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MageTank

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About MageTank

  • Title
    Fully Stable
  • Birthday October 27

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    MageTank#11790

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  • Location
    United States
  • Gender
    Male
  • Interests
    Gaming, Computer Hardware
  • Occupation
    Slim Jim Enthusiast

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  • CPU
    Core i7 8700k 5.4ghz Cinebench Stable (best kind of stable)
  • Motherboard
    ASRock Z370 Fatality K6
  • RAM
    4x8GB Patriot Viper Steel DDR4 4400 C19 (Clocked at 4000 C15-15-15-30-2, 36ns latency)
  • GPU
    EVGA RTX 2080 Ti Black Edition XC
  • Case
    Thermaltake Core P3
  • Storage
    Intel 2TB 660P M.2 NVMe SSD
  • PSU
    EVGA 850W Supernova G2
  • Display(s)
    LG OLED B9 55" 4k 120hz G-Sync TV
  • Cooling
    Decent Sized Custom Loop
  • Keyboard
    Logitech G Pro TKL
  • Mouse
    Logitech G703
  • Sound
    Sennheiser Game One
  • Operating System
    Windows 10 Pro
  • Laptop
    PowerSpec 1510 (Clevo P650HS-G) w/ 120hz G-Sync panel

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  1. No worries, appreciate you taking the time to correct my nonsense. Someone has to do it, lol.
  2. You're a day late and a dollar short my good friend. @LAwLzbeat you to it and then some: He also talks about not needing to replace your motherboard during the interview, which implies that new CPUs released in 2020 will be supported on your (at the time) current motherboard, which was the 300 series chipsets. If you are looking to catch up with where we are at (and my thoughts on the subject), my post is here:
  3. If you would have asked me this prior to your super sleuthing detective work, I would have said no, on the grounds that they did not seem to be intentionally deceptive but instead were simply reckless in how they conveyed support from a technical perspective. In light of your recent sources showing a potential cover-up, it's hard not to see it as potentially misleading. The issue again stems from their decision to word it as "AM4" and not mention specific chipsets. If we are arguing specifics, the socket is still supported through 2020 (even now in 2021), while older AM4 chipsets
  4. You mistake me pointing out the flaws with your argument as "defending AMD". Companies do not require my defense, nor would I feel inclined to defend them. They should be fighting to earn my business, not the other way around. You and I have had this conversation on this forum before, we know where each other stands on this, let's not pretend we are fanboys here. Let's get back to breaking down what you're saying. In "AMD's own eyes" (whatever that may mean), they claimed they would support until 2020. Not through, UNTIL. There is evidence of this in slides released wel
  5. They never used the word "through". They used the word "until". Multiple sources in my previous post showed this: Find me one quote from AMD where they themselves promised support through 2020. It's important that we do not misrepresent what they said to fit our narrative, regardless of how badly we want it to be true. I suppose it's possible one could interpret AMD's promise of "motherboard support until 2020" as a means of disputing X570's incompatibility with first gen Ryzen, depending on how they'd define "support", though it still doesn't help them with the c
  6. I don't think nothing would stop them from doing it, though it would break away from their previous trend as their + nomenclature typically involved an increase in pin count on the socket itself for the newer CPU's. I think people should spend less time paying attention to the socket itself and more attention to chipset support as the socket can be deceptive. If we look at the sockets, TR4 vs TRX40 would look identical but the difference in chipset is what dictates the difference in compatibility, despite the CPU's physically fitting in the boards. I don't know, I can'
  7. I recall the original promise being support until 2020. https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/amd-socket-am4-motherboards-support-until-2020, https://community.amd.com/t5/blogs/the-exciting-future-of-amd-socket-am4/ba-p/414125, https://www.overclock3d.net/news/cpu_mainboard/amd_reaffirms_commitment_to_am4_socket_until_2020/1. The use of the word "until" is very important, and they likely chose that word for a reason. Much like ISP's like to use the magical words "up to" to avoid the mighty reach of the FTC. They delivered on that promise, seeing as Zen 3 was released in Q4 of 2020 and wasn't readil
  8. I recall hearing about that as well, I just don't remember where. Still, it's definitely possible for them to do it, and we all know that AGESA support for Zen 1 exists in 1.0.0.4 (which technically launched on X570 boards, meaning they had the AGESA foundation to support the CPU's), it's just curious as to why nobody decided to actually implement the support.
  9. I honestly don't think it's a VRM issue. An overbuilt VRM on Ryzen is utterly pointless with AMD's EDC and PPT limits in-place in terms of CPU overclocking short of pushing LN2. You have boards with massive 300A current limits, but a 142W PPT socket limit that you can't overcome. Even if you define a higher value using motherboard values instead of CPU values, something internal to the CPU still ends up limiting you to roughly the same power draw. I'd almost wager you could get away with using an A320 board and still not kill the VRM on a board, I just wouldn't be dumb enough to try it myself,
  10. Fair point. I don't believe the size issue is irrelevant, but I also don't believe it's the primary issue either. There are some boards where the size of the AGESA will be an issue, particularly boards with 32mb or less ROM's. Does this mean it will impact every board? No, not by any means. The issue I believe would likely impact every board is the SMU firmware version and the inability to downgrade once upgraded. It's a dangerous game to play letting people update the SMU to handle the boost/voltage behavior of these CPU's and their core functions only to realize something isn'
  11. Isn't everyone in this thread just making assumptions? People are assuming AMD is doing this out of greed or malice without questioning if they have valid motives for doing so. I gave you some insight on the breakdown of the bios structure, but if you legitimately need a breakdown of the AGESA size, that won't be hard to provide. AMIBCP is readily available online to view the structure of these bioses and UEFITool will show you the extracted ROM sizes. Still, I doubt you'll be satisfied knowing the sizes given the fact that you still believe AMD has no say in how their own product
  12. It also worked for GOG. I've spent more time on DOS2 and Baldurs Gate 3 (as well as my DRM free copies of the Witcher series) than I have playing anything on Steam as of late (with the exception of King's Quest). It worked so well, people kept giving CDPR the benefit of the doubt with CyberPunk and the delays. Though sadly, even that level of blind faith in a company couldn't save them from the release of that game, lol.
  13. The flipside of this analogy is that if you expect to establish repeat customers, constantly giving away liquor and establishing exclusive deals with various alcohol imports will end up tanking your bar before you get a solid foothold. Then you'll end up on an episode of Bar Rescue with John Tapper yelling at you in front of a camera with his chunky hotdog fingers pointing at your face. I don't think everyone is against the idea of EGS being successful, or for Steam to have solid competition in this field. I'd argue that if you ask your average gamer, they'd tell you they do not ca
  14. Now that you mention it, I do recall seeing icons for Xbox and Playstation in Dauntless, so I stand corrected on this. Hopefully they keep this trend up, as consoles being as heavily based on X86 as they are now, there isn't much of an excuse not to push for cross-platform play, especially with their adoption of Keyboard/Mouse support eliminating the "unfair advantage" excuse. I have many console friends that I'd like to play with, and the recent hardware crisis would be further alleviated if people could play their games on a console as a stopgap measure. Since EGS owns Unreal Engine, they ar
  15. 90% isn't as gross of an overestimate as one might think when it comes to AMD's BIOS structure. AGESA in and of itself stands for "AMD's Generic Encapsulated System Architecture" and it's the foundation for which all modern AMD BIOS's are built. It's for this reason that you have common structures across all vendors (CBS, PBS, etc). Board partners can define additional parameters such as which voltage rails to provide access to (VDDP for instance isn't available on all boards, but manufacturers can allow access to it as it's not a requirement to provide access to this rail in the base AGESA fi
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