GamersNexus discovers Nvidia's secret highly binned 2070 chip | Not all 2070s are made equal

[Mihle]

At least they didnt call it 1080.

[JoostinOnline]

AMD is killing it in the CPU market right now, but where we really need them is in the GPU market.

[dtaflorida]

I really hate shopping for tech these days. Besides all the obvious choices to filter by, now you gotta dig into the details to see which chip you're actually getting, cuz who wants to be the fool that paid $100 more for the lower binned chip?

 

Consumer overclocking with non-exotic cooling died when AIBs started binning chips. The only thing we can do now is try to avoid paying more than the product is worth.

[Misanthrope]

I guess it was only a matter of time before Nvidia decided 'Fuck those peasants, they don't need to know about our 8 different SKUs per model anyway'

[porina]

2 hours ago, Brooksie359 said:

They talked about this a long time ago near launch that nvidia would do binning on all chips and sell the better chips at a higher price. I am unsure how this is even news. It's not even that big of a difference once both are overclocked. 

The above is my recollection too. I don't recall where I saw it, but the existence of a lower and higher grade chip is NOT a surprise.

 

GN Steve has been going downhill recently so much so I had to unsub. How he presents and spins stuff painful to watch. The world doesn't need his clickbait rants.

[Brooksie359]

Just now, porina said:

The above is my recollection too. I don't recall where I saw it, but the existence of a lower and higher grade chip is NOT a surprise.

 

GN Steve has been going downhill recently so much so I had to unsub. How he presents and spins stuff painful to watch. The world doesn't need his clickbait rants.

I had watched the video anyways. I like GN mainly because they have really good testing and technical information that I don't really get anywhere else. It was interesting to see how much of a difference it actually made. I think some of the opinions he expresses in his videos are the sentiments of his contacts at the AIBs. 

[porina]

4 minutes ago, Brooksie359 said:

I had watched the video anyways. I like GN mainly because they have really good testing and technical information that I don't really get anywhere else. It was interesting to see how much of a difference it actually made. I think some of the opinions he expresses in his videos are the sentiments of his contacts at the AIBs. 

That was one of the last videos I watched before I unsub. I found myself clicking the dislike button more often than not by that point, and wondered why I kept watching. I do like their testing, but suffice to say the presentation is a major turn off for me. Went through similar with Hardware Unboxed too.

[aakopa]

Sounds smart, at least now you finally get good return on your money when you buy fancier card. They could be more transparent with this though.

[Brooksie359]

2 minutes ago, porina said:

That was one of the last videos I watched before I unsub. I found myself clicking the dislike button more often than not by that point, and wondered why I kept watching. I do like their testing, but suffice to say the presentation is a major turn off for me. Went through similar with Hardware Unboxed too.

Dang that sucks. I honestly think both of them have the best testing around. When I want to see benchmarks I usually watch them first. Then again I hardly ever actually watch them talking and skip right to the benchmarks and testing. 

[orbitalbuzzsaw]

2 hours ago, Spotty said:

In the case of their CPUs that came down to good old fashioned silicon lottery. It's been mentioned numerous times that Jay's 7980xe is a "golden sample", even derbauer said he was impressed with how well it overclocks.

 

You'll always have some dies perform slightly better than others sure to the way they're manufactured. In the past it was just a lottery whether you'd get a good chip or a bad chip, you'd still pay the same price and they won't be marked/branded differently. Now though, Nvidia is separating the good from the bad and selling them to AIB partners at different prices. A little bit similar to how the 8086k is a binned 8700k.

 

I don't care that Nvidia are doing this. I feel like I should care, but honestly most of the people wanting to overclock are going to buy the more expensive skus like the strix or ftw cards with the better vrms and better coolers anyway. Those who don't care about overclocking will just buy whatever card is cheaper and put it in to their machine and never touch it again, happy as long as fortnite runs at 300fps on their 1080p60hz monitor.

We need an "agree but still made me laugh" button lol

[Guest]

3 hours ago, sazrocks said:

Intel: “Look at how much profit margin we have!”

Nvidia: “Hold my beer.”

Apple makes them both look cute. 

[Mira Yurizaki]

If AIBs were binning the GPUs they were purchasing from NVIDIA to sort them to the higher end board SKUs, how much money will this save them by not having to test the GPUs when NVIDIA already did the work for them?

[TVwazhere]

Paul's Hardware did some testing on this a while ago

His results were strikingly similar. 

[pas008]

3 hours ago, AluminiumTech said:

Usually they all are the same chip and AIBs sorts these in bins and do stuff that way using good ones in expensive cards.

 

Now Nvidia is holding back the good chips from AIBs on purpose to extort more money from them.

 

3 hours ago, AluminiumTech said:

The problem is that currently Nvidia's markup is wayyy higher than the markup AIBs ever put.

 

Some AIBs have told Steve that the profit margins are super tiny on the 20 series cards because Nvidia is charging so much.

if aibs arent really making much then why are they still buying chips? or as you say extorted

and didnt kyle state this when he was whining about gpp

3 hours ago, Brooksie359 said:

They talked about this a long time ago near launch that nvidia would do binning on all chips and sell the better chips at a higher price. I am unsure how this is even news. It's not even that big of a difference once both are overclocked. 

I thought I read something long ago too

2 hours ago, Syntaxvgm said:

Forcing AIBs to sit in the back of the bin is unjust. All OEMs should be treated equally! 

no so someone buying 2000 chips should be treated same as someone that purchases 100000

business partnerships are never treated equal on any front

2 hours ago, Tech Enthusiast said:

So, people getting hurt over something that has happened for about,... forever.

 

NVidia doing the extreme binning now only means one thing:

Costumer now KNOW they will get a better chip if they pay more.

Before this, you could go out, buy a 1000$ 1080 ti and get the same value as that other guy, paying 750 for his 1080ti.

Sure, it could also go the other way and you could land a big silicone lottery win, but who enjoyed that "luck"?

 

I see no reason to get angry over this now. It is better for us costumers and not worse. 

exactly, cpu binning been going on for yrs

amd does it on their ryzen chips right? lol

[Syntaxvgm]

9 minutes ago, pas008 said:

 

no so someone buying 2000 chips should be treated same as someone that purchases 100000

 

no, I was making a shitpost racism joke. 

[NumLock21]

As much as I like Gamers Nexus, but they did not discover this. This info was already known.

[thorhammerz]

1 hour ago, pas008 said:

if aibs arent really making much then why are they still buying chips? or as you say extorted

Profit via volume (some profit from selling on low margin is still better than zero profit from not selling); brand recognition simply from the fact that people have a significant component of their rig sold under their brand, etc.

[pas008]

1 hour ago, Syntaxvgm said:

no, I was making a shitpost racism joke. 

k

12 minutes ago, thorhammerz said:

Profit via volume (some profit from selling on low margin is still better than zero profit from not selling); brand recognition simply from the fact that people have a significant component of their rig sold under their brand, etc.

obviously was being sarcastic due to the fact they didnt really design much

and on their own 3rd party shit they do desing they cost more to pick up that margin

 

so whats the problem?

 

ok then

[Tristerin]

Man Im so glad I have yet to buy a GPU in a few years.  I just cant stand being apart of these schemes these companies have.  Looks like Ill be holding out a while longer out of principle.  Even the incoming Polaris refresh has me jaded.

[AlTech]

4 hours ago, pas008 said:

 

if aibs arent really making much then why are they still buying chips? or as you say extorted

Because at the end of the day, some money is better than no money.

 

And most AIBs also act as AICs (AMD's version of AIBs) and sell AMD cards.

 

AIBs don't have tons of leverage which is why they really hate Nvidia's Founders Edition cards.

[S w a t s o n]

Surprised anyone else is surprised. AMD has done this with Polaris already. Ellesmere XTX (base 580) and XTR (Factory OC 580)

[mr moose]

16 hours ago, AluminiumTech said:

 

 

Now Nvidia is holding back the good chips from AIBs on purpose to extort more money from them.

So they are binning and charging more for a chip that passes a higher standard,  that's some mighty unfair extortion there.  

 

Did it not cross your mind that they might not be charging more for it  but actually charging less for the chips that fail?  I mean it is there most expensive series to date.

[Master Disaster]

I thought we knew this was happening from pretty much day one. I seem to remember Nvidia saying they would be offering highly binned GPUs to AIBs for special edition cards and that AIBs can only offer factory OCs on cards with high binned GPUs. Here.

 

Also Steve didn't discovery this, Paul posted a video on October 18th about it

 

[mr moose]

2 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

I thought we knew this was happening from pretty much day one. I seem to remember Nvidia saying they would be offering highly binned GPUs to AIBs for special edition cards and that AIBs can only offer factory OCs on cards with high binned GPUs. Here.

 

Also Steve didn't discovery this, Paul posted a video on October 18th about it

 

So basically nvidia put in extra quality controls to ensure customers  get OC'd products that can actually OC and some people cry extortion?

[Master Disaster]

12 minutes ago, mr moose said:

So basically nvidia put in extra quality controls to ensure customers  get OC'd products that can actually OC and some people cry extortion?

Pretty much yeah, I mean binning has been happening since forever. All Nvidia are doing is making the process fairer by offering AIBs the ability to purchase binned GPUs and use them on factory OCed cards instead of the lottery system that was in place previously.

 

It's actually better for consumers because as you said, it guarantees that if they buy an OCed card they'll get the best performance possible or they can pay less and enter the lottery for a card which might OC well or might not OC at all (which is how it's always been anyway).