an exception - only because those were already too pricey even compared to inflated midrange cards

 

Whether Nvidia cares about sales or just doesn't like seeing the 1070 below in charts, releasing a 1070 ti seems very plausibly a reaction to Vega 56. It's their way of saying "wait, this is the <<real>> 1070, now test again", kind of like when they released the 1060... 6gb, after already having released the 1060.

But maybe you have a different hypothesis. 

Yes this has been "subject to change" since like May or June. Mining is not going away prices will not change anytime soon: Ethereum is holding up despite all of this predictions. I said it before and I'll say it again: waiting for Ethereum to crash is not a solution since not only it might not crash but any other coin can be created to replace it and within a few weeks we're back to scarce cards.

[LukaH]

not sure if i care. the price difference between the 1070-1080 is so small jamming another card in between them is stupid and if I owned a 1070 I would probably be a little pissed off. But i guess this is nVidia MO for the foreseeable future.

 

Unless they drop the price of the 1070 and introduce the 1070Ti at the current 1070 price. I don't know usually im excited about any card that comes out (almost) but this one I'll press the snooze button.

[flibberdipper]

This really only makes sense for OEM's. For public purchase it doesn't make cock sense honestly.

[snortingfrogs]

It's way too early to say "this is not needed" and such.

IF they release a 1070 Ti we might see price adjustments for the other cards in their lineup, dropping the price of the 1070 with say $50, 1060 6GB with $30, the 1060 3GB with $20 and so on.

[PlayStation 2]

"NVIDIA is readying a new GeForce GTX 1070 refresh graphics card, according to well-placed sources."

We're really scraping the bottom of the barrel, are we. If this doesn't work for cable news, it won't fucking work with tech news.

[Coaxialgamer]

3 hours ago, Rattenmann said:

And why would i, as a consumer, care about MSRPs?

I care about the money i have to fork over when i buy a product, not what the company lists as a fake number.

 

For all it's worth AMD could put the MSRP at 99$ and even if NVidia lowered MSRP to 49$ afterwards, the picture would not change even by a fraction.Again, for the consumer.

 

Bottomline: You should not care about MSRP, you should care about how much your wallet is lighter after a purchase. And that is where NVidia currently outshines the Vega cards by a longshot.

Consumers shouldn't care about msrp. Thats not the issue. When amd and nvidia compete on price however, they fight based on MSRP. Not based on store price. Amd makes the same amount of money regardless of retail price. The in store cost is mainly affected by supply and demand. 

 

But as far as nvidia is concerned, vega 56 is faster than the 1070, and only costs a bit more (350 vs 399$), which could entice some people. 

They want to maintain leadership by making sure vega isn't even considered. 

[Coaxialgamer]

1 hour ago, Misanthrope said:

They can combat Vega 56 already with 2 attributes:

 

1) A lower price

2) Actual cards in stock

 

I just don't see the point of a middle card between the 1070 and the 1080 specially when the price of the 1070 is already so damn close to the 1080 as to be obsolete for as long as the mining craze lasts.

 

 

I addressed it in another comment, but my reasoning is that nvidia wants to make sure that vega isn't even CONSIDERED. They know that the 1070 will outsell vega 56, but some people are indeed considering it as an alternative. 

A "1070ti" doesn't cost anything more to make. They can just use the same gp104 dies and cut them as needed. 

 

 

[Misanthrope]

5 minutes ago, Coaxialgamer said:

I addressed it in another comment, but my reasoning is that nvidia wants to make sure that vega isn't even CONSIDERED. They know that the 1070 will outsell vega 56, but some people are indeed considering it as an alternative. 

A "1070ti" doesn't cost anything more to make. They can just use the same gp104 dies and cut them as needed. 

Tru dat.

 

But actually my guess (100% speculation but still) would be that this 1070ti will do something to curve down miners. It might not be something very drastic and might just be a token limitation or even as simple as negotiating with retailers and distributors (i.e. you cannot sell more than 1 per customer of this specific SKU the others you can but not this one). But bottom line is that this card will do something to address the situation.

 

It might end up being nothing more than a repackage of the 1070 and calling it "ti" with a factory overclock to justify the more expensive MSRP.

[linustouchtips]

no volta now strange things are happening 

[Princess Luna]

17 minutes ago, anthonyjc2010 said:

Vega 56 is designed to destroy the 1070

Just gonna leave this here...

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[RotoCoreOne]

if this really is a thing I expect it to perform around 1080 max q levels

[GatioH]

53 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

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>cherry picked tests

[Humbug]

7 hours ago, InertiaSelling said:

@Coaxialgamer I don't think vega 56 is a serious threat to the 1070.

Once the mining demand drops and Vega56 is available at MSRP it is.

Cause it is faster than the GTX 1070. And the power consumption is ok (unlike Vega64).

[InertiaSelling]

33 minutes ago, Humbug said:

Once the mining demand drops and Vega56 is available at MSRP

When the sun rises in the west and sets in the east, when the seas go dry and the mountains blow in the wind like leaves. When your womb quickens again, and you bear a living child. Then the mining demand will drop, and not before.

[Senzelian]

5 hours ago, snortingfrogs said:

@Senzelian We already got 1060 3GB and 1060 6GB so a 1060 Ti is not needed and would be quite confusing imho.

Both would be confusing, but the gap between the 1060 and 1070 seems larger than between then 1070 and 1080 and in the past we've seen more 60-series TI versions.

[pas008]

havent we seen x70ti rumors almost every gen now?

[Eduard the weeb]

8 hours ago, InertiaSelling said:

@Coaxialgamer I don't think vega 56 is a serious threat to the 1070.

 

Why would Nvidia do that ? I mean, it's great news, but why ?

Vega 56 is it drops back to 400 dollars is a really good option at that price because of the HBM memory and being faster then normal 1070.

[WereCat]

8 hours ago, Bouzoo said:

There was a review on Guru3D, quite detailed, Strix 1080 11 Gbps version. Their words were that it does give increases, but it's a small step. 

Where did you see the huge increase? 

Witcher 3

+700MHz (+1400MHz effective) on VRAM got me 13FPS AVG

[ZestyJalapeno]

This a really unnecessary addition... 1070 is close enough to the 1080 as it is, why would they jam another increment between 100% perf and 115% perf? It would make more sense for them to lower the 1060 price and introduce a 4GB 1070 which would pretty much guarantee them ownership of the midrange until the cryptobubble bursts.

[Bouzoo]

35 minutes ago, WereCat said:

Witcher 3

+700MHz (+1400MHz effective) on VRAM got me 13FPS AVG

That is something between the cards or something was wrong. FE OG 1080 vs Strix OC 1080 11 Gbps gives like 10 FPS. That's pretty much top and bottom that you can get. What was your previous card?

[WereCat]

36 minutes ago, Bouzoo said:

That is something between the cards or something was wrong. FE OG 1080 vs Strix OC 1080 11 Gbps gives like 10 FPS. That's pretty much top and bottom that you can get. What was your previous card?

GTX 1060 6GB and 770 2GB