COVID-19 - READ THE RULES BEFORE REPLYING

[lewdicrous]

1 hour ago, Big Nav said:

what specifically did they do to manipulate the graph?

Some articles on the matter.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/05/20/us/florida-georgia-covid-19-test-data/index.html

https://www.businessinsider.com/states-manipulate-coronavirus-data-reopen-2020-5?amp

https://www.chicagotribune.com/coronavirus/ct-nw-coronavirus-world-updates-20200519-iqzdgsehzfdrdpubpayrayskpy-story.html?outputType=amp

https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/medical-advances/498521-georgia-department-of-health-under-fire-for?amp

https://www.foxnews.com/us/georgia-health-department-apologize-coronavirus-data-gaffe-processing-error.amp

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2020-05-18/georgia-coronavirus-numbers-reopening-manipulated-data-brian-kemp?_amp=true

[Big Nav]

24 minutes ago, lewdicrous said:

Some articles on the matter.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/05/20/us/florida-georgia-covid-19-test-data/index.html

https://www.businessinsider.com/states-manipulate-coronavirus-data-reopen-2020-5?amp

https://www.chicagotribune.com/coronavirus/ct-nw-coronavirus-world-updates-20200519-iqzdgsehzfdrdpubpayrayskpy-story.html?outputType=amp

https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/medical-advances/498521-georgia-department-of-health-under-fire-for?amp

https://www.foxnews.com/us/georgia-health-department-apologize-coronavirus-data-gaffe-processing-error.amp

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2020-05-18/georgia-coronavirus-numbers-reopening-manipulated-data-brian-kemp?_amp=true

Really your 1st source is CNN the network that has walked back more fake new and flat out lies......

[Big Nav]

your sources are all junk, they never mention how many anti-body test where lumped into the infected tally.

[lewdicrous]

6 minutes ago, Big Nav said:

Really your 1st source is CNN the network that has walked back more fake new and flat out lies......

Is that all you have to say about it?

I kept more than one article for you to choose from, CNN just happened to be the first one. If you don't like one of them, then look for a news outlet that you like, either in that list or on Google.

1 minute ago, Big Nav said:

your sources are all junk, they never mention how many anti-body test where lumped into the infected tally.

Then look for better sources.

[Big Nav]

I did, after you brought this to my attention. It was 231. and that graph was pretty messed up, I think a drunk man put it together lol

Correction, your fox news link did mention the 231 test lumped into the positive test results. not much of a scandal, what is 0.005775% of the total confirmed cases not enough to change any projections.

[lewdicrous]

6 minutes ago, Big Nav said:

I did, after you brought this to my attention. It was 231. and that graph was pretty messed up, I think a drunk man put it together lol

That's mentioned in two of the articles in the list I posted. 

 

I don't know how someone can fuck up that badly, but damn..

They need a mathematician to supervise them.

[Big Nav]

 

They are by no means 'out of the woods' but they have been trending downwards which is a very positive sign!

[NumLock21]

https://cbs12.com/news/local/woman-who-designed-floridas-covid-19-dashboard-has-been-removed-from-her-position

[Big Nav]

15 minutes ago, NumLock21 said:

https://cbs12.com/news/local/woman-who-designed-floridas-covid-19-dashboard-has-been-removed-from-her-position

the plot thickens, this was the 1st I've seen she is under criminal investigation. What I did read earlier seamed to elude there was more going on then what was originally being reported. And what was reported was very vague - I never seen any specifics on what she was 'pressured to change'. It will be interesting to see where this goes.

[captain_to_fire]

“Ah Yes! I Was Wondering What Would Break First. Your Lungs... Or Your Blood Vessels?... I came fulfill MERS-Cov’s destiny.” 

https://www.wired.com/story/bane-masks-covid-19/

[Lii]

15 hours ago, lewdicrous said:

Some articles on the matter.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/05/20/us/florida-georgia-covid-19-test-data/index.html

https://www.businessinsider.com/states-manipulate-coronavirus-data-reopen-2020-5?amp

https://www.chicagotribune.com/coronavirus/ct-nw-coronavirus-world-updates-20200519-iqzdgsehzfdrdpubpayrayskpy-story.html?outputType=amp

https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/medical-advances/498521-georgia-department-of-health-under-fire-for?amp

https://www.foxnews.com/us/georgia-health-department-apologize-coronavirus-data-gaffe-processing-error.amp

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2020-05-18/georgia-coronavirus-numbers-reopening-manipulated-data-brian-kemp?_amp=true

so besides a few states like germany, skore, taiwan and co

the other ones are in deep shit, and also are starting to lying to keep going the "economy" (without neitheri trying to improve their position in any better (like italy))

 

anyway there is some sort of database where you can verify if your mask is legit or not (via a track code)

and also that sees if that mask was already selled or not? (for what I know, the mask could also been borrowed from the trash and repacked to look as "new")

[lewdicrous]

53 minutes ago, Xvaster said:

anyway there is some sort of database where you can verify if your mask is legit or not (via a track code)

and also that sees if that mask was already selled or not? (for what I know, the mask could also been borrowed from the trash and repacked to look as "new")

Haven't heard of people selling used masks, but if you're worried about that, then I suggest buying from a trusted brand and/or from a trusted store/pharmacy. 

Otherwise you can make your own mask at home. There are a bunch of tutorials available online, some require sewing, while others don't. Choose whichever one you're comfortable with. 

[Rakanoth]

"More than 40 diagnosed with COVID-19 after Frankfurt church service": 

https://news.trust.org/item/20200523134545-hjpes/

 

Isn’t the point of slowly reopening that we are ok with some increased infections? The goal is to not overwhelm hospitals, so the fact these folks were identified means everything is working properly. And it’s evidence that slowly opening is working ok.

 

The problem in February is these people weren’t identified and kept infecting others.

 

People are just disagreeing on what slowly reopening looks like. In this case people are worried that 40 people were infected in one place. That’s a pretty high rate for one spot. You might consider it a hot spot. The problem with hotspots is that they affect the places that are not hot spots as well and could likely cause another lockdown.

 

"Dr. Anthony Fauci says staying closed for too long could cause irreparable damage":

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/05/22/dr-anthony-fauci-says-staying-closed-for-too-long-could-cause-irreparable-damage.html

 

Could cause irreparable damage? It already has. All the lost hours of learning and playing that kids will never get back. All of the families torn apart by deaths of despair. All of the businesses we’ll never be able to visit again. All of the lives lost because access to basic, necessary preventative care was cut off.

 

What the hell is going on? It seems the tide has really started to turn with the lockdown.

 

And of course the people who worship at Fauci’s feet will now call him a fraud and a hack.

 

Doomers demand total trust in the scientists and experts... that is, of course, until they say something positive or optimistic.

 

The most irreparable being nobody’s going to believe a word the government says the next time there actually IS an emergency.

[Commodus]

45 minutes ago, Rakanoth said:

"Dr. Anthony Fauci says staying closed for too long could cause irreparable damage":

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/05/22/dr-anthony-fauci-says-staying-closed-for-too-long-could-cause-irreparable-damage.html

 

Could cause irreparable damage? It already has. All the lost hours of learning and playing that kids will never get back. All of the families torn apart by deaths of despair. All of the businesses we’ll never be able to visit again. All of the lives lost because access to basic, necessary preventative care was cut off.

 

What the hell is going on? It seems the tide has really started to turn with the lockdown.

 

And of course the people who worship at Fauci’s feet will now call him a fraud and a hack.

 

Doomers demand total trust in the scientists and experts... that is, of course, until they say something positive or optimistic.

 

The most irreparable being nobody’s going to believe a word the government says the next time there actually IS an emergency.

I don't see anything to disagree with from Fauci.  He's right that too-lengthy lockdowns could do harm; he's also been right about cautioning against opening too soon, and for easing measures very carefully.  He has always wanted responsible lockdown measures, unlike you.

 

Also, it's highly ironic that you whine about "doomers" (which don't really exist here) yet resort to your own unsupported doom-and-gloom claims about what the lockdown has done.  Large-scale suicide!  People denied access to basic preventative care!  Where's the evidence for this?  And why is that worse than the risk of people being unable to get treatment if hospitals are too full of COVID-19 patients?

 

Plenty of people do and will continue to believe the government, because this is an actual emergency.  The US is approaching 100,000 deaths (plus many more hospitalized) from an untreatable disease in the space of a few months; I'm pretty sure that's a crisis.  There will be pandemic deniers who'll insist this was all a sinister scheme, but they'll be in the minority.

[WkdPaul]

1 hour ago, Rakanoth said:

All of the families torn apart by deaths of despair. All of the businesses we’ll never be able to visit again. All of the lives lost because access to basic, necessary preventative care was cut off.

 

What the hell is going on? It seems the tide has really started to turn with the lockdown.

 

And of course the people who worship at Fauci’s feet will now call him a fraud and a hack.

 

Doomers demand total trust in the scientists and experts... that is, of course, until they say something positive or optimistic.

 

The most irreparable being nobody’s going to believe a word the government says the next time there actually IS an emergency.

This is seriously getting old, could you stop with the disingenuous and doomsday comments?

 

If you're not willing to participate responsibly, as per the rules stated in this thread, you might be blocked from posting in the thread (like others before you).

 

If experts say it's time we reopen, then we should, you saying that the people in favors of lockdowns think it should be perpetual and that they don't care about the economy or the social effects is getting tiring and is, as I just mentioned, disingenuous. So please, start discussing within the stated rules, or you'll be forced to voice your opinion elsewhere.

[Andreas Lilja]

Canada Post has a huge backlog due to Covid. Relevant picture by an anonymous employee: 

 

https://m1.quebecormedia.com/emp/emp/Colis1bdc2e74-43d0-48ef-9c12-bbd26f0af984_ORIGINAL.jpg?impolicy=crop-resize&x=0&y=0&w=1920&h=1080&width=1200

 

I'm still waiting for a March 31th order.

 

Source in French: https://www.journaldemontreal.com/2020/05/23/postes-canada-croule-sous-les-colis-1

 

 

[Big Nav]

1 hour ago, Commodus said:

Plenty of people do and will continue to believe the government, because this is an actual emergency.  The US is approaching 100,000 deaths (plus many more hospitalized) from an untreatable disease in the space of a few months; I'm pretty sure that's a crisis.  There will be pandemic deniers who'll insist this was all a sinister scheme, but they'll be in the minority.

could you elaborate on what you mean, I am unaware of anyone who believes this outbreak was a sinister scheme.

[SolarNova]

41 minutes ago, wkdpaul said:

This is seriously getting old, could you stop with the disingenuous and doomsday comments?

 

If you're not willing to participate responsibly, as per the rules stated in this thread, you might be blocked from posting in the thread (like others before you).

 

If experts say it's time we reopen, then we should, you saying that the people in favors of lockdowns think it should be perpetual and that they don't care about the economy or the social effects is getting tiring and is, as I just mentioned, disingenuous. So please, start discussing within the stated rules, or you'll be forced to voice your opinion elsewhere.

 

On 3/21/2020 at 12:46 PM, wkdpaul said:

Do not be dismissive toward other's fears or concerns.

 

[mr moose]

18 minutes ago, SolarNova said:

Quoted seemingly contradictiv posts by wdpaul)

 

The problem here is that, over almost the entirety of this thread rakanoth has posted the same post.  The first 5-6 times it was politely rebutted with pertinent evidence and rational considerations.  After that it was just the same message slightly reworded every time and every time the content is easily shown to be nothing more than his desire to argue a single point.    Now I have been temp banned for certain posts that were considered to be dismissive of others fears, So if anyone would be against this sort of moderation approach it should be me, however this is not being dismissive, this is asking rakonoth to consider either finding something more substantial to post or to stop posting the same thing.

[PhantomJaguarr]

I broke my routine and went to walk at the beach. For the most part, at least on the sand, people kept their distance and kept walking/jogging along. It was intriguing to see the changed animal behavior in the sea gulls. There was none flying over us like the usual craziness. They congregated by trash cans when they were being changed though.

 

Currently I’m waiting for my order at one of my reopened restaurants by the boardwalk I used to frequent at.

[WkdPaul]

2 hours ago, SolarNova said:

*snips*

He's repeating the same thing since the last 10 pages or so, people , including myself have discussed and offer counter points, and I myself even agreed with him on multiple points.

 

He pretty much ignored 90% of the rebuttals and has continued to portrayed people agreeing with government and experts recommendation as nothing more than bootlickers and as wanting "perpetual quarantine", this was corrected on multiple occasions but he keeps making those points.

 

His fears and concerns aren't dismissed, most of us agreed with the fact that a quarantine isn't sustainable and there ARE consequences. So, who is being dismissive here?

 

You can take some time and go back 10 pages or so, none of his replies were removed (that I know of), and multiple people debated with him (or tried), but he doesn't seem to be listening.

 

Being dismissive about the fears and concerns of other, is also about people being afraid of a hasty reopening. So, can we PLEASE have a level headed discussion, and listen to the other side of the argument instead of trying to win points? If you, or anyone in this thread is in it "to prove they're right", I suggest leaving.

Edited May 24, 2020 by wkdpaul

[lewdicrous]

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31208-3/fulltext

A giant leap forward, hopefully. 

[lewdicrous]

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/may/21/groups-fossil-fuel-funding-urge-states-reopen-amid-pandemic

Quote

Dozens of individuals and groups urging states to reopen amid the Covid-19 pandemic have historical financial ties to coal and oil and gas companies and conservative billionaires who have invested in climate disinformation.

Past funders of the current critics of stay-at-home orders include the bankrupt coal company Murray Energy and oil giant ExxonMobil, as well as Koch and Mercer family foundations, according to DeSmog, a group that tracks the money behind anti-climate-action campaigns.

The "yea, no shit" bells are ringin'

[lewdicrous]

5 hours ago, Big Nav said:

could you elaborate on what you mean, I am unaware of anyone who believes this outbreak was a sinister scheme.

Some people believe(d) that it's from 5G towers, other believe(d) that it's a bioweapon and/or that it leaked from a lab.

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/05/22/860947708/1-in-5-in-england-think-the-coronavirus-is-a-hoax

https://www.voanews.com/covid-19-pandemic/australia-parliament-debunks-5g-covid-19-conspiracy-theory?amp

https://www.thejakartapost.com/amp/news/2020/05/21/half-of-canadians-fooled-by-covid-19-conspiracy-theories-study.html

https://m.economictimes.com/magazines/panache/is-covid-19-a-bioweapon-five-conspiracy-theories-around-coronavirus-that-will-shock-you/the-biggest-humanitarian-crisis/slideshow/74870568.cms

https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2020/04/29/covid19-and-conspiracy-theories-a-chinese-virus-or-a-bio-weapon/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/04/26/no-coronavirus-is-not-biological-weapon/?outputType=amp

https://www.smh.com.au/national/how-conspiracy-theories-about-covid-19-went-viral-20200318-p54bhm.html

 

[Delving into politics, kinda]

Spoiler

Some republicans/right-leaning folks believe(d) that this is/was a hoax elaborated by the democrats/left-leaning folks to ruin the election, amongst other things. 

https://www.inquirer.com/opinion/coronavirus-covid-trump-plandemic-obamagate-bill-gates-conspiracy-20200521.html?outputType=amp

https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/2020/5/18/21262403/eric-trump-jeanine-pirro-coronavirus-hoax

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/04/coronavirus-conspiracies-charged-conservative-media-fox-news/amp

 

 

If you don't like any of the links that I posted, then you're free to look for more. This is by no means a comprehensive list.

[Big Nav]

1 hour ago, lewdicrous said:

Some people believe(d) that it's from 5G towers, other believe(d) that it's a bioweapon and/or that it leaked from a lab.

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/05/22/860947708/1-in-5-in-england-think-the-coronavirus-is-a-hoax

https://www.voanews.com/covid-19-pandemic/australia-parliament-debunks-5g-covid-19-conspiracy-theory?amp

https://www.thejakartapost.com/amp/news/2020/05/21/half-of-canadians-fooled-by-covid-19-conspiracy-theories-study.html

https://m.economictimes.com/magazines/panache/is-covid-19-a-bioweapon-five-conspiracy-theories-around-coronavirus-that-will-shock-you/the-biggest-humanitarian-crisis/slideshow/74870568.cms

https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2020/04/29/covid19-and-conspiracy-theories-a-chinese-virus-or-a-bio-weapon/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/04/26/no-coronavirus-is-not-biological-weapon/?outputType=amp

https://www.smh.com.au/national/how-conspiracy-theories-about-covid-19-went-viral-20200318-p54bhm.html

 

[Delving into politics, kinda]

  Reveal hidden contents

Some republicans/right-leaning folks believe(d) that this is/was a hoax elaborated by the democrats/left-leaning folks to ruin the election, amongst other things. 

https://www.inquirer.com/opinion/coronavirus-covid-trump-plandemic-obamagate-bill-gates-conspiracy-20200521.html?outputType=amp

https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/2020/5/18/21262403/eric-trump-jeanine-pirro-coronavirus-hoax

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/04/coronavirus-conspiracies-charged-conservative-media-fox-news/amp

 

 

If you don't like any of the links that I posted, then you're free to look for more. This is by no means a comprehensive list.

LMFAO..... I got a guy at work that tried to tell me that garbage. and I told him: look 5G is new technology and will only be introduced to large population areas, and if an infection rate is 50% for arguments sake, the larger the population the more people reported as being infected, that's how numbers and percentages work.