Porn Pass (age verification in the UK)

[Andreas Lilja]

Just now, Kobathor said:

From the Wikipedia posted a lil bit ago:

 

 

Doesn't seem to be a binding adjudication tho.

 

[Arika]

1 minute ago, Kobathor said:

From the Wikipedia posted a lil bit ago:

 

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The Obscene Device Law is a Texas statute prohibiting the sale of sex toys. The law was introduced in 1973, and was last updated in 2003. While the law technically remains in effect, in 2008 a U.S. District Judge released a report declaring it to be "facially unconstitutional and unenforceable".

 

 

[kelvinhall05]

Thank God I don't live in the UK.

[Kobathor]

Just now, Sierra Fox said:

 

Yeah but find a cop that will arrest you for it in the whole state. If there's nobody to enforce it then is it really law? Kinda like jaywalking around here, I walk across the street in front of police cars, I wave at them and they wave back.

[Jtalk4456]

As a funny side note I was thinking the other day about the rise of vr porn and how that will change the world, like where you see it in scifi movies

like this

and this: NSFW Warning

Spoiler

yes, both from minority report

Anyways, the obvious implication is a decrease in human interaction as technology takes over. At some point it will go from VR porn to porn robots that look and feel real. Most people would call this a bad progression of tech in society, but i was thinking, one of our biggest problems and the one that affects everything from hunger to poverty to climate change and jobs is OVERPOPULATION, which will be fixed by the decrease in society having sex with other humans, preferring a bot that doesn't mind going down or any other position. Also might reduce rapes and sexual harassment for the same reason, so to conclude

 

VR porn and sex robots will fix society, YAY!

[DildorTheDecent]

idk man. London would be much higher on my priority list.

 

But then again, those Rotheram gangs aren't very nice either...protecc the kiddos

[Jtalk4456]

21 minutes ago, ARikozuM said:

It's the other white meat. 

or red meat or blue meat or green dragon meat with bumps inside

[Jtalk4456]

17 minutes ago, Raskolnikov said:

Can't ISPs detect VPNS like Netflix does?

even if they know it's going through a VPN, they can't do anything about it. VPN's aren't illegal after all

[Sauron]

11 minutes ago, Jtalk4456 said:

good luck hiding it? dude that's the easiest part. minimize it to tray, close when done. Don't have an icon on the machine, you can even uninstall reinstall torrent client as needed with no trace. As for porn storage, I went into the C under program files and created a folder called Program Files 69. That was a joke for myself, obviously porn, but no one looks in the program files, so no biggie. Also it was embedded in a list of folders labeled Program Files ## 1-100 so it didn't even stand out if you got that far

Trust me, if I were your dad I'd find it. Torrent traffic is fairly easy to recognize in a log and you wouldn't have the required permissions to write in program files or install a program (you could use a portable application, but the traffic would still give it away). As for subfolders, those aren't a problem if you know basic scripting.

17 minutes ago, Jtalk4456 said:

As I said:

If the IT department at my high school knew to block kongregate and addicting games.com, but didn't think to block games.com, that means they will predictably look for common sites that fit the description. Do you think they know all of the smaller websites where you can watch anime and "offbrand" anime, not to even consider the wealth of Ecchi anime

You don't get it, it's the website's responsibility to check your age. There is no blacklist, just a prompt as you enter the site (or a "sensible" part of the site) that requires you to enter the code. Failure to comply means the website could be permanently blocked in the UK.

19 minutes ago, Jtalk4456 said:

Again as I said:

The government can ALWAYS associate your driver's license to you... and even if you were to trust them not to keep the record (really?) nothing would stop the websites from keeping it.

[BlueChinchillaEatingDorito]

Why don't you deal with 10 year olds playing pegi 18 rated videos games before bothering with pornography? It's bad enough that stores are "supposed" to verify this and still utterly fail. 

[Jtalk4456]

4 minutes ago, Sauron said:

1. Trust me, if I were your dad I'd find it. Torrent traffic is fairly easy to recognize in a log and you wouldn't have the required permissions to write in program files or install a program (you could use a portable application, but the traffic would still give it away). As for subfolders, those aren't a problem if you know basic scripting.

2. You don't get it, it's the website's responsibility to check your age. There is no blacklist, just a prompt as you enter the site (or a "sensible" part of the site) that requires you to enter the code. Failure to comply means the website could be permanently blocked in the UK.

3. The government can ALWAYS associate your driver's license to you... and even if you were to trust them not to keep the record (really?) nothing would stop the websites from keeping it.

1. If I had a dad that knew how to do all that I wouldn't be looking up porn on the home computer, but you're not the typical dad now are you? Most parents won't know a thing as long as you don't leave it in the internet history.

2. correct, the website would have to be in compliance or not, but as with many things how does enforcement go? Either the government actively targets porn websites and takes them to court if they don't use the software, which brings back to my point of who is targeted and the gov forgetting about smaller sites full of porn, also facebook and tumble and twitter and all the major social medias would have to include it too.

Or the government handles enforcement loosely and makes the software available and puts the law into effect and most websites never even notice it happen and nothing will change at all. 

3. I didn't say it would be done correctly, I said that would be the only option that would even come close to a non identifiable solution, but as you pointed out, that has flaws too

[JustMATT]

1 minute ago, BlueChinchillaEatingDorito said:

Why don't you deal with 10 year olds playing pegi 18 rated videos games before bothering with pornography? It's bad enough that stores are "supposed" to verify this and still utterly fail. 

because rating systems arent legally binding and its just a recommendation designed to help uninformed parents make decisions? its ultimately up to the parent whether or not something is appropriate for their kid

[Jtalk4456]

3 minutes ago, JustMATT said:

because rating systems arent legally binding and its just a recommendation designed to help uninformed parents make decisions? its ultimately up to the parent whether or not something is appropriate for their kid

actually it is legally binding in that you have to be of age to purchase it. Once it gets home it's up to parents judgement to hand to kid, but @BlueChinchillaEatingDorito is referring to store clerks letting 10 yr olds buy games they are legally required to ask for id for

[Jtalk4456]

1 minute ago, Jtalk4456 said:

actually it is legally binding in that you have to be of age to purchase it. Once it gets home it's up to parents judgement to hand to kid, but @BlueChinchillaEatingDorito is referring to store clerks letting 10 yr olds buy games they are legally required to ask for id for

I take that back, I thought it was a legal thing but apparently not. My mistake. I had always been told it's like cigarettes where in sme places you can buy at 18 but can't smoke legally until 21

[DocSwag]

Isn't it easy to circumvent? Just use a VPN or Tor. And no one will be too happy about it if they have to pay money...

[mr moose]

2 hours ago, JustMATT said:

Read the article, nothing I have said has changed... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Im not insulting you because you have a different opinion, Im insulting you based on the idea that you could think this would: A) work and B) NOT GET COMPLETELY SCREWED UP

So not only are you arguing against something that has not been said in an article you didn't read, but you did';t read any of my posts tand are trying to tell me something I didn;t say is also wrong. Well done.

 

A. I never claimed it would work, I claimed it was in my opinion a better option that censorship or ISP level intervention

B. you don't understand what it is let alone what I said,  so how would it get screwed up?

 

So far you have done nothing but make derogatory comments that aren't even relevant.

 

 

 

 

[Mooshi]

I'm one year behind Linus. At 12 I had access to porn. These days nudity itself gets the same response a doctor would have with a resounding shrug. When something is easily accessible, it loses any edge. Lock something away and it creates an artificial mystique like it's something amazing. 

 

My view about online porn is who cares? I get it, but in the grand scheme of things there are way worst things to throw effort behind in preventing. Now it's like trying to brush the porn ads away to see content, not the other way around lol

[Sniperfox47]

@mr moose I don't understand how you could think something that requires a physical purchase could ever be "discrete" or "non-identifying". Even ifthe system was set up with automated non-human tellers that didn't record any financial information, the uk still has one of the most sophisticated CCTV systems in the world, cross referencing that against transaction history of other transactions wouldn't be that hard.

 

No data is anonymous, you can identify any anonymized data, particularly that involving the physical world.

[mr moose]

59 minutes ago, Sniperfox47 said:

@mr moose I don't understand how you could think something that requires a physical purchase could ever be "discrete" or "non-identifying". Even ifthe system was set up with automated non-human tellers that didn't record any financial information, the uk still has one of the most sophisticated CCTV systems in the world, cross referencing that against transaction history of other transactions wouldn't be that hard.

 

No data is anonymous, you can identify any anonymized data, particularly that involving the physical world.

Because the article claims the idea is you show the man at the counter your id and he gives yoou a card that has a verification number on it.  Unless that man has a photographic memory and can remember to write down your drivers license and the serial number of the card he sold you ther is no way to link a verification code used online to anyone.   Maybe if there is an automated system it can be programed to do that, but now we are talking about fraud and privacy laws which can be abused by any automated system.

 

EDIT: also keep in mind that the verification process is being run by each website at the other end and not the government so technically if the government was spying some how the website owners would know nad secondly I'm not actually happy about the charging bit.  I think it should be free or so small of a fee (to cover the cost of the card)  that it may as well be free.

[ItsJosh18]

6 hours ago, Memories4K said:

I love the UK

Aw man this ones hilarious

[ItsJosh18]

16 minutes ago, huilun02 said:

So turns out they just wanted people's money. Them brits sure learn fast from the US

Why you think we threw their tea in the harbor?

[LAwLz]

The UK is so fucked up. It's like the politicians looked at China's extremely oppressive governments and thought "hey, that looks awesome. Let's copy them".

[Tech Enthusiast]

Just like leaving the EU, i doubt this pass will do what the UK peeps think it will do.

It won't even take an hour to circumvent, if it isn't circumvented before it actually hits the stores.

 

That being said, i kinda find it funny that some nations do their best to "protect" their children from reality.

I really pity these children once they see around the curtain and are bombarded by all the harsh reality at once, that they could be exposed to one by one over the span of 18-21 years. That is, if all the shielding would actually work at all, which again, i doubt.

[samcool55]

Kids will find a way around this, they always do.

[captain_to_fire]

9 hours ago, Bajantechnician said:

looks like @iamdarkyoshi will have to start downloading and archiving

private internet access bruh