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[UPDATED] Stop Dave. I'm afraid. - Microsoft tests soft blocking Firefox and Chrome Installs

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Just now, LordOTaco said:

if I recall correctly there was a big case about something similar in regards to Netscape and MS going at each other way back. 

think there was 2010ish one too

not sure to lazy to look up

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Just now, mynameisjuan said:

Its a few extra clicks I dont see as an issue. Most non-tech savy people that people wont even notice because they couldnt care less about the browser they are using let alone install a different one and just an extra click away on install anyway.  

 

I get that these are sneaky tactics but enough to warrant suing for anti-competition? Come on...

Yes, it may well warrant using for anti-competitive practices.

 

The fact that non-tech savvy people don't care is besides the point. There are a LOT of people who I wouldn't call "tech savvy", but also prefer to use Chrome. These are the people who will be most impacted by this. Some of them might just "give up" on switching because they click the "keep using Edge" button by mistake and get frustrated as to why it's not switching easily and quickly, for example.

 

Just because it's a fairly minor thing does not mean it's okay. Sneaky tactics need to be confronted immediately, because if they get away with this, it will encourage them to do worse things in the future.


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1 minute ago, pas008 said:

think there was 2010ish one too

not sure to lazy to look up

You mean this from Microsoft?

 

Image result for microsoft europe default browser


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4 minutes ago, pas008 said:

think there was 2010ish one too

not sure to lazy to look up

1998-2001 here ya go

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft_Corp.

 

 


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Edge is an ok browser but still not good enough to replace a WebKit based browser such as Chrome (Windows & Mac) and Safari (Mac only as Windows Version is ... shit). 

 

This is why I've decided to switch to MacOS and stay there as Microsoft are just wrecking everything.


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So the big question, is what would Edge needs to have as feature or improvement that will make you switch to Edge?

Does it need to be faster than Chrome? If so, by how much?

What feature you want? (for me, it is right-click on an image, and pick "View image", even if the image is a URL link. I think, and Media panel), and the Privacy it offers

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1 hour ago, LordOTaco said:

Firefox is the superior browser waifu.  This means war.

 

 

The Holy Browser Wars have begun, the main belligerents are Microsoft and Mozilla.

 

The armed conflict began when Microsoft start prompting users against installing Firefox and Chrome.

Mozilla's forces are supported by Google's.


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41 minutes ago, rcmaehl said:

You mean this from Microsoft?

 

Image result for microsoft europe default browser

 

Wow, this news is surprising, considering Microsoft got a huge fine from the EU back in the day because of bundling IE with Windows (I guess Windows XP at the time). This was a huge monopoly lawsuit brought by the EU.

 

They were forced to put a browser options screen into Windows (in the EU at least), showing you alternatives to IE.

EDIT: The one you are showing right here, exactly.

 

Very surprising they would do this, this opens them right back up to antitrust lawsuits.

 

Also: I laughed at the title of this thread. Pretty good. I love 2001 a space odyssee xD

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2 minutes ago, GoodBytes said:

So the big question, is what would Edge needs to have as feature or improvement that will make you switch to Edge?

Does it need to be faster than Chrome? If so, by how much?

What feature you want? (for me, it is right-click on an image, and pick "View image", even if the image is a URL link. I think, and Media panel)

Nothing could make me switch from Firefox, to ANY other browser.

 

Mozilla is the only company that is pro-consumer and pro-privacy and open internet. All the others are big corporate monopolies. That is why I choose Firefox. Also it is fast (now with Quantum engine).

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2 minutes ago, maartendc said:

Nothing could make me switch from Firefox, to ANY other browser.

 

Mozilla is the only company that is pro-consumer and pro-privacy and open internet. All the others are big corporate monopolies. That is why I choose Firefox. Also it is fast (now with Quantum engine).

Firefox was ruined for me when they nuked 90% of their add-ons/extensions with an update. I can no longer modify the appearance of firefox in the way that I want.


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13 minutes ago, rcmaehl said:

Firefox was ruined for me when they nuked 90% of their add-ons/extensions with an update. I can no longer modify the appearance of firefox in the way that I want.

I saw many people talking about this. When I looked into it I discovered the Firefox had baked in all the features they were saying their disabled extensions were used for.


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Just now, keskparane said:

I saw many people talking about this. When I looked into it I discovered the Firefox had baked in all the features they were saying their disabled extensions were used for.

Still can't automatically hide the URL bar within Firefox. :(


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I guarantee you this change wont make it to anywhere in Europe, MS have been in deep shit twice with European courts over trying to force IE onto people and they've had a hefty fine for it once as well.

 

It go so bad the EU forced them to add a new prompt to Vista & 7 for anyone in Europe telling them that while IE is installed by default there are other browsers available and letting them choose to install another one from a list of popular browsers.

 

Pushing this into Europe is plain stupid for MS, if they do they'll be back in court so quickly.


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Microsoft will not be satisfied untill they become apple or worse, someone who controls 100% percent of the software you use, MS Edge, MS office no other office app allowed, and so on.

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2 hours ago, KendoSapion said:


Edge no longer has the great battery it started with.

Outdated already this is before Firefox Quantum.


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49 minutes ago, GoodBytes said:

So the big question, is what would Edge needs to have as feature or improvement that will make you switch to Edge?

Does it need to be faster than Chrome? If so, by how much?

What feature you want? (for me, it is right-click on an image, and pick "View image", even if the image is a URL link. I think, and Media panel), and the Privacy it offers

Stability, I used to use edge a year or so ago but switched back to chrome due to edge having to reload web-pages a lot. NFL website and other sites that hosted videos that weren't major video platforms were the most common to crash.

The speed for me was in the range that was acceptable, and the UI is good and stays out of the way.

 

I would use FF but the UI just drives me nuts. It feels like it takes up more screen space and is distracting.

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2 hours ago, rcmaehl said:

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TL;DR:

Microsoft is testing adding additional prompts to try to prevent users from switching to alternative browsers.

 

Media:

edge firefox chrome blocks installation

 

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My Thoughts:


Darn it Microsoft. I will not use Edge. You can make Anime versions of your browsers, Give me a ton of additional prompts, but I just don't like it. With Linux getting some major support from Steam, I may eventually swap back over to Linux with all this non-sense.

The annoying thing is that there is a legit reason to use Edge (other than downloading another browser); Edge is the only browser where you can watch Netflix above 720p. Doesn't mean they should do a Apple a force a change on us [cough] U2 album [cough]

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2 minutes ago, Tcrumpen said:

The annoying thing is that there is a legit reason to use Edge (other than downloading another browser); Edge is the only browser where you can watch Netflix above 720p. Doesn't mean they should do a Apple a force a change on us [cough] U2 album [cough]

Only really an issue on PC. Chromecasts and mobile devices don't have this issue.


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3 minutes ago, rcmaehl said:

Only really an issue on PC. Chromecasts and mobile devices don't have this issue.

That is true, but if you're on a mobile device (Aka something a mobile for example) you're not using Windows

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34 minutes ago, GoodBytes said:

So the big question, is what would Edge needs to have as feature or improvement that will make you switch to Edge?

Does it need to be faster than Chrome? If so, by how much?

What feature you want? (for me, it is right-click on an image, and pick "View image", even if the image is a URL link. I think, and Media panel)

I would want three things from Edge:

 

1. Extension/Add-on support comparable to FF and Chrome (possibly by making it compatible with WebKit add-ons)

2. Cleaned up improved UI

3. Comparable features to the other big ones

 

As it is now, I don't think Edge is comparable feature wise.


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