Porn Pass (age verification in the UK)

[ItsMitch]

Well thank fuck no-one takes Theresa May serious anyway lmao. Such a stupid and useless thing to implement. VPN usage will go through the roof. 

[Sauron]

Could be worse, but... imagine the conversation at the post office 

 

@SC2Mitch to be fair if I had children and were concerned about this they wouldn't be able to install any sort of VPN.

[asus killer]

10 minutes ago, themctipers said:

everyone at my school uses VPN, yes even the 12 year olds

 wow, kids can communicate, and find alternatives, and can bypass, and think 

the irony is that this will probably only stop the elderly from getting their old lady porn 

[asus killer]

...

[mr moose]

4 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

What if I told you trying to combat the serious effects of porn was not worth tax payer time and or money? So what if a preteen watched a lewd video? This kind of stuff will never get support from the younger generations btw since they are all used to just viewing the content. 

 

Could easily end up like the War on Drugs in the U.S. The government getting too high on what it thinks is best. 

If you don't understand how pron effects brain development then you should stop commenting.  

 

Porn, violent videos and extreme emotional content all have their effects on developing brains.  By developing brains we are talking about the average person upto about 12-14.  Whether you like it or not this is a fact and something you can't escape.   As someone who has worked in early education I can assure you that there is both a wealth of research and literature on the subject and there is a real difference between kids who have been allowed to watch adult content and those who haven't.  Sometimes its so prominent you can pick it.

 

[Arika]

If anything it should've an opt-in for the parents. Not something forced on everyone. For example, people that don't have or want kids

[TheSLSAMG]

4 minutes ago, Sauron said:

Could be worse, but... imagine the conversation at the post office 

Her Majesty's Royal Mail Worker "Welcome m8, need to ship a package?"

Smut Enthusiast "No m8, I need the pass"

HMRMW: "The pass?"

SE: "Yeah, the pass m8."

HMRMW: "You mean the porn pass?"

SE: "ʸᵉᵃʰ"

HMRMW: *rings bell hung from ceiling* *on top of lungs* "OI M8, THIS BRUV'S GOTTA GET A PASS TO HAVE HIMSELF A WANK!"

 

On topic, I'm mixed. I get why they're doing it, but I'm a small government guy and the idea of the government giving out codes so I can watch porn is overreaching.

[JustMATT]

Alright, Ill jump in on this.

7 minutes ago, mr moose said:

As I said, paying for it is stupid, but if walking into a store and presenting your drivers license in exchange for a code to use online that are in no way linkedd is an issue I suggest you might have bigger problems

What you do in your own fucking home is your business and no one else's... end of story, if you want to let the UK government know what you do in the bedroom, go outside with a sign about it, but forcing others to do the same is not the right way to "save the kids"

 

8 minutes ago, mr moose said:

There is no censorship here, for a change they are not blocking access to anything, they have just found a way to help prevent underage content being viewed by underage people.  

You can call it whatever you want, you can call a horse a cow, doesn't change what it actually is, just makes you look stupid, also isn't underage content in this context illegal already to EVERYONE!?

 

9 minutes ago, mr moose said:

No they aren't.  Making you pay yes, I already disagree with that, but they aren't telling you what you can and can;t look at.  It's not like child porn filters and interpol.

Yes they are, they are saying that you cant look at porn without this pass, that's not freedom, that's fascism, adults watching porn without the government knowing is not at all the same as watching child porn, if you think they are the same you are absolutely fucking delusional

 

11 minutes ago, mr moose said:

You have an issue with that?  Man up.  it's how we used to do it all the time.

You know what else people used to do? Hit each other in the fucking head with rocks, we don't do that anymore for a reason, we have advanced as a society, rejecting the power of technology as some sort of way to say "I'm better than you because I'm ok with doing this" is completely moronic

 

13 minutes ago, mr moose said:

For the 3rd time, the government isn't telling you what you can and can't view online.  If your a child your already not supposed to be allowed to view it, so your issue isn't with this but with age old laws about age ratings that are based on fairly decent evidence.

For the 3rd time, I get that this is the UK we are talking about so actual freedom seems a bit foreign of a concept, but its actually important, one way to think about it is if you would be ok with the current government having this power, AS WELL AS any other government also having the same power and possibly different views over you, first porn, then political speech, if you thought the US elections were rigged (I personally dont) then imagine how fucked the UK elections would be with the government having this kind of power...

[ItsMitch]

1 minute ago, Sierra Fox said:

If anything it should've an opt-in for the parents. Not something forced on everyone. For example, people that don't have or want kids

Sometimes logical reasoning doesn't work well with our government.... 

[mr moose]

Just now, Sierra Fox said:

If anything it should've an opt-in for the parents. Not something forced on everyone. For example, people that don't have or want kids

That would put implementation back on the ISP's, which I thought was the major argument against the last opt-in suggestion. . 

[NMS]

38 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

I'd rather the Government not step further than it has on the topic of the internet. 

 

First it's porn, what is next? 

 

I would just rather not. 

Memes. Memes are next, my dude. The dankest ones will go first.

[JustMATT]

3 minutes ago, TheSLSAMG said:

Her Majesty's Royal Mail Worker "Welcome m8, need to ship a package?"

Smut Enthusiast "No m8, I need the pass"

HMRMW: "The pass?"

SE: "Yeah, the pass m8."

HMRMW: "You mean the porn pass?"

SE: "ʸᵉᵃʰ"

HMRMW: *rings bell hung from ceiling* *on top of lungs* "OI M8, THIS BRUV'S GOTTA GET A PASS TO HAVE HIMSELF A WANK!"

 

On topic, I'm mixed. I get why they're doing it, but I'm a small government guy and the idea of the government giving out codes so I can watch porn is overreaching.

this just made me realise how much MORE this is completely fucked up, this is literally the government saying "you arent capable of being an adult so we are taking away your toys because we know better, its not like you are an adult with the freedom to choose what they do or anything"

[DrMacintosh]

3 minutes ago, JustMATT said:

Alright, Ill jump in on this.

What you do in your own fucking home is your business and no one else's... end of story, if you want to let the UK government know what you do in the bedroom, go outside with a sign about it, but forcing others to do the same is not the right way to "save the kids"

 

You can call it whatever you want, you can call a horse a cow, doesn't change what it actually is, just makes you look stupid, also isn't underage content in this context illegal already to EVERYONE!?

 

Yes they are, they are saying that you cant look at porn without this pass, that's not freedom, that's fascism, adults watching porn without the government knowing is not at all the same as watching child porn, if you think they are the same you are absolutely fucking delusional

 

You know what else people used to do? Hit each other in the fucking head with rocks, we don't do that anymore for a reason, we have advanced as a society, rejecting the power of technology as some sort of way to say "I'm better than you because I'm ok with doing this" is completely moronic

 

For the 3rd time, I get that this is the UK we are talking about so actual freedom seems a bit foreign of a concept, but its actually important, one way to think about it is if you would be ok with the current government having this power, AS WELL AS any other government also having the same power and possibly different views over you, first porn, then political speech, if you thought the US elections were rigged (I personally dont) then imagine how fucked the UK elections would be with the government having this kind of power...

Preach!

[TheRandomness]

Where there's a will, there's a way. Hey, at least it'll have the side effect of educating younger members of the English population in the tech field

[ItsMitch]

Just now, mr moose said:

That would put implementation back on the ISP's, which I thought was the major argument against the last opt-in suggestion. . 

I mean, most ISP's in the UK have age restriction settings build in under "Parental controls". Specifically with Virgin Media I'm with, they built in a multi-layer P.C for ease of mind for parents. 

Seriously, fuck the government for trying to push this bullshit, I'll gladly protest this shit in the street. 

[mr moose]

1 minute ago, JustMATT said:

Alright, Ill jump in on this.

What you do in your own fucking home is your business and no one else's... end of story, if you want to let the UK government know what you do in the bedroom, go outside with a sign about it, but forcing others to do the same is not the right way to "save the kids"

The government doesn't know what you are doing did you fail to read the article?

1 minute ago, JustMATT said:

You can call it whatever you want, you can call a horse a cow, doesn't change what it actually is, just makes you look stupid, also isn't underage content in this context illegal already to EVERYONE!?

No again you didn;t read the article. there is no context here, it is purely the already illegal offering of age restricted content to minors.

 

1 minute ago, JustMATT said:

Yes they are, they are saying that you cant look at porn without this pass, that's not freedom, that's fascism, adults watching porn without the government knowing is not at all the same as watching child porn, if you think they are the same you are absolutely fucking delusional

Not sure you understand censorship.

 

1 minute ago, JustMATT said:

You know what else people used to do? Hit each other in the fucking head with rocks, we don't do that anymore for a reason, we have advanced as a society, rejecting the power of technology as some sort of way to say "I'm better than you because I'm ok with doing this" is completely moronic

no, what's moronic here is not understand how technology is changing the world and understanding that it isn't ALL good.  Don't put  your head in the sand.

 

1 minute ago, JustMATT said:

For the 3rd time, I get that this is the UK we are talking about so actual freedom seems a bit foreign of a concept, but its actually important, one way to think about it is if you would be ok with the current government having this power, AS WELL AS any other government also having the same power and possibly different views over you, first porn, then political speech, if you thought the US elections were rigged (I personally dont) then imagine how fucked the UK elections would be with the government having this kind of power...

What power?  It's simply getting an unidentifiable/untrackable age of consent code.  there is nothing to hold power over.

[79wjd]

Ah, this will definitely work....I forgot how underage kids never get ahold of alcohol. 

[M300843499]

Sorry but i had porn magazines when i was 14 years old so..

[mr moose]

Just now, M300843499 said:

Sorry but i had porn magazines when i was 14 years old so..

we all did.

[Arika]

10 minutes ago, mr moose said:

That would put implementation back on the ISP's, which I thought was the major argument against the last opt-in suggestion. . 

but even if the UK government force it on people, the ISPs would still need to implement it anyway unless they are going to go to every single porn site and get them to add something when it notices UK IPs, if that's the case what about VPNs? that would make the entire thing pointless

[Jtalk4456]

too easy to get around.

Install a torrent client find porn torrents.

Watch hentai on anime watching websites. 

And instead of creating a "porn pass" just use a drivers licence that has your age on it, as they all do. Make a simple verification software that you put in your DL and it determines if you are of age or not based on dl record. 

The problem being again too easy to get around, the gov would have to make the software with access to a database of ONLY DL's and bdays, unless they want to anger the privacy sensitive public, and it could store no data. Also what sites would get this? Would twitter tumblr reddit and facebook be blocked? They can all contain porn

[Sauron]

@mr moose I was thinking, couldn't they use a key generation algorithm based on, say, your id card's serial code and blacklist all underaged codes? That way you could generate your own key without leaving your home and without being given a key card that could be found. They could make it one time only so even if a child gets a hold of your id they can't reuse the same code.

[mr moose]

Just now, Sierra Fox said:

but even if the UK government force it on people, the ISPs would still need to implement it anyway unless they are going to go to every single porn site and get them to add something when it notices UK IPs, if that's the case what about VPNs? that would make the entire think pointless

According to the suggestion,  sites are individually responsible for allowing accessing only with the pass code or some other form of verification.

[M300843499]

Hey guys i would like it if you do not answer back to me and allow me to fully control what goes on in this thread from now on.

 

-UK government.

[mr moose]

Just now, Sauron said:

@mr moose I was thinking, couldn't they use a key generation algorithm based on, say, your id card's serial code and blacklist all underaged codes? That way you could generate your own key without leaving your home and without being given a key card that could be found. They could make it one time only so even if a child gets a hold of your id they can't reuse the same code.

Even that's a good idea.  So long as it can't be tracked back to something identifiable.  The whole idea is that the end user is not telling anyone (government,isp or even the website owner) who they are.