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[CerealExperimentsLain]

13 minutes ago, dalekphalm said:

One thing to keep in mind that your health is not really an indicator of whether you'll have a mild or severe reaction to the vaccine. It all has to do with the specifics of your immune system, which isn't something you can really measure or tell about.

A lot of people don't get it but most of the symptoms you get from a lot of illnesses are not the 'disease', it's your immune system fighting the disease.  No illness gives you a 'runny nose' for example, those illnesses make your immune system cause your nose to run as a metaphorical 'closing of the gates' to prevent additional infection.  The absence of a runny nose is an absence of an specific immune system response.

[WhitetailAni]

Sigh.

Our church did mask-optional. Except it's really no-mask.

The way it's laid out now is that the entire building is mask-optional, and there's a mask-required live stream of the service in the gym.

Thing is, everyone is not wearing a mask. I saw none anywhere - none in Sunday school, none in the sanctuary, none in the halls. And in the gym, there were 5 people - me, my 3 sibilings, and my mom.

In the 9 AM service, there was one person - a family friend.

And to top it all off, someone is still in the hospital from a COVID case. He's been there for 6 weeks. There's some slight improvement according to my mom.

[12345678]

done pfizer

 

the area feels swallowen, hurtful when I do move it

now I did notice some muscle spasm in that area, dunno if it's normal or if it's just a coincidence

 

never had muscle spasms in that area, though I had some in the past in my legs

[Falkentyne]

Got first dose of the moderna one last night.

[Andreas Lilja]

Appointment website thing is giving people the choice between Moderna and Pfizer. Sadly I'm still stuck with July 21st, want to get that over with.

[Andreas Lilja]

So the first person to be vaccinated in Quebec, a 89 year old woman, has passed away.

 

And... conspiracy theorists are connecting the dots on social media.

 

 

[Andreas Lilja]

Just now, Benji said:

Because that couldn't be related to the age or anything...

Let me guess, she didn't even die of COVID.

Natural causes according to all outlets.

 

But that's a cover up, uh.

[Andreas Lilja]

New Québec directive allows for shorter spans between two shots, just went from July 21st to 8th.

[Guest]

On 7/1/2021 at 3:30 AM, dalekphalm said:

One thing to keep in mind that your health is not really an indicator of whether you'll have a mild or severe reaction to the vaccine. It all has to do with the specifics of your immune system, which isn't something you can really measure or tell about.

We can measure anything about the immune system, they're just aren't regular tested (apart from white blood cell count and C-reactive protein, Interleukin -6, latter two are surrogates for how active your immune system is during chronic inflammation. Chances are if you have high CRP, you have an underlying chronic illness, or ongoing inflammatory response - may be eligible for a vaccine early. This is typically monitored for for a range of conditions like post-myocardial infarct, systemic autoimmune diseases (lupus, rheumatoid arthritis, spondylitis), and during treatment for various conditions. 

 

For instance, I'm evaluating CD8+ T Cell (The immune cells that kill other cells - involved in anti- tumour and antiviral responses etc) infiltrate in colorectal cancer tumours, among other interesting immune cell types. 

 

I would not underestimate how global the immune system and it's markers are. Moreover, just how useless it is to measure them. But you know, we can measure just about anything about the immune system. It's quite impressive the range of antibodies we have to tag phenotypic markers - as long as we can target the marker, we can measure it. 

 

Very triggered by your statement. 

[dalekphalm]

4 hours ago, RorzNZ said:

We can measure anything about the immune system, they're just aren't regular tested (apart from white blood cell count and C-reactive protein, Interleukin -6, latter two are surrogates for how active your immune system is during chronic inflammation. Chances are if you have high CRP, you have an underlying chronic illness, or ongoing inflammatory response - may be eligible for a vaccine early. This is typically monitored for for a range of conditions like post-myocardial infarct, systemic autoimmune diseases (lupus, rheumatoid arthritis, spondylitis), and during treatment for various conditions. 

You're correct - but this is not something any typical person will ever know about themselves unless there was a pre-existing medical reason to know.

 

My primary point being that you can have an excellent immune system, or one underperforming, and you might look identical from the outside in both cases.

4 hours ago, RorzNZ said:

For instance, I'm evaluating CD8+ T Cell (The immune cells that kill other cells - involved in anti- tumour and antiviral responses etc) infiltrate in colorectal cancer tumours, among other interesting immune cell types. 

 

I would not underestimate how global the immune system and it's markers are. Moreover, just how useless it is to measure them. But you know, we can measure just about anything about the immune system. It's quite impressive the range of antibodies we have to tag phenotypic markers - as long as we can target the marker, we can measure it. 

 

Very triggered by your statement. 

Haha feel free to be triggered

[Guest]

3 hours ago, dalekphalm said:

You're correct - but this is not something any typical person will ever know about themselves unless there was a pre-existing medical reason to know.

If you visit your GP on a regular basis or get any bloods done, it should pick up abnormalities. It unfortunate you are correct that the average person does not do this. 

3 hours ago, dalekphalm said:

My primary point being that you can have an excellent immune system, or one underperforming, and you might look identical from the outside in both cases.

Depends on a variety of factors. If the individual is being treated properly, yes. If not, or even if so, there are many visual diagnostic tests available. Usually these are necessary before further testing due to severity. I kind of agree though regarding visual cues - unfortunately people are so different thats where it becomes problematic. 

3 hours ago, dalekphalm said:

Haha feel free to be triggered

oh big time. 

[dalekphalm]

Just now, RorzNZ said:

If you visit your GP on a regular basis or get any bloods done, it should pick up abnormalities. It unfortunate you are correct that the average person does not do this. 

While there is no doubt massive variation here, I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that the vast majority of people do not visit their GP unless there is something wrong.

 

And, in many countries, preventative medicine isn't really practiced all that strongly (or it varies per which Doctor you happen to have).

Just now, RorzNZ said:

Depends on a variety of factors. If the individual is being treated properly, yes. If not, or even if so, there are many visual diagnostic tests available. Usually these are necessary before further testing due to severity. I kind of agree though regarding visual cues - unfortunately people are so different thats where it becomes problematic. 

Agreed.

Just now, RorzNZ said:

oh big time. 

You're welcome

[Kilrah]

23 minutes ago, dalekphalm said:

While there is no doubt massive variation here, I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that the vast majority of people do not visit their GP unless there is something wrong.

And they would be right to as the data shows.

 

 

[IkeaGnome]

Getting ready for a trip to Europe in the next couple of months. Just got off the phone with our COVID coordinator. Basically, since I'm fully vaccinated they won't do anything with me. No test, no quarantine. Only what the state requires. Since I work in critical infrastructure the state says I can quarantine here at work.

 

Something doesn't quite seem correct in that statement.

[Quackers101]

Why I continue to say to "check if you get a real vaccine", fake vaccines in india, fake vaccines that can make the whole mutation and spreading of a virus even worse.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/07/05/india/india-fake-covid-vaccine-scam-intl-hnk/index.html

Thousands effected, hospitals used salt water instead of the vaccine.

Sadly it might not always be easy to know or to check if you will get a real vaccine either way

In a first world country might be less effected by something like this, but it can happen too. Either a money situation, desperation (buying from grey market invalid to fake vaccines) or something else. Not to make you vaccine hesitant though.

[WkdPaul]

new appointment for my 2nd dose ; tomorrow @ 6pm !

 

I'll finally have my full 5G coverage !

[Quackers101]

2 minutes ago, wkdpaul said:

new appointment for my 2nd dose ; tomorrow @ 6pm !

 

I'll finally have my full 5G coverage !

fake news! they had to update it, surely you got a little bit of 6G in you now!

[sub68]

On 6/21/2021 at 9:53 PM, sub68 said:

 

fine you guys win

Before

255MS

after

258MS

 

2 second shot reaction time

[WkdPaul]

Not exactly COVID news, but somewhat related ; Moderna used what it learned on the mRNA COVID vaccine and is applying it to a new flu vaccine, they started trials for mRNA flu vaccines, specifically targeting 4 flu viruses (H1N1, H3N2, Yamagata and Victoria).

 

https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/07/mrna-vaccine-technology-moves-to-flu-moderna-says-trial-has-begun/

 

[Commodus]

23 minutes ago, wkdpaul said:

Not exactly COVID news, but somewhat related ; Moderna used what it learned on the mRNA COVID vaccine and is applying it to a new flu vaccine, they started trials for mRNA flu vaccines, specifically targeting 4 flu viruses (H1N1, H3N2, Yamagata and Victoria).

 

https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/07/mrna-vaccine-technology-moves-to-flu-moderna-says-trial-has-begun/

 

It would be a trip if mRNA developments led to truly effective flu vaccines that basically made pandemic-era flu levels (i.e. very low) the norm.

[freeagent]

I got my second dose on Canada day. First shot was Pfizer and second was Moderna. I had a sore arm, and some ringing in my ear. Other than that I feel pretty good. Nanobots are doing their job.

 

[Quackers101]

6 minutes ago, Commodus said:

It would be a trip if mRNA developments led to truly effective flu vaccines that basically made pandemic-era flu levels (i.e. very low) the norm.

robotic vaccine factories in the body, goes like a printer "BRRRRRR!"

[dalekphalm]

1 hour ago, Quackers101 said:

robotic vaccine factories in the body, goes like a printer "BRRRRRR!"

Just as long as it doesn't cause "PCLoadLetter" or "Spooler Error" in your brain xD

[Kilrah]

8 minutes ago, dalekphalm said:

Just as long as it doesn't cause "PCLoadLetter" or "Spooler Error" in your brain xD

That's about what I had the day after, was all jammed/locked up...

[dalekphalm]

2 hours ago, wkdpaul said:

Not exactly COVID news, but somewhat related ; Moderna used what it learned on the mRNA COVID vaccine and is applying it to a new flu vaccine, they started trials for mRNA flu vaccines, specifically targeting 4 flu viruses (H1N1, H3N2, Yamagata and Victoria).

 

https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/07/mrna-vaccine-technology-moves-to-flu-moderna-says-trial-has-begun/

 

I'm incredibly curious about this - I'll have to keep an eye out for results of their trials.

 

This could be a game changer, especially if they can manage to target some part of the influenza virus that doesn't mutate much (one of the reasons why the mRNA COVID vaccines are so effective is that they target the Spike Protein, which is how the virus infects us, and is very unlikely to change substantially with standard mutations).