Are we pirates?

[Guest]

reffering to this topic on r/pcmasterrace:

I don't understand why getting rid of all this crap, flashy and disturbing content is bad?

Some advert are strictly abussive for young people. Some of them are crazy irritating. They all are stealing our time, bandwidth and data.

 

What are your take on this?

Do you use adblockers?

[lewdicrous]

This guy taught me, and others, how to be pirates.

[GorujoCY]

9 minutes ago, summoned said:

reffering to this topic on r/pcmasterrace:

I don't understand why getting rid of all this crap, flashy and disturbing content is bad?

Some advert are strictly abussive for young people. Some of them are crazy irritating. They all are stealing our time, bandwidth and data.

 

What are your take on this?

Do you use adblockers?

Now I'm gonna be the lead here and say that's a controversial take over here to bring up.

 

I'll go with my Personal thoughts and as always everyone else's thought are different

 

so here's my take:

here's the thing, YouTube tends to have the tendency as always to not pay the money sometimes of course but it can happen, there was a situation where a youtuber Named Nux Taku, YouTube owes him or maybe owed him 1k dollars from the revenue but YouTube never gave it to him causing him frustration considering he spends thousands of dollars in his videos and Heavily relies on sponsors like Linus does.

The problem with ads though is that as many said, Especially with YouTube things can be said like, They could be annoyed with YouTube giving double unskippable ads, even worse ads that should not be on the platform in the first place and then there's the Data privacy concerns for those conscious people like SomeOrdinaryGamer and Mental Outlaw.

 

Ironic Thing is that I have a dream where I wanna recreate the advertisement platform where Creators and Consumers alike get paid a certain percentage of the revenue then everyone wins, but making that I need to learn business skills, and dive more into coding not to mention potentially extensions and finding ways to intergrate that, maybe with USD Coin Cryptocurrency.

 

 

[Hairless Monkey Boy]

It is the "exact same thing" in terms of it's effect on creators and online websites.

[PDifolco]

It's not comparable *at all*, cause it's legit... 

[dkoudijs]

Yes we are pirates.

Now as some one with businesss sense knows you try to spread out where your income comes from.

- Selling product

- Ads

- Spondors (which really isa type of add)

- Donation (Patreon)

- Subscrition model

 

Now the reason most of us use adblockers is for cleaner browsing.

I find the ads get in the way of the browsing expericance, but hey to each there own.

 

Oh yea and I'm sure buying one product from a youtuber will gain them more money from me than a lifetime of me watching youtube.

I would like to see the numbers on that actually if anyone has the profit from prodcut vs. profit from ads?

[onlybuilt4cubanxlinx]

You might want to reevaluate that avenue of income. Fucking hypocrites. 

[Biohazard777]

For full context:

https://twitter.com/LinusTech/status/1486925588199718912?cxt=HHwWgICqwbi8z6IpAAAA

 

[Middcore]

8 minutes ago, summoned said:

I don't understand why getting rid of all this crap, flashy and disturbing content is bad?

 

Because in many cases it's how the creators of content you like get paid and how websites you like are able to stay running.

 

I'm not telling you to use an adblocker or not use an adblocker. But it's not as simple as "ads bad." Nobody likes ads, but nobody has yet been able to come up with a way to completely replace them. 

[Alvin853]

With ads comes a lot of tracking, gathering personal information and preferences, and so on... Plus some users are on limited data plans, especially mobile, I'm paying for my limited data, why should I be using that limited data to load ads? The real pirates are the companies serving ads, they rip everybody off

[RockSolid1106]

20 minutes ago, summoned said:

What are your take on this?

Do you use adblockers?

I don't use adblockers. I feel I should be helping the creators with the little money they earn by me watching the ad. They put effort into that video, and they deserve it. I'm sure you or I wouldn't like if your/my viewers used adblockers and I/you got less revenue for all the effort I/you put into making that video.

 

That said, I do skip sponsor segments as they are a mere waste of time for me, I know that I'm not going to buy what they're promoting.

[adarw]

using an ad blocker is just like using a firewall, i dont want certain content when i browse the Internet, piracy is totally different, its just plain stealing software. so no not the same.

[Princess Luna]

Simple as that:
https://torrentfreak.com/adblocking-does-not-constitute-copyright-infringement-court-rules-220118/

[GorujoCY]

5 minutes ago, NastyFlytrap said:

I really dont think its the same.

This is yet another instance of LMG being dumber and dumber every day.

YES adblocking deprives them of money, BUT, NO, its NOT the same as piracy. 

When you're pirating you're literally stealing a thing. It doesnt matter if its a loaf of bread of a set of bits arranged in a specific way, but you are stealing something, a thing, that exists, and is defined.

With adblocking, you're just getting rid of stupid nasty crap, with the intention of making your browsing suck less, being apathetic towards the harm you're causing to the site owners.

Two things:
1: With piracy, you are stealing something tangible, with adblocking you arent stealing anything, Its not theft.
2: Piracy is done with the intent of watching something without paying. Adblocking is done so you dont have to look at stupid shit, and the site owners not getting paid is a side effect thats not intentional, but we are just apathetic towards that. The emphasis here, is on INTENT. With pirating, you are intending to steal, with adblocking, you are NOT intending to bankrupt the site owners, your intent is to get rid of the nasty crap. INTENT, is the keyword.

I agree, I still don't get why Linus is furious about people blocking ads

I've stated the reasons why People tend to block ads especially on YouTube, and they are usually for a good reason.

have an example of mine here:

28 minutes ago, GorujoCY said:

The problem with ads though is that as many said, Especially with YouTube things can be said like, They could be annoyed with YouTube giving double unskippable ads, even worse ads that should not be on the platform in the first place and then there's the Data privacy concerns for those conscious people like SomeOrdinaryGamer and Mental Outlaw.

But i would say since the Pi-hole Video, he is correct, Guys please buy merch if you want to support him, I personally don't have the financial JUST Yet but when I soon do and I need new merch I definitely will consider ordering there

[jaslion]

We are depriving them from a revenue stream yes that is correct. But then again the whole reason adblocking became a thing was because websites were getting too many ads, ads that got in the way, ads that ruined the browsing experience, ads that ate away at bandwith, ads that were really heavy on recources,... so people found a solution to not have to deal with it anymore.

 

It's like streaming and stuff too. For a lot of people having ads in the way pushed them to finally go to streaming service or do like others and just record the show and watch it later fast forwarding the ads. Tv providers didn't like that so they started making skipping ads in recordings impossible so what did people do? Move to different sources.

 

It's basically a story as old as time. If something is annoying enough people will eventually find a solution.

[Helpful Tech Witch]

2 minutes ago, adarw said:

using an ad blocker is just like using a firewall, i dont want certain content when i browse the Internet, piracy is totally different, its just plain stealing software. so no not the same.

But it is

You are paying for a certain digital thing with money and you use it without paying its piracy

You are paying for use of say, YouTube or the forum here, but instead of money you pay with your viewership instead. Using it without viewing the ads has the same effect, using a service without payment.

[Middcore]

6 minutes ago, NastyFlytrap said:

When you're pirating you're literally stealing a thing. It doesnt matter if its a loaf of bread of a set of bits arranged in a specific way, but you are stealing something, a thing, that exists, and is defined.

 

Well, no, you're not "literally stealing a thing" when you pirate a movie or something either. It doesn't go away when you pirate it. It doesn't preclude the possibility of someone else seeing that content. You're just consuming the content without paying the fee that the owners of the content want in exchange for the right to consume it. By contrast if I steal a loaf of bread nobody else can buy it and eat it.

 

Now with ads it's murkier because the process isn't as simple as the content creator simply saying "Pay this amount of money to see what I made." But with ad-blocking the end result of the content creator losing revenue from their content is the same. Is it morally equivalent to piracy? That's debatable. 

 

Note I'm not saying here that piracy is right or wrong, I'm just saying that in an effort to make ad-blocking sound better, you've made piracy sound worse in a pretty illogical way.

 

1 minute ago, GorujoCY said:

I agree, I still don't get why Linus is furious about people blocking adsI

 

He's not. People are furious at him for stating the fact (maybe not in the most diplomatic way) that ad-blocking takes money out of the pockets of content creators you like, though - it's not as simple as just "fuck all these corporations."

[BobVonBob]

I think the intent of piracy and adblocking are usually different, but I agree the results are functionally identical.

 

That said, I'm going to keep using an adblocker. I can't have one installed on my work computer, and damn near every single interaction with the web is very noticeably worse because of it. Unless that changes I just can't see myself browsing the web without an adblocker.

[dalekphalm]

38 minutes ago, summoned said:

reffering to this topic on r/pcmasterrace:

I don't understand why getting rid of all this crap, flashy and disturbing content is bad?

Some advert are strictly abussive for young people. Some of them are crazy irritating. They all are stealing our time, bandwidth and data.

 

What are your take on this?

Do you use adblockers?

The ads being shitty doesn't preclude adblocking of still essentially being piracy.

 

Linus is right - everyone - especially in the tech sphere - should know by now that websites and content creators are largely compensated via ad revenue.

 

If you're gonna use Adblock on YouTube while watching your favourite content creator? Sure. You can do that. But just own up what you're doing.

 

With that in mind, I do use Adblock, but I use it as a first defense. If I find a site I regularly use and like, I whitelist the site immediately. That includes LTT forums and YouTube.

 

Of course, if you compensate the creator in some other way (eg: regular Merch orders, donations, patreon, Floatplane, etc), it makes the piracy not really an issue, but it's still there.

[SolarNova]

All i have to say on the subject is....

 

 

 

[wanderingfool2]

19 minutes ago, PDifolco said:

It's not comparable *at all*, cause it's legit... 

I mean, you can view tons of movies for the price of one.  All you have to do is buy a single ticket for the movie theatre and instead of leaving just walk into the next movie.  That's totally legit you know.  Sarcasm aside, there are plenty of websites that have likely failed overtime because enough userbase used ad-blockers.

 

Actually, if enough of the community had used ad-blockers there likely wouldn't have been a LinusTechTips (speculation based on how poor they were at the beginning stages).

 

1 minute ago, GorujoCY said:

I agree, I still don't get why Linus is furious about people blocking ads

I've stated the reasons why People tend to block ads especially on YouTube, and they are usually for a good reason.

have an example of mine here:

Saying he is furious is quite the stretch.  Yes, people have their reasons to block ads, but at the same time people can't whine about the experience getting worse or getting more ads forced upon them when things like this happen.  It's simple economics.

 

Without Ads, we wouldn't have Google, without ads we wouldn't have Youtube (even with ads it was losing money like crazy for a while).

 

8 minutes ago, NastyFlytrap said:

I really dont think its the same.

This is yet another instance of LMG being dumber and dumber every day.

YES adblocking deprives them of money, BUT, NO, its NOT the same as piracy. 

When you're pirating you're literally stealing a thing. It doesnt matter if its a loaf of bread of a set of bits arranged in a specific way, but you are stealing something, a thing, that exists, and is defined.

With adblocking, you're just getting rid of stupid nasty crap, with the intention of making your browsing suck less, being apathetic towards the harm you're causing to the site owners.

Two things:
1: With piracy, you are stealing something tangible, with adblocking you arent stealing anything, Its not theft.
2: Piracy is done with the intent of watching something without paying. Adblocking is done so you dont have to look at stupid shit, and the site owners not getting paid is a side effect thats not intentional, but we are just apathetic towards that. The emphasis here, is on INTENT. With pirating, you are intending to steal, with adblocking, you are NOT intending to bankrupt the site owners, your intent is to get rid of the nasty crap. INTENT, is the keyword.

It depends, piracy in terms of content consumption isn't always well defined and there will always be lines in the sand that are drawn.  Under your logic I can use a friend's Netflix password and it shouldn't count as piracy since it's not something tangible.  Or you know what, all digital media is fair game to download because it's not tangible.

 

I find it actually a bit ridiculous that so many people seem to be up in arms, and saying things like how LMG is getting dumber, and yet people like you can't grasp the big highlight of what the meaning of the tweet was...here is a hint...I'll bold it for you

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Ppl will still do it and I've been guilty of it at times, but we just need to be aware of the impact

Being aware of the impact, I feel, is the major sticking point that Linus is trying to make.  Do I think adblocking is piracy, not really but it really is akin to it.

 

So here's a hint, if a website has really annoying ads, then don't go it it.  Simple as that, how quickly the internet would change if everyone went by the principle.

 

Let's list things that wouldn't exist today if everyone used ad-block (or likely would be forced paid services sites)

YouTube

Google (dead before it even became a thing)

Facebook no more

LMG

The list goes on.

 

The modern internet was effectively built off of ads.  Remove them and we quickly spiral into scenarios where everything becomes a paid service, and only really established players can survive (because they can build a cheaper service)

[Middcore]

4 minutes ago, summoned said:

It is fine if you a creator fan, and you are able to sacrifice more of your time/data/name it to grow the compensation.

 

I love LTT, i watch every single video for last 5 years.

 

Well, your love doesn't put food on the employees' tables.

 

4 minutes ago, summoned said:

I am using adblock everywhere becouse i hate ads. They drives me crazy so, in my case, i am sacrifacing my own health which i don't want to.

 

Come now. Let's not be melodramatic. 

[SignatureSigner]

Should just abandon ads and use arc

https://arc.io/

[Middcore]

Just now, summoned said:

Yeah your right, sorry, let's suffer

 

If seeing adds upsets you enough that it affects your health, the problem isn't the ads. 

[dalekphalm]

9 minutes ago, summoned said:

Yeah your right, sorry, let's suffer

Do you support LMG in some other way?

 

Do you subscribe to Floatplane or YouTube Premium instead?

 

I'm not saying you can't adblock them - clearly you can, and it's not like you're killing puppies. As long as you do realize that the agreement between LMG and the viewer is "we make this for free and you watch ads".