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Intel to use solder TIM on some of their 9th gen cpus

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Leak internal slides shows that Intel is going to use solder TIM on some of their 9th gen cpus. The 2 cpus that will get the solder TIM treatment is the Core i9 9900K and Core i7 9700K. No words on whether the Core i5 9600K will get Solder TIM or not. The 9900K will be the very first mainstream i9 CPU for the desktop and will feature 8 cores and 16 threads. Core i7, now a tier lower will not feature HT, putting it similar to a Core i5, except its main advantage, is the extra cores and larger cache. Bases clock and turbo depending on the individual cpus ranges from 3.6 to 3.7GHz and singel core turbo ranges from 4.6 to 5.0GHz. Turbo clock will be lower when more cores are being used at the same time. All of the cpus are officially supported Intel Z390 chipset, although Z370 and current ones may be supported to via a bios update.

 

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About damn time.

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only now when they have to pull out all the stops

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Just now, GoldenLag said:

I like how there is only two things that can be considered new in their "New and featured"

  • 8 cores (yay)
  • Z390 chipset

From what I understood they're installing a Wireless card directly into the CPU. 

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5ghz single core. So not 95W or not 5ghz. 

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6 minutes ago, rcmaehl said:

About damn time.

Literally what I said in my head when I read the title. They finally listened.

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1 minute ago, rcmaehl said:

From what I understood they're installing a Wireless card directly into the CPU. 

I believe thats on the new Z390. Which is Z370 plus wireless and USB 3.1 (and hopefully new VRMs)

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5 GHz from the factory. wow.

FX-9590 memories.

 

how long before we start seeing people at 5.5 or even 6 GHz overclocks on non-crazy-cooling? haha. maybe never idk

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6 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

5ghz single core. So not 95W or not 5ghz. 

Not sure thats going to make much of a difference. 4.6-4.7 8 core is still the shit. 

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3 minutes ago, mynameisjuan said:

Not sure thats going to make much of a difference. 4.6-4.7 8 core is still the shit. 


You can still get it up to 5 ghz all core manually under decent cooling and yes even at stock speeds it sure is going to be a kick ass CPU.

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When der8uer discussed the details of solder, he mentioned you have to choose at the beginning whether a CPU will be soldered or not. So, it was pretty clear they were going to solder the 8 core parts because it's the only way they aren't crippled by heat transfer issues.

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40 minutes ago, NumLock21 said:

Leak internal slides shows that Intel is going to use solder TIM on some of their 9th gen cpus. The 2 cpus that will get the solder TIM treatment is the Core i9 9900K and Core i7 9700K. No words on whether the Core i5 9600K will get Solder TIM or not. The 9900K will be the very first mainstream i9 CPU for the desktop and will feature 8 cores and 16 threads. Core i7, now a tier lower will not feature HT, putting it similar to a Core i5, except its main advantage, is the extra cores and larger cache. Bases clock and turbo depending on the individual cpus ranges from 3.6 to 3.7GHz and singel core turbo ranges from 4.6 to 5.0GHz. Turbo clock will be lower when more cores are being used at the same time. All of the cpus are officially supported Intel Z390 chipset, although Z370 and current ones may be supported to via a bios update.

 

https://videocardz.com/77356/intel-core-i9-9900k-confirmed-to-be-soldered

Uhm, hold on...

 

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40 PCI Lanes and native TB3 support intrigue me to say the least.

It's 40 Platform PCIe Lanes

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Uhm, hold on...

 

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You can still get it up to 5 ghz all core manually under decent cooling and yes even at stock speeds it sure is going to be a kick ass CPU.

Darn things need to get out.  Itching to tinker with another Intel chip since my 5960X kicked bucket several months back.  Probably going to sell off my few X99 boards to fund that build.

Glad though that rumors about solder are now confirmed.

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1 hour ago, NumLock21 said:

Leak internal slides shows that Intel is going to use solder TIM on some of their 9th gen cpus. The 2 cpus that will get the solder TIM treatment is the Core i9 9900K and Core i7 9700K. No words on whether the Core i5 9600K will get Solder TIM or not. The 9900K will be the very first mainstream i9 CPU for the desktop and will feature 8 cores and 16 threads. Core i7, now a tier lower will not feature HT, putting it similar to a Core i5, except its main advantage, is the extra cores and larger cache. Bases clock and turbo depending on the individual cpus ranges from 3.6 to 3.7GHz and singel core turbo ranges from 4.6 to 5.0GHz. Turbo clock will be lower when more cores are being used at the same time. All of the cpus are officially supported Intel Z390 chipset, although Z370 and current ones may be supported to via a bios update.

What about Power Consumption?
What About TDP??
The Intel CPUs we have right now already break the TDP, that isn't even worth the paper it is written on...

At least they should offer two values: One base value, one max. Turbo Value...

 


And their biggest Problem is still Meltdown and Spectre.


And _THAT_ is the most interesting point of that: Will those CPUs have anything done against Spectre/Meltdown or not?

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The solder interface material isn't fucking new. You used it on all CPU back in the early 2000's bar the cheapest of Celerons.

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The solder interface material isn't fucking new. You used it on all CPU back in the early 2000's bar the cheapest of Celerons.

You are talking about prescott, are you not??

 

At the time, they didn't use 3 or 4 different dies for the different segments.

But that is rather common. And nobody really knows how many DIEs Intel uses in the consumer range, all we know is the HEDT, where they use AFAIR 3 DIEs...

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What about Power Consumption?
What About TDP??
The Intel CPUs we have right now already break the TDP, that isn't even worth the paper it is written on...

At least they should offer two values: One base value, one max. Turbo Value...

 


And their biggest Problem is still Meltdown and Spectre.


And _THAT_ is the most interesting point of that: Will those CPUs have anything done against Spectre/Meltdown or not?


If you could buy a 9900K, you can cope with its power consumption. Heat, will be handled better this time around due to the solder and more refined architecture compared to Skylake-X.

My 7820X was the first chip to be patched against those and pretty sure so will be these. There are newer variants of attacks coming out and some are affecting AMD too if you noticed.

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You are talking about prescott, are you not??

 

At the time, they didn't use 3 or 4 different dies for the different segments.

But that is rather common. And nobody really knows how many DIEs Intel uses in the consumer range, all we know is the HEDT, where they use AFAIR 3 DIEs...

Mainly, though Northwood did have a fair few soldered as well. Some being Celerons and towards 2003/2004 (got a Pentium 4 540J that was made in September 2003 somewhere, so from about then onwards)

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7 minutes ago, Motifator said:

If you could buy a 9900K, you can cope with its power consumption. Heat, will be handled better this time around due to the solder and more refined architecture compared to Skylake-X.

So why is it OK if Intel makes a CPU that consumes as much Power as an FX9590 but when AMD does it its not??

 

That is the Problem I have right now, on one hand you defend 250W Power for the CPU, on the other hand yo do not. Either you care about it or you don't...

 

7 minutes ago, Motifator said:

My 7820X was the first chip to be patched against those and pretty sure so will be these. There are newer variants of attacks coming out and some are affecting AMD too if you noticed.

I'm talking about HARDWARE Fixes, not some software Mitigations/Workarounds.

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What about Power Consumption?
What About TDP??
The Intel CPUs we have right now already break the TDP, that isn't even worth the paper it is written on...

At least they should offer two values: One base value, one max. Turbo Value...

 


And their biggest Problem is still Meltdown and Spectre.


And _THAT_ is the most interesting point of that: Will those CPUs have anything done against Spectre/Meltdown or not?

Have to wait for reviews on what their power consumption is. As for security, just read the fine print in the 2nd slide.

 

9 minutes ago, Dabombinable said:

The solder interface material isn't fucking new. You used it on all CPU back in the early 2000's bar the cheapest of Celerons.

I think the last mainstream cpu to be soldered was Ivy Bridge, I could be wrong on that.

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6 minutes ago, NumLock21 said:

Have to wait for reviews on what their power consumption is. As for security, just read the fine print in the 2nd slide.

Yeah you're right..

Though that's a bit hard these days due to the way things consume Power...

 

6 minutes ago, NumLock21 said:

I think the last mainstream cpu to be soldered was Ivy Bridge, I could be wrong on that.

Ivy was the Change to normal Paste, the last Consumer CPU was Sandy Bridge...

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