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USA - EARN IT Act Will Weaken Online Privacy, Wins 22-0 Pre-Vote

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8 hours ago, mr moose said:

I don't trust the EFF either, they are a lobby group and just as bad.   Just because someone appears to have your best interests at heart doesn't men they aren't lying through their teeth.  

Well, I have found that when it comes to these kinds of manners, you usually tend to side with those that wants to restrict personal freedoms and privacy. So I am not surprised that you don't believe the EFF.

If you want to choose to not believe excellently written articles with plenty of citations where you can just visit and read the exact quotes for yourself then that's up to you.

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I guess I should use more EU based applications?
 

48 minutes ago, Sauron said:

China might actually make them pay taxes so maybe not.

Or none at all if they sell some of their CPU architecture.

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And what happens when someone finds that back door, and collects all of congresses text messages and publishes them?

 

Why does it have to negatively impact them for any actual sensible action to be taken?

Ketchup is better than mustard.

GUI is better than Command Line Interface.

Dubs are better than subs

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35 minutes ago, Trik'Stari said:

And what happens when someone finds that back door, and collects all of congresses text messages and publishes them?

 

Why does it have to negatively impact them for any actual sensible action to be taken?

Given how many pedos are in positions of power in America, I'm surprised they're passing this. Or maybe they're trying to make themselves look better and make everyone forget that Epstein did not kill himself.

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8 hours ago, huilun02 said:

Is this the same country that said Huawei, of all Chinese companies, is a national security risk?

Yup and the cheeto is president 

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9 hours ago, Aereldor said:

TFW when in its most populous state (Cali), a consensual relationship between an 18-year-old and 17-year-old can get the older in prison for several years and sex offender registration for up to eternity. The rabbithole with this article is mind boggling.

less I am wrong here in californa you can be 1 year apart in age and it is legal.

 

another shitty bill that I get to call my rep about and say don't pass it.

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1 hour ago, Trik'Stari said:

And what happens when someone finds that back door, and collects all of congresses text messages and publishes them?

 

Why does it have to negatively impact them for any actual sensible action to be taken?

 

I've got a hunch that devices belonging to the Federal Government will be exempt from this due to national security reasons.

 

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5 hours ago, Zodiark1593 said:

Not often I see American politicians so united. Unfortunately, it had to be this, and not in the Pandemic response. 
 

Should this pass, I would like to see more development of FOSS peer to peer encrypted messaging. Pretty much legislation-proof unless they somehow make it illegal to run unvetted code. The decentralization of messaging should give the middle finger these old farts need.
 

Should also push Apple to open up iOS as well to facilitate this, as there would be a very legitimate need to do so. Heck, this is a pipe dream, but if Apple open sourced iMessage to give the gov the bird, I’d be rather thrilled. 
 

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10 hours ago, Aereldor said:

The act seeks funding of upwards of $5 billion to combat online child sexual abuse.

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1 hour ago, linkboy said:

 

I've got a hunch that devices belonging to the Federal Government will be exempt from this due to national security reasons.

 

If I was a manufacturer, I would conveniently overlook that and push the backdoor to them anyways. Malicious compliance.

 

Fuck em. Not like they'd be around by the time courts got through my shock and awe amounts of lawyers.

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10 hours ago, Aereldor said:

very American

I challenge that perception. Its very Political and I have seen it in every major country's politicians.

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6 minutes ago, SansVarnic said:

I challenge that perception. Its very Political and I have seen it in every major country's politicians.

It's like our politicians collectively have a pandemic of stupid.

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Yes, let's protect the children by labeling everyone a criminal and then the children as criminals when they touch a phone or computer... [/s]

 

I'm getting increasingly tired of this power grab bullshit. This is why I'm preferential to a direct democracy. 

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What’s confusing me is it’s a bad idea when the DFL tries it how is it a good idea when the GOP tries it?  It’s basically the same idea.  A pretty dangerous one it looks like from here that looks like an even worse idea now than it did then. 

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To be fair, don't act like your information isn't being taken by Google, FB etc - and the government anyway. This just makes it easier. 

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10 minutes ago, ARikozuM said:

Yes, let's protect the children by labeling everyone a criminal and then the children as criminals when they touch a phone or computer... 

 

I'm getting increasingly tired of this power grab bullshit. This is why I'm preferential to a direct democracy. 

It seems to me that they need a reminder that they work FOR us, not over us. We need to get a petition going to recall ALL of congress.

 

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What’s confusing me is it’s a bad idea when the DFL tries it how is it a good idea when the GOP tries it?  It’s basically the same idea.  A pretty dangerous one it looks like from here that looks like an even worse idea now than it did then. 

It's a fucking stupid idea regardless of who is doing it.

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It seems to me that they need a reminder that they work FOR us, not over us. We need to get a petition going to recall ALL of congress.

Not even a recall. Dissolve the Senate and use a direct democracy for all House-passed legislation or use an official social media or voting system to ensure that the Senators and Reps vote in-line with their constituents rather than rely on phoning them to "voice your concerns".

 

Fuck it. Hose them down with official polling and fine/punish the ever-loving shit out of them for not voting with their populace. 

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1 minute ago, JustAnotherOverClocker said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto_Wars

Doesn’t mean they are either.  I’ve seen a problem with trust factors lately.  There’s so much “this is 10% true but that is 10% false so they’re both the same” going on.  Perfection is not achievable for humanity.  The best that can be had is least bad.

Not a pro, not even very good.  I’m just old and have time currently.  Assuming I know a lot about computers can be a mistake.

 

Life is like a bowl of chocolates: there are all these little crinkly paper cups everywhere.

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10 hours ago, mr moose said:

I don't trust the EFF either, they are a lobby group and just as bad.   Just because someone appears to have your best interests at heart doesn't men they aren't lying through their teeth.  

  Here is another source that I found for you:

https://cyberlaw.stanford.edu/blog/2020/03/earn-it-act-here-surprise-it’s-still-bad-news

 

It's written by Riana Pfefferkorn who is the associate director of surveillance and cybersecurity at the Stanford center for Internet and Society.

She has a Jurist Doctor degree in law and has dabbled in teaching cybersecurity courses at Stanford.

 

 

Here is a quote from her analysis of the bill:

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This is definitely an anti-encryption bill.

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The bill no longer gives unilateral power to the AG to write the “best practices” himself. Instead, after the Commission submits the recommended best practices to him, the AG, “upon agreement with” the heads of DHS and the FTC, shall either approve or deny them.

  • If approved, the best practices are published on the DOJ website and the Federal Register and submitted to Congress. If denied, the AG has to write up why he denied them. Then, the Commission gets a do-over: it “may resubmit recommended best practices.”
  • In other words: even though he no longer gets to rewrite the best practices at will, the AG still has thumbs-up/thumbs-down power over them (so long as the FTC and DHS heads agree). He -- along with the heads of FTC and DHS -- is also on the Commission. Why would the remaining members of the Commission ever bother writing any best practices that won’t please AG Barr? He still basically gets to dictate what the best practices say, because if they write some he doesn’t like, he can just deny them and make them resubmit revised versions that are more to his liking. And since AG Barr despises encryption (and because, as said, the 14-of-19 requirement means all the members who are experts in privacy, cryptography, and data security can be totally ignored), of course the best practices will go after encryption.

 

It's also worth noting that William Barr (referred to as AG Barr in the above text, since he is Attorney General) is vocally against end-to-end encryption (or as he likes to call it "warrant-proof encryption").

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3 hours ago, valdyrgramr said:

Wrong.   According to actual lawyers out there, a minor cannot consent at all as California set the age of consent to 18.   There are also no Romeo and Juliet laws on the legal books there.   And, depending on the age difference you can be tried for either a misdemeanor or a felony.

So, unrelated, but I can't help myself:

 

If in California some 17 year olds are in a relation for 2 years, do the dirty every night and one of them turns 18,... do they suddenly have to stop and wait until the second also turns 18 in order to not get locked up or something?

That sounds a little crazy, no?

 

Then again: Laws on perfectly natural behavior seem to be more harsh than shooting other people in the face, so there is that.

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5 hours ago, LAwLz said:

Well, I have found that when it comes to these kinds of manners, you usually tend to side with those that wants to restrict personal freedoms and privacy. So I am not surprised that you don't believe the EFF.

If you want to choose to not believe excellently written articles with plenty of citations where you can just visit and read the exact quotes for yourself then that's up to you.

I just don't take what people say at face value, and I try to go to the root information first.  Pardon me for being as thorough as I can and not wanting to follow the heard into another ill informed debate.   The EFF got some very important information wrong in the Australian "backdoor" debate.  why should I believe them? They are as a bad as greenpeace and the anti nuclear lobby.  They all claim they have y best interests at heart.

 

 

29 minutes ago, JustAnotherOverClocker said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto_Wars

The US government is always asking for this shit, so is the Australian government and the UK government, the Russian and Chinese government just took it and didn't bother asking.  You know there is a reason they are still asking right? It is because they can never successfully get the bills through parliament. 

 

 

It looks like this bill is just setting up a committee to determine best practices and recommend them.  Then service providers are to undertake a review of their services using these best practices as a guide and certify they found nothing or report what they found.  the law does not actually ask for a back door to anything, in fact it doesn't even seem to be legally binding because for them to do anything they would have to prove the provider knowingly allowed an illegal activity to occur on their platform whilst reporting in a voluntary manner something they knew to be wrong.  For all intents and purposes it looks like they are trying to coerce service providers to add parental controls and age restrictions.   

 

Of further note, the bill explicitly states this:

 

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Nothing in this Act or the amendments made by this Act shall be construed to require a provider of an interactive computer service to search, screen, or scan for instances of online child sexual exploitation.

 

A back door would specifically do just that.

Grammar and spelling is not indicative of intelligence/knowledge.  Not having the same opinion does not always mean lack of understanding.  

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Just now, Tech Enthusiast said:

So, unrelated, but I can't help myself:

 

If in California some 17 year olds are in a relation for 2 years, do the dirty every night and one of them turns 18,... do they suddenly have to stop and wait until the second also turns 18 in order to not get locked up or something?

Yes. 

Just now, Tech Enthusiast said:

That sounds a little crazy, no?

Yes. 

Just now, Tech Enthusiast said:

Then again: Laws on perfectly natural behavior seem to be more harsh than shooting other people in the face, so there is that.

Yes. 

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2 hours ago, ARikozuM said:

Not even a recall. Dissolve the Senate and use a direct democracy for all House-passed legislation or use an official social media or voting system to ensure that the Senators and Reps vote in-line with their constituents rather than rely on phoning them to "voice your concerns".

 

Fuck it. Hose them down with official polling and fine/punish the ever-loving shit out of them for not voting with their populace. 

The US, BY DESIGN, is not a pure Democracy. It's a Republic. I'm not going to devolve this into an argument of how it should or shouldn't be, just stating a matter of fact for what it is. There is BTW a process to amend the US constitution. Just FYI.

 

Be that as it is, a bill that passes Congress still has to be signed by the POTUS. Trump can still drop the ban hammer (veto) on it. OTOH, Congress can override the veto with 2/3rds of votes in both chambers (House and Senate).

 

TLDR, This will pass. Even if Trump vetos it, Congress will vote to override. 

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2 minutes ago, StDragon said:

TLDR, This will pass. Even if Trump vetos it, Congress will vote to override. 

It hasn't even fully gone through the senate yet. Then it still has to go through the house, which may amend it in some way, and, unless I'm mistaken, would mean it has to go back through the senate, and back and forth until both agree on the final draft of the bill. Only then will it go to the president to sign or veto. With elections coming up soon, there's also the chance that the bill could die if co-sponsors and supporters of the bill get voted out of office before it goes through the whole process.

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