Posted October 29, 2020 18 minutes ago, rockking1379 said: . Long as I get the file to store and back up I keep all my music on a flash drive and I regularly back it up to a external hard drive. If those two fail I keep a full copy of my music on a micro sd card inside of my phone. umm you can still buy music from amazon this feels wrong considering that this thread is about amazon not being good. lol Everyone, Creator - 初音ミク Hatsune Miku Google commercial. Cameras: Main: Canon 70D - Secondary: Panasonic GX85 - Spare: Samsung ST68. - Action cams: GoPro Hero+, Akaso EK7000pro Dead cameras: Nikion s4000, Canon XTi Pc's Spoiler Dell optiplex 5050 (main) - i5-6500- 20GB ram -500gb samsung 970 evo 500gb WD blue HDD - dvd r/w HP compaq 8300 prebuilt - Intel i5-3470 - 8GB ram - 500GB HDD - bluray drive old windows 7 gaming desktop - Intel i5 2400 - lenovo CIH61M V:1.0 - 4GB ram - 1TB HDD - dual DVD r/w main laptop acer e5 15 - Intel i3 7th gen - 16GB ram - 1TB HDD - dvd drive school laptop lenovo 300e chromebook 2nd gen - Intel celeron - 4GB ram - 32GB SSD audio mac- 2017 apple macbook air A1466 EMC 3178 Any questions? pm me. #Muricaparrotgang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted October 29, 2020 6 hours ago, sub68 said: This is why I like digital copies (ie the file mp4 or what ever) or physical copies. not viewing though said app my small problem with that (and the reason I don't own a garage full of CDs) is that I don't own a DVD player and my local library only has CDs/BlueRays, not USB sticks like what every brand should be selling jk please quote me or tag me @wall03 so i can see your response motherboard buying guide psu buying guide pc building guide privacy guide ltt meme thread folding at home stats pc: RAM: 16GB DDR4-3200 CL-16 CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 @ 3.6GHz SSD: 256GB SP GPU: Radeon RX 570 8GB OC OS: Windows 10 Status: Main PC Cinebench R23 score: 9097 (multi) 1236 (single) don't some things look better when they are lowercase? -wall03 hello dark mode users goodbye light mode users Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted October 29, 2020 1 minute ago, wall03 said: my small problem with that is that I don't own a DVD player *looks at three pc that have dvd drives 1 minute ago, wall03 said: only has CDs/BlueRays, not USB sticks oh Everyone, Creator - 初音ミク Hatsune Miku Google commercial. Cameras: Main: Canon 70D - Secondary: Panasonic GX85 - Spare: Samsung ST68. - Action cams: GoPro Hero+, Akaso EK7000pro Dead cameras: Nikion s4000, Canon XTi Pc's Spoiler Dell optiplex 5050 (main) - i5-6500- 20GB ram -500gb samsung 970 evo 500gb WD blue HDD - dvd r/w HP compaq 8300 prebuilt - Intel i5-3470 - 8GB ram - 500GB HDD - bluray drive old windows 7 gaming desktop - Intel i5 2400 - lenovo CIH61M V:1.0 - 4GB ram - 1TB HDD - dual DVD r/w main laptop acer e5 15 - Intel i3 7th gen - 16GB ram - 1TB HDD - dvd drive school laptop lenovo 300e chromebook 2nd gen - Intel celeron - 4GB ram - 32GB SSD audio mac- 2017 apple macbook air A1466 EMC 3178 Any questions? pm me. #Muricaparrotgang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted October 29, 2020 24 minutes ago, sub68 said: I keep all my music on a flash drive and I regularly back it up to a external hard drive. If those two fail I keep a full copy of my music on a micro sd card inside of my phone. umm you can still buy music from amazon this feels wrong considering that this thread is about amazon not being good. lol hAvE yOu TrIeD uSiNg GrOoVe MuSiC? Intel® Core™ i7-12700 | GIGABYTE B660 AORUS MASTER DDR4 | Gigabyte Radeon™ RX 6650 XT Gaming OC | 32GB Corsair Vengeance® RGB Pro SL DDR4 | Samsung 990 Pro 1TB | WD Green 1.5TB | Windows 11 Pro | NZXT H510 Flow White Sony MDR-V250 | GNT-500 | Logitech G610 Orion Brown | Logitech G402 | Samsung C27JG5 | ASUS ProArt PA238QR iPhone 12 Mini (iOS 17.2.1) | iPhone XR (iOS 17.2.1) | iPad Mini (iOS 9.3.5) | KZ AZ09 Pro x KZ ZSN Pro X | Sennheiser HD450bt Intel® Core™ i7-1265U | Kioxia KBG50ZNV512G | 16GB DDR4 | Windows 11 Enterprise | HP EliteBook 650 G9 Intel® Core™ i5-8520U | WD Blue M.2 250GB | 1TB Seagate FireCuda | 16GB DDR4 | Windows 11 Home | ASUS Vivobook 15 Intel® Core™ i7-3520M | GT 630M | 16 GB Corsair Vengeance® DDR3 | Samsung 850 EVO 250GB | macOS Catalina | Lenovo IdeaPad P580 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted October 29, 2020 Just now, BlueChinchillaEatingDorito said: hAvE yOu TrIeD uSiNg GrOoVe MuSiC? that app was bad man it took forever to load up a song Everyone, Creator - 初音ミク Hatsune Miku Google commercial. Cameras: Main: Canon 70D - Secondary: Panasonic GX85 - Spare: Samsung ST68. - Action cams: GoPro Hero+, Akaso EK7000pro Dead cameras: Nikion s4000, Canon XTi Pc's Spoiler Dell optiplex 5050 (main) - i5-6500- 20GB ram -500gb samsung 970 evo 500gb WD blue HDD - dvd r/w HP compaq 8300 prebuilt - Intel i5-3470 - 8GB ram - 500GB HDD - bluray drive old windows 7 gaming desktop - Intel i5 2400 - lenovo CIH61M V:1.0 - 4GB ram - 1TB HDD - dual DVD r/w main laptop acer e5 15 - Intel i3 7th gen - 16GB ram - 1TB HDD - dvd drive school laptop lenovo 300e chromebook 2nd gen - Intel celeron - 4GB ram - 32GB SSD audio mac- 2017 apple macbook air A1466 EMC 3178 Any questions? pm me. #Muricaparrotgang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted October 29, 2020 1 minute ago, sub68 said: that app was bad man it took forever to load up a song No Joke I actually use Groove Music though Loads up pretty much instantly for me (well... if the HDD doesn't need to wake up) Intel® Core™ i7-12700 | GIGABYTE B660 AORUS MASTER DDR4 | Gigabyte Radeon™ RX 6650 XT Gaming OC | 32GB Corsair Vengeance® RGB Pro SL DDR4 | Samsung 990 Pro 1TB | WD Green 1.5TB | Windows 11 Pro | NZXT H510 Flow White Sony MDR-V250 | GNT-500 | Logitech G610 Orion Brown | Logitech G402 | Samsung C27JG5 | ASUS ProArt PA238QR iPhone 12 Mini (iOS 17.2.1) | iPhone XR (iOS 17.2.1) | iPad Mini (iOS 9.3.5) | KZ AZ09 Pro x KZ ZSN Pro X | Sennheiser HD450bt Intel® Core™ i7-1265U | Kioxia KBG50ZNV512G | 16GB DDR4 | Windows 11 Enterprise | HP EliteBook 650 G9 Intel® Core™ i5-8520U | WD Blue M.2 250GB | 1TB Seagate FireCuda | 16GB DDR4 | Windows 11 Home | ASUS Vivobook 15 Intel® Core™ i7-3520M | GT 630M | 16 GB Corsair Vengeance® DDR3 | Samsung 850 EVO 250GB | macOS Catalina | Lenovo IdeaPad P580 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted October 29, 2020 7 hours ago, Fasauceome said: I'm sure there's some contractual outline in the TOS and who reads that anyway? So I doubt Amazon will have trouble winning this case That's not actually the case. Just because something is in the tos does not mean they will win the case. If you false advertise but put an exception in the tos that doesn't make you immune to being sued for false advertisement. It is pretty common for tos to not hold up in court. The reason for this is to prevent companies for intentionally misleading people and using tos as an excuse to get away with it. Granted I'm not a lawyer and this is mostly based off of my conversations with my mom about tos who happens to be a contract lawyer so take this with a grain of salt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted October 29, 2020 7 hours ago, Fasauceome said: I'm sure there's some contractual outline in the TOS and who reads that anyway? So I doubt Amazon will have trouble winning this case Also even the wording in the tos is misleading. They use "indefinite amount of time" in the wording instead of a more clear term like unspecified or undefined. While indefinite has a clear meaning indefinitely doesn't and can mean either infinity or unspecified so some might assume they are referring to indefinitely and therefore an infinite amount of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted October 29, 2020 I recall a few cases being lost when the defense argued that it's "clearly stated in the ToS". Where the layman's position is taken and found that the average person is unable to tell the difference, or the description at the time of purchase shows it to not be so to the layman. CPU: Intel core i7-8086K Case: CORSAIR Crystal 570X RGB CPU Cooler: Corsair Hydro Series H150i PRO RGB Storage: Samsung 980 Pro - 2TB NVMe SSD PSU: EVGA 1000 GQ, 80+ GOLD 1000W, Semi Modular GPU: MSI Radeon RX 580 GAMING X 8G RAM: Corsair Dominator Platinum 64GB (4 x 16GB) DDR4 3200mhz Motherboard: Asus ROG STRIX Z370-E Gaming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted October 30, 2020 11 hours ago, wkdpaul said: most don't know the difference between WiFi and Internet. There's a difference!?! I mean...I'd give people the benefit of a doubt... Guides & Tutorials: PROXMOX - Rebuilding ZFS RAID rpool After Disk Failure Mass Deploying Customized Windows 10/11 Installs Building a GNU/Linux Based Windows Deployment Server GNU/Linux Installer Server: Installation & Configuration How to: Use (i)PXE to Install Windows from a Network Why Memorize IP's When You Can Self-Host DNS Instead? Ventoy - The USB Multi-Boot Utility! Introduction to PXE/iPXE Network Boot Featuring FreeBSD & Ubuntu Server Don't see what you need? Check the Full List or *PM me, if I haven't made it I'll add it to the list. *NOTE: I'll only add it to the list if the request is something I know I can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted October 30, 2020 Makes me curious about representation and how the suit was filed. Crazy lawsuits happen, but if there’s a class action and a real firm picked it up this whole bit would have been planned for, and someone on the legal team thinks there’s a good reason they can win this thing. Not a pro, not even very good. I’m just old and have time currently. Assuming I know a lot about computers can be a mistake. Life is like a bowl of chocolates: there are all these little crinkly paper cups everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted October 30, 2020 16 hours ago, JZStudios said: I've lately been questioning the legality of screen recording movies. If DVR and taping radio are both legal, where does screen recording on a computer stand? In the UK at least both of the first two are technically illegal, but never enforced. Not sure about the rest of the world but that may be a factor in other parts of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted October 30, 2020 Surprised this lawsuit is going through. I thought we already accepted our new license based overlords. Youtube/Google and Apple also already offer movie purchase/rentals, as does Cineplex (Canadian movie theatre chain). Dont see how this differs to any other rental or subscription service, if it applies to them it applies to Amazon MOAR COARS: 5GHz "Confirmed" Black Edition™ The Build AMD 5950X 4.7/4.6GHz All Core Dynamic OC + 1900MHz FCLK | 5GHz+ PBO | ASUS X570 Dark Hero | 32 GB 3800MHz 14-15-15-30-48-1T GDM 8GBx4 | PowerColor AMD Radeon 6900 XT Liquid Devil @ 2700MHz Core + 2130MHz Mem | 2x 480mm Rad | 8x Blacknoise Noiseblocker NB-eLoop B12-PS Black Edition 120mm PWM | Thermaltake Core P5 TG Ti + Additional 3D Printed Rad Mount Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted October 30, 2020 I think they just might ask Amazon to change what it says on the purchase button or the whole lawsuit might just become a battle of words, like what does the word purchase mean (I know what it means...I want to say that Amazon might say that it means *something*something*something*something* and then the court might say it means *something else**something else*something else* ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted October 30, 2020 22 hours ago, Velcade said: If there's no way to download the media and play it outside of Prime then you don't own that media. Although I really cringe siding with Amazon...I agree. It's kind of like renting the same shows or movies over and over and over again. You have 'access' to it for as long as you pay for a subscription, but you never really own the media. For example, if you were to go to rent the same DVD that costs the store $20 a dozen times, you never own it just because you've given the rental store more than its worth... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted October 30, 2020 See, this is why I don't buy digital movies, the companies involved (or movie makers, if the policies have come from them) always find a way to f*** you over and say that you don't "own" them. I'd rather buy a blu-ray and rip a digital copy and keep the original disc safe and sound. Please quote my post, or put @paddy-stone if you want me to respond to you. Spoiler PCs:- Main PC build https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/2K6Q7X ASUS x53e - i7 2670QM / Sony BD writer x8 / Win 10, Elemetary OS, Ubuntu/ Samsung 830 SSD Lenovo G50 - 8Gb RAM - Samsung 860 Evo 250GB SSD - DVD writer Displays:- Philips 55 OLED 754 model Panasonic 55" 4k TV LG 29" Ultrawide Philips 24" 1080p monitor as backup Storage/NAS/Servers:- ESXI/test build https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/4wyR9G Main Server https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/3Qftyk Backup server - HP Proliant Gen 8 4 bay NAS running FreeNAS ZFS striped 3x3TiB WD reds HP ProLiant G6 Server SE316M1 Twin Hex Core Intel Xeon E5645 2.40GHz 48GB RAM Gaming/Tablets etc:- Xbox One S 500GB + 2TB HDD PS4 Nvidia Shield TV Xiaomi/Pocafone F2 pro 8GB/256GB Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Unused Hardware currently :- 4670K MSI mobo 16GB ram i7 6700K b250 mobo Zotac GTX 1060 6GB Amp! edition Zotac GTX 1050 mini Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted October 30, 2020 1 hour ago, jeanluckpiccard said: Although I really cringe siding with Amazon...I agree. It's kind of like renting the same shows or movies over and over and over again. You have 'access' to it for as long as you pay for a subscription, but you never really own the media. For example, if you were to go to rent the same DVD that costs the store $20 a dozen times, you never own it just because you've given the rental store more than its worth... There seems to be some confusion going on here. Amazon Prime Video is two things: 1. A subscription based service that offers a catalogue of content to watch unlimited number of times as you wish 2. A Rental/Sales based service for digital content We're talking about the 2nd thing - when you "buy" a movie on Prime, An Amazon Prime Membership is not required. If you have prime and let your sub laps, you can still watch that movie you bought. You can buy movies without ever subbing to prime (same with renting). For Sale: Meraki Bundle iPhone Xr 128 GB Product Red - HP Spectre x360 13" (i5 - 8 GB RAM - 256 GB SSD) - HP ZBook 15v G5 15" (i7-8850H - 16 GB RAM - 512 GB SSD - NVIDIA Quadro P600) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted October 30, 2020 No one remembers Blockbuster? You never owned that shit either. DISCLAIMER Everything i say is my own opinion. So if you disagree with what I post, you are wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted October 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, wANKER said: No one remembers Blockbuster? You never owned that shit either. You did if you didn’t return it whether you wanted to or not. It could get quite expensive. I remember finding a misplaced blockbuster disc, cursing, attempting to return it, and being refused, because they’d rather sell me the disc. Not a pro, not even very good. I’m just old and have time currently. Assuming I know a lot about computers can be a mistake. Life is like a bowl of chocolates: there are all these little crinkly paper cups everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted October 30, 2020 5 hours ago, CarlBar said: In the UK at least both of the first two are technically illegal, but never enforced. Not sure about the rest of the world but that may be a factor in other parts of the world. Hmm. According to one guy online it seems it's legal to record, but not to hold it for an indefinite period of time, in the UK. It all seems very muddy. As to screen recording, add in the fact that you could have "purchased" the movie and you're just watching it offline... 1 hour ago, jeanluckpiccard said: Although I really cringe siding with Amazon...I agree. It's kind of like renting the same shows or movies over and over and over again. You have 'access' to it for as long as you pay for a subscription, but you never really own the media. For example, if you were to go to rent the same DVD that costs the store $20 a dozen times, you never own it just because you've given the rental store more than its worth... The difference is that rental stores never give an "indefinite rental period we can revoke at any point" under the guise of a "purchase." It's always explicitly a rental with either a limitation on rental time (i.e. a week) or items rented at a time. Amazon has a "Rent" payment option of 48 hours or something, and a "Purchase" payment option to "own*" *You rent for an indefinite period of time, removable by us for any reason at any time. 32 minutes ago, wANKER said: No one remembers Blockbuster? You never owned that shit either. ^Ditto. Amazon has a rental and a purchase option. If you purchased a movie from Blockbuster, which was an option, you owned it. The Amazon purchase option is treated as indefinite rental period under the guise of purchasing and owning it. #Muricaparrotgang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted October 31, 2020 Exactly it's false advertising or.. worse? Like actually scamming basically they say "purchase" but really mean "rent"... Valve is currently arguing very similar in a case in France btw, where they say you don't "buy" games on Steam, you just "rent" them... Even though it clearly says buy / purchase in their DRM client (or elsewhere) and I'm also pretty sure in the past they advertised the games you "buy" being "yours forever" so clearly misleading the customer... I sure hope all this stuff gets regulated better and less in favor of the big corporations, or even regulated at all, it all feels kinda like the wild wild west of digital "ownership" still. The direction tells you... the direction. -Scott Manley, 2021 Softwares used: Corsair Link (Anime Edition) MSI Afterburner OpenRGB Lively Wallpaper OBS Studio Shutter Encoder Avidemux FSResizer Audacity VLC WMP GIMP HWiNFO64 Paint 3D Paint GitHub Desktop Superposition Prime95 Aida64 GPUZ CPUZ Generic Logviewer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted November 1, 2020 On 10/30/2020 at 10:08 AM, wANKER said: No one remembers Blockbuster? You never owned that shit either. I remember it well, but its to old for most of the kids on LTT. Renting games from independent stores was nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted November 3, 2020 On 10/29/2020 at 11:33 AM, wkdpaul said: Agreed, but that's a distinction most of us here understand, but like I said, their point is that the purchase options are misleading, and for someone that doesn't know that you need a video file to actually own the media, it does seem to be misleading on the part or Amazon. Keep in mind that the vast majority of the population is EXTREMELY tech illiterate, nowadays, most don't know the difference between WiFi and Internet. Aint that the truth. I've had friends ask me what the best wifi provider in town is... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted November 3, 2020 The person who filed this is insane. In that case all the movies that I downloaded for offline viewing with my netflix subscription should be my property. I will recommend an NHu12s (or an NHd15 (maybe)) for your PC build. Quote or @ me @Prodigy_Smit for me to see your replies. PSU Teir List | Howdy! A Windows Hello Alternative Desktop : i7 8700 | Quadro P4000 8GB | 64gb 2933Mhz cl18 | 500 GB Samsung 960 Pro | 1tb SSD Samsung 850 evo Laptop : ASUS G14 | R9 5900hs | RTX 3060 | 16GB 3200Mhz | 1 TB SSD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted November 3, 2020 15 minutes ago, Smit Devrukhkar said: The person who filed this is insane. In that case all the movies that I downloaded for offline viewing with my netflix subscription should be my property. No, that isn't analogous. With Netflix, you paid for a subscription - not for individual movies. With the situation in this Amazon lawsuit, people are marketed individual movies and they pay for individual movies. And, according to what's been posted in this thread, Amazon's own ToS describes people's movie purchases as actually purchasing the digital content, calling the movie purchases "Purchased Digital Content". And on Amazon Prime's website, it says that people can buy the movies. What would be insane about thinking that when you buy a movie, you bought the movie? People have been buying movies for many decades. You own the software that you purchase - Understanding software licenses and EULAs "We’ll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the american public believes is false" - William Casey, CIA Director 1981-1987 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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