TPMpocalypse; Microsoft singlehandedly destroys the TPM market

[BachChain]

Summary

 

Following Microsoft's announcement that Windows 11 would only work with computers equipped with a Trusted Platform Module, a surge in demand for third party modules has overwhelmed the current availability from most major retailers. This, as you might have come to expect, has led to a shortage, which means unavailability, scalpers, bots, and price hikes.

 

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The TPM market has largely imploded overnight, with nearly all modules being completely out of stock. Some TPMs are still available, but they're only available at significantly higher pricing. Scalping is already taking hold, just like we currently see in many other areas of the PC market. Whip in the ongoing chip shortages that could make timely restocks more of a dream than a reality, and we could see a prolonged period of TPM shortages set in.  

 

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All of Gigabyte's TPM modules are currently out of stock from popular retailers like Newegg and Amazon, and there's no indication when they'll be restocked.

 

For Asus users, the choice of buying a TPM is very simple: The TPM-M R2.0 is the lone product. Pricing for the TPM-M R2.0 is significantly better than Gigabyte's offerings by a fair margin. Pricing skyrocketed to $25.16 just before it went out of stock on June 27th. This model is also sold out on eBay.

 

MSI has two TPM modules, with one actually available to buy today from Amazon via a third-party seller. The TPM V3.19 module is available for $24.99, but the MS-4136 is currently out of stock.

 

Supermicro has two TPM modules: The AOM-TPM-9665V-C and the AOM-TPM-9665V. You can pick up the AOM-TPM-9665V-C chip right now for $34.85 on Amazon. As for the AOM-TPM-9665V, pricing is rock solid steady at $40.88 as it's only been on sale (from Amazon) since yesterday.

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The good news is that the physical module will be optional on most systems, thanks to all modern Intel and AMD CPUs featuring a firmware-based TPM that operates inside the chips' trusted execution environment. If you have a motherboard that supports CPU-based TPM, you can turn it on via the UEFI/BIOS.

 

My thoughts

This is getting absurd. The instant anything happens, an entire market goes out of stock. Luckily, this isn't going to be a problem for most people.

 

Sources

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/tpm-modules-unobtainable-expensive-windows-11

[trag1c]

RIP Infineon doesn't have much stock of the 9665 which is used in a lot of designs for TPMs. Only about 5k of them out in the wild for purchasing.

[WkdPaul]

Not sure I understand the craze ; Windows 11 isn't necessary for the moment and if you really need Windows 11, wait until it's out, by that time you might get an upgrade that make your computer compatible, and if not, just wait it out and see if it's really worth it or not since Windows 10 is still supported until 2025 !!!

 

This is similar to the TP or fuel hoarding ... panic buying is dumb.

[Murasaki]

Yuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuup we all expected this. Gotta thank Microsoft, they sure are inspiring us to create things - TPM memes.

5 minutes ago, BachChain said:

June 27th

  Are you a wizard from the future?

[Ydfhlx]

People buy chips that may not be required for software that isn't yet released while there are walkwrounds. Got it.

[BachChain]

1 minute ago, Murasaki said:

Are you a wizard from the future?

Yes, but that's not important right now

[Murasaki]

2 minutes ago, Ydfhlx said:

People buy chips that may not be required for software that isn't yet released while there are walkwrounds. Got it.

People only now finding out about TPM bundled together with not knowing about firmware TPM is just the perfect formula for chaos..

[LAwLz]

I'd just to remind everyone that a lot of Intel and AMD processors have built in TPMs.

On AMD it's called a fTPM.

On Intel it's called a PTT.

 

It can often be enabled in the BIOS and you can check if it's working by opening up the start menu, typing in "tpm" and clicking on the "security processor" thing that comes up.

 

 

 

 

Or if you prefer CLIs, you can open up powershell (as admin) and type in:

get-tpm

 

It should say:

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TpmPresent                : True

TpmReady                  : True

TpmEnabled                : True

TpmActivated              : True

 

[WhitetailAni]

33 minutes ago, BachChain said:

third party modules

I'm sorry, but I have to.

Third Party Modules

TPM

Spoiler

 

[Blademaster91]

25 minutes ago, Ydfhlx said:

People buy chips that may not be required for software that isn't yet released while there are walkwrounds. Got it.

There are workarounds that work for the development build, but Microsoft requirements are a minimum of TPM 1.2 and UEFI secureboot, that could change what works with the release version.

[Radium_Angel]

Just now, Blademaster91 said:

There are workarounds that work for the development build, but Microsoft requirements are a minimum of TPM 1.2 and UEFI secureboot, that could change what works with the release version.

And I still haven't found why TPM is a requirement for the OS...

[Tieox]

2 minutes ago, Radium_Angel said:

And I still haven't found why TPM is a requirement for the OS...

For Bitlocker driver encryption, the fucking hilarious fact is Windows 11 Home does not include Bitlocker yet requires TPM 1.2 minimum.

 

The whole TPM requirement needs to fuck off so far away science is yet to create a term.

[Blademaster91]

3 minutes ago, Radium_Angel said:

And I still haven't found why TPM is a requirement for the OS...

I haven't seen a good reason for it, most Win11 home users wouldn't need TPM anyway.

[sof006]

7 minutes ago, Radium_Angel said:

And I still haven't found why TPM is a requirement for the OS...

I'd imagine its an effort to make Windows more secure, adds a layer of encryption

[Tieox]

1 minute ago, sof006 said:

I'd imagine its an effort to make Windows more secure, adds a layer of encryption

Make it a bloody option.  Not a requirement.  

[sof006]

Just now, Tieox said:

Make it a bloody option.  Not a requirement.  

Tell Microsoft, not me. I honestly don't care lol, in my BIOS its simply a software toggle.

 

I turned it on and i'm all set.

[Tieox]

Oh I plan too.

[Froody129]

I wonder how many of these are just scalpers hoping to corner the market. Not sure what they’re expecting. Imo the whole situation is being overreacted to.

[poochyena]

1 hour ago, BachChain said:

This is getting absurd. The instant anything happens, an entire market goes out of stock.

Thats just simply more efficient, to just produce what is needed. Practically no company is prepared for a sudden, unexpected surge in demand for their product.

[bcredeur97]

lol they just announced the OS and it won't be out till like late this year and updating to it isn't even necessary for a couple years. 

People need to calm down xD 

[Salv8 (sam)]

1 hour ago, wkdpaul said:

Windows 10 is still supported until 2025 !!!

or if ya smart you'll use windows 10 enterprise ltsc since thats got support untill 2029.

[StDragon]

1 hour ago, sof006 said:

I'd imagine its an effort to make Windows more secure, adds a layer of encryption

That is correct. Per MS, it's for "hardware root-of-trust". The TPM stores encryption keys and will be integral with Windows Hello.

I'd imagine it to be more integrated MFA solution for other services online. I don't know, but it could in effect act as something of a "Yubikey" in terms of functionality. Only it's fixed to the hardware, and not intended to be a primary means. Just provides security with more convenience as the devices is, well...trusted. 

[Radium_Angel]

1 hour ago, StDragon said:

That is correct. Per MS, it's for "hardware root-of-trust". The TPM stores encryption keys and will be integral with Windows Hello.

I'd imagine it to be more integrated MFA solution for other services online. I don't know, but it could in effect act as something of a "Yubikey" in terms of functionality. Only it's fixed to the hardware, and not intended to be a primary means. Just provides security with more convenience as the devices is, well...trusted. 

Ok, so let me ask you this, my system is locked down via TPM and HelloFace or whatever other crap is "required" by MS.

I get careless and download a keylogger, or worse, an encryption virus. How does the TPM protect me from this?

 

In other words, I'm having a hard time visualizing how the TPM improves security for me...

[LAwLz]

2 hours ago, sof006 said:

I'd imagine its an effort to make Windows more secure, adds a layer of encryption

The thing is that just having a TPM doesn't make anything more secure. It has to actually be used for something to increase security.

So far Microsoft haven't really said HOW they are making Windows more secure or why TPM is required.

[Vishera]

That gave me a good laugh,Windows 11 is just a reskin of 10,and the requirements are ridiculous.

There is no reason what soever to install Windows 11,the UI is so bad and weird,just why does this thing exist?

 

There is no need for Windows 11,

I am writing this from a Windows Vista machine with a modded kernel

 

Spoiler

Jokes aside,Microsoft could can just release those changes as an optional update for Windows 10,and even better with a new theme system that you can modify and create.