Apple prematurely ends IOS 14 updates and claims it never promised to support IOS 14 in the long term

[Rohith_Kumar_Sp]

5 minutes ago, FakeKGB said:

No such devices exist. Every device that can run iOS 14 also can run iOS 15.

for now, what about tomorrow, surely apple will start to trickle down on the devices that supports IOS15 right? 

[Arika]

20 minutes ago, Dracarris said:

With that well-reasoned, greatly thought out line of argumenting you surely have convinced everyone about the insignificance of updates.

There is no convincing some people. No matter how good your reasons or arguments, certain people on this forum will just never listen. So sometimes the best solution is to just laugh

[Video Beagle]

1 minute ago, Rohith_Kumar_Sp said:

for now, what about tomorrow, surely apple will start to trickle down on the devices that supports IOS15 right? 

Not likely.

When 16 comes out, there will likely be a new bottom line.

[Lurick]

Just now, Arika S said:

There is no convincing some people. No matter how good your reasons or arguments, certain people on this forum will just never listen. So sometimes the best solution is to just laugh

Some people think they know better than everyone and that they are invincible because nobody cares about their outdated pile of garbage therefor they are right that security is stupid and nobody should worry about that.

[emosun]

9 minutes ago, RejZoR said:

Apparently you know more than all the security experts who waste their time finding and patching security issues.

Yeah turns out its pretty hard to steal a car that doesnt exist.

[emosun]

4 minutes ago, Lurick said:

Some people think they know better than everyone and that they are invincible because nobody cares about their outdated pile of garbage therefor they are right that security is stupid and nobody should worry about that.

Quote where i told anyone else to do anything security related. Or are you really really hoping i give a crap what people who need a new phone every 6 months do

[Dracarris]

10 minutes ago, Video Beagle said:

My 5s still get's major security updates...fwiw.

Yes, 6 and 5S are on the same update/iOS track (12.5.x). Just as a reminder: The 5S was released in 2013, there are phones out there that are still alive and Apple cares to support them with security updates in 2021. But I guess that's all planned obsolesence.

[emosun]

8 minutes ago, Arika S said:

There is no convincing some people. No matter how good your reasons or arguments, certain people on this forum will just never listen. So sometimes the best solution is to just laugh

Id sooner have them laugh then think im somehow going to engage with their terrible argument that has to do with someone who isnt me. Exactly why i just type an lol and move on. No sense even bothering trying to say anything when their cup is full of pending updates

[WhitetailAni]

11 minutes ago, Rohith_Kumar_Sp said:

for now, what about tomorrow, surely apple will start to trickle down on the devices that supports IOS15 right? 

They have never done that. Ever. If a device supports a major version of iOS, it will always support every version of that version of iOS. Devices only get chopped after a new version number is released.

Ok, iOS 12 is an exception with 12.4.2-12.5.5 only being for devices that didn't support 13, but that wasn't dropped support, that was extra support.

[Rohith_Kumar_Sp]

21 minutes ago, FakeKGB said:

Ok, iOS 12 is an exception with 12.4.2-12.5.5 only being for devices that didn't support 13, but that wasn't dropped support, that was extra support.

well that means there's no saying this wouldn't be either no? this is support which they had spoken about though 

[WhitetailAni]

Just now, Rohith_Kumar_Sp said:

well that means there's no saying this wouldn't be either no? this is support which they had spoken about though 

The iOS 12.4.2-12.5.5 updates were only for devices that:
A. Didn't support iOS 13

B. Did support iOS 12

The iOS 14.8.1 and 14.8.2 updates are for any iOS 14-capable device, which by extension also supports iOS 15. There's a distinct difference here.

[RejZoR]

1 hour ago, emosun said:

Yeah turns out its pretty hard to steal a car that doesnt exist.

So, you're saying you don't even have a smartphone?

[mr moose]

23 minutes ago, RejZoR said:

So, you're saying you don't even have a smartphone?

I think what he is telling you is that you are trying to argue against an argument that he never made.    Emo never said anything about the importance of updates, that was something you imagined he was arguing. 

[Helpful Tech Witch]

4 hours ago, AluminiumTech said:

For a while IOS 15 was a mess, also IOS 15 will be getting the CSAM detection once Apple is done pretending they won't implement it.

Um it is sort of implemented is messages, but it’s a toggle on feature, not a toggle off.

[Commodus]

It's strange that Apple wouldn't have a signed version of iOS 14 to fall back on, and that will be a problem for some users, but at the same time... trying to use that against Apple as a major gotcha is akin to hitting a tank with a hammer. You're gonna need something stronger than that. Android's update situation still lags behind somewhat, as much as it has improved (and is mitigated by Google Play Services).

[Kisai]

5 hours ago, Spotty said:

I don't follow iOS updates so forgive my ignorance. Is there something wrong with iOS 15? Is there any reason why someone on iOS 14 who wants to continue receiving updates shouldn't just update to iOS 15 to continue receiving the latest security updates?

None really. iOS 14 was released with the iPhone 12 models. It runs on everything going back to iPhone 6S (2015). iOS 15 also runs on the iPhone 6S. So there is literately no reason to run iOS 14. Facebook will whine about it, but that's about it. iOS 15 introduced privacy features and better controls over permissions (eg allowing "location apps" to always be given a fixed location to protect your privacy)

 

The only controversial feature was the CSAM feature, which has been scrubbed from all apple documentation. Is it still present? Probably not.

 

[Brooksie359]

3 hours ago, FakeKGB said:

No such devices exist. Every device that can run iOS 14 also can run iOS 15.

Oh then this seems like people are getting upset over nothing. Sure I can understand wanting ios 14 to be supported but I can see why Apple really shouldn't have to if all of their devices can do 15 that can do 14. I mean what's the big deal? Either update your phone or don't. 

[AnonymousGuy]

For everyone's benefit it's documented in a nice table color format:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_iOS_and_iPadOS_devices#Supported_iOS_releases

 

iOS 15 is a superset of iOS 14.  There are no devices that only support iOS 14 and not iOS 15.

 

TBH I didn't even know you could stay on iOS 14.  I thought you either took the newest # version or you didn't update at all because that's what I've always done.  iOS is so dialed that you don't have to worry about an update breaking you unless you have an ancient phone where new features will eventually slow it down.

[WhitetailAni]

21 minutes ago, Brooksie359 said:

I mean what's the big deal? Either update your phone or don't. 

iOS likes to auto-update though, and because of SSV being introduced in iOS 15, some apps are broken.

1 minute ago, AnonymousGuy said:

TBH I didn't even know you could stay on iOS 14.  I thought you either took the newest # version or you didn't update at all because that's what I've always done.  iOS is so dialed that you don't have to worry about an update breaking you unless you have an ancient phone.

https://dhinakg.github.io/delayed-otas.html

[Dracarris]

20 minutes ago, Brooksie359 said:

Oh then this seems like people are getting upset over nothing.

That applies to at least 50% of the Apple-related threads here (well tech press in general). It's like Tim Apples personal fart monitor.

[StDragon]

For those that don't think maintaining a secure OS is important...  https://www.cvedetails.com/product/15556/Apple-Iphone-Os.html?vendor_id=49

[vetali]

8 hours ago, Spotty said:

I don't follow iOS updates so forgive my ignorance. Is there something wrong with iOS 15? Is there any reason why someone on iOS 14 who wants to continue receiving updates shouldn't just update to iOS 15 to continue receiving the latest security updates?

Its been pretty rough personally. Quite a few bugs and issues. 15.2 is better, but still not great. Neither was iOS 14 though. Its not worth staying on for how severe the security issues that Apple patches in these updates.

 

Feels like iOS has had gradual downturn since 12 of just spewing more features without optimization. They definitely need a tick-tock release structure of new features, then optimization and bug fixes.

[hishnash]

8 hours ago, AluminiumTech said:

For a while IOS 15 was a mess, also IOS 15 will be getting the CSAM detection once Apple is done pretending they won't implement it.

Apple could also put CSAM into a bug update of 14, since it is a compliance thing and not a user facing feature these things when they role out quite commonly are patched back as far as possible as that give the vendor (apple) the maximum legal protection when taken to court for not doing something about ...

You wander why apple is doing CSAM they are doing it to ensure that they are not forced to just hand over the raw iCloud image database of every users to the cops the solution they have suggested is a LOT better than the solution used by google and others (already) were the photos are scanned server side since if apple want to make updates to the database they match against or the algoirhtum this is much harder for them as they need to sneak it pasts third party security firms that love to audio OS updates compared to google (and every other cloud photo storage service) that scans cloud side and thus can update these things without anyone having any chance of seeing if it changes.

[hishnash]

3 hours ago, Kisai said:

The only controversial feature was the CSAM feature, which has been scrubbed from all apple documentation. Is it still present? Probably not.

 

not currently but it will be implemented in the future, apple is going to be legaly compelled to implement some form of scanning, They could just do what every other cloud photo storage service does and scan cloud side but they wanted to propose something that would allow security experts to audit it if it changes.  Also I have a feeling they want to move to end to end encryption (optional) for all iCloud data (currently photos are not end to end encrypted since if you loos all your Appel devices and forget your PW you would never be able to get them back, there was a short time apple permitted end to end encryption and apparently a lot of users lost years of photos!).  But I think there are apple at apple who want to bring back end to end as an option but to do this they need to ensure they do not give people who want a backdoor the easy polical 'child porn' argument. By having on device scanning were only once you pass a given number of possible images is the cryptographic key complete apple will be able to offer an end to end encryption on photos while still being able to say "we do not support child porn."

What apple should have done when they announced it was:

1) not announced it at the same time as the other unrelated feature for parental controle devices were if the child gets a Nood image in messages it is blued out and the child is promoted to inform thier parent.

2) Announced that they were going to role this out with end to end iCloud encryption and it would only be required for end to end encryption users.
3) For non end to end encryption giving the users the option of scanning server side if they preferred. (remember the local scanning happenes during upload its not scanning images your not uploading to iCloud)

[rikitikitavi]

6 hours ago, mr moose said:

I think what he is telling you is that you are trying to argue against an argument that he never made.    Emo never said anything about the importance of updates, that was something you imagined he was arguing. 

That's the quote

10 hours ago, emosun said:

Big whoop i used android 4.2 for 8 years. You dont really need updates theyre just scams anyway.