Verizon gets Red Hydrogen One

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Verizon is one of the first carriers to be selling the REDHydrogen One, the first holographic smartphone by them expensive camera makers, RED.
 

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HYDROGEN ONE is the world’s first holographic phone with 4-View technology; it’s what 3D always wished it was, and without the glasses. Pair HYDROGEN ONE with Verizon’s best streaming network**, according to Nielsen, and Verizon’s unlimited plan and take full advantage of RED’s groundbreaking holographic media display and multidimensional surround sound for the ultimate streaming experience. The 5.7-inch holographic media machine features an industrial yet polished design with a powerful pogo pin system that allows you to add stackable modules to your phone for added functionality. It’s a revolutionary phone designed for digital creativity, from cinema to music to photography to art.

Combine RED’s 4-View technology with Verizon’s fast and reliable 4G network and it becomes the best choice for content creators. Sharing and watching 4-View content is simply better on the best streaming network. Your friends will be blown away when you show them the holographic video or picture you shot.

 

It will be available at Verzion by the end of this year. On RED site, there are 2 models, aluminum and titanium. Aluminum is $1,295 and Titanium comes out to $1,595

 

http://www.verizon.com/about/news/verizon-will-bring-red-hydrogen-one-worlds-first-holographic-smartphone-best-streaming-network

http://www.red.com/hydrogen

[themaniac]

>$1295 and $1595

and here I thought the iPhone 10 was expensive

[DrMacintosh]

Who thought you could put such a high price tag on such a niche gimmick? 

 

RED being a company that makes cameras, should they have not just stuck to making a more affordable phone with the best camera on a smartphone ever rather than developing this bull? 

 

Makes the iPhone X look cheap....

 

[Shimejii]

10 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

Who thought you could put such a high price tag on such a niche gimmick? 

 

RED being a company that makes cameras, should they have not just stuck to making a more affordable phone with the best camera on a smartphone ever rather than developing this bull? 

 

 

Its mostly for those who want to feel special.

[Zodiark1593]

25 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

Who thought you could put such a high price tag on such a niche gimmick? 

 

RED being a company that makes cameras, should they have not just stuck to making a more affordable phone with the best camera on a smartphone ever rather than developing this bull? 

 

Makes the iPhone X look cheap....

 

Larger camera sensors use a lot of power, so I'd imagine batteries to be one such option. Overpriced Proprietary SSD media (seriously, even smaller sizes cost as much as a decent phone) to handle and offload hundreds of Gigabytes of video would probably be another such option.

 

They seem to be aiming to having this phone be a ("budget") replacement for the full camera unit.

[Brooksie359]

1 hour ago, Shimejii said:

Its mostly for those who want to feel special.

Isn't that what the iPhone already is....

I feel like the iPhone has already become a status symbol. I guess this is for people who the iPhone x isn't special enough for them. 

[Bigbootyjudy]

Here I was looking at the title contemplating if I was going to get it for my next upgrade....... I guess that option is now not an option. I don't like how they have the pins for this "high-speed bus" that will "assault our senses". All that bus is going to be for is proprietary hardware that costs an extra $1000. 

[Shimejii]

2 minutes ago, Brooksie359 said:

Isn't that what the iPhone already is....

I feel like the iPhone has already become a status symbol. I guess this is for people who the iPhone x isn't special enough for them. 

Thats a similar situation, but mostly for hipsters who dont understand tech or people who dont actually know the horrible business practice that is apple.

 

If people put the effort in to researching a company, apple would struggle to sell new phones with the tactics theyve used. They would have money for years to come, so that will never be a worry for them.

[Mooshi]

I have more faith this phone won't have the company back peddling with discounted batteries due to shady updates.

[dizmo]

I'm stoked on the release of this beast. Not so much because I want one, but I can't wait to see how it performs compared to other devices. 

 

A lot of people think this is a phone for them. The everybody's user. When it's clearly not. Partnering with carriers is just an easy way to have people either subsidize it, or buy it because they have more dollars than sense. 

 

Apparently when you buy the phone you also get free access to "4 view" content. A nice touch I guess. MKBHD was pretty impressed with the display. 

 

7 hours ago, DrMacintosh said:

Who thought you could put such a high price tag on such a niche gimmick? 

 

RED being a company that makes cameras, should they have not just stuck to making a more affordable phone with the best camera on a smartphone ever rather than developing this bull? 

 

Makes the iPhone X look cheap....

If you look at the patents, the modular aspect of the device is insane. They have plans to make it so you can turn this into a full on cinematic camera. 

 

Partnering with carriers just expands your advertising, and subsidies allow more people (who don't need it) to buy it. 

 

This has a lot more firsts than the iPhone X. At least here the cost is somewhat warranted. 

5 hours ago, Bigbootyjudy said:

Here I was looking at the title contemplating if I was going to get it for my next upgrade....... I guess that option is now not an option. I don't like how they have the pins for this "high-speed bus" that will "assault our senses". All that bus is going to be for is proprietary hardware that costs an extra $1000. 

If you don't need the high speed bus, it's not really made for you. 

[GDRRiley]

real question is, does it have as many issues as LTT had with there new red camera?

[S w a t s o n]

22 minutes ago, Bigbootyjudy said:

 All that bus is going to be for is proprietary hardware that costs an extra $1000. 

Sounds like typical RED, I'm not surprised at all

[Dabombinable]

1 hour ago, DrMacintosh said:

Who thought you could put such a high price tag on such a niche gimmick? 

 

RED being a company that makes cameras, should they have not just stuck to making a more affordable phone with the best camera on a smartphone ever rather than developing this bull? 

 

Makes the iPhone X look cheap....

 

Except the iPhone X isn't physically worth the asking price.

[DrMacintosh]

1 minute ago, Dabombinable said:

Except the iPhone X isn't physically worth the asking price.

And this phone is? They are hiding the display of this phone, we don’t even know what the panel looks like let alone what it’s made of. I don’t care what some YouTubers have said, I want to see what the front of the phone looks like, just because the tech doesn’t work through a camera doesn’t mean you get to hide part of your phone.....

 

Outside of that display I don’t see anything that could warrant a price tag higher than that of the iPhone Xs other than the brand name RED. 

 

Like I said, it’s a gimmick phone and it’s built for gimmicky people. 

[captain_to_fire]

All I want is for Brandon to be the one to review the camera features and compare stills and videos with competing smartphones like the iPhone X, Pixel 2 XL, GS9+, and the Huawei P20 Pro. I trust his judgement on cameras more than Linus.

[Dabombinable]

Just now, DrMacintosh said:

And this phone is? They are hiding the display of this phone, we don’t even know what the panel looks like let alone what it’s made of. I don’t care what some YouTubers have said, I want to see what the front of the phone looks like, just because the tech doesn’t work through a camera doesn’t mean you get to hide part of your phone.....

 

Outside of that display I don’t see anything that could warrant a price tag higher than that of the iPhone Xs other than the brand name RED. 

 

Like I said, it’s a gimmick phone and it’s built for gimmicky people. 

This phone:

• Has a camera of a higher quality
• Has a far larger battery to go with its capabilities (Apple only uses the bare minimum, hence the performance throttling in newer models when they reach a certain age)
• Has a headphone jack
• Has a USB C gen 3/3.1 port (not a USB 2.0 lighting port)
• Is using a Snapdragon 835 (which are only found in flagship phones 
• Isn't meant to be a status device (Apple products have a lot in common with jewelry) but an actual professional level phone.
• Won't have Siri
• Won't have the fragile EarPods
• Will be more durable.
• Has a micro SD card slot
• Is modular

[D13H4RD]

Ugh. 

 

Guys, this phone was never made for the average Joe. It was never made for those who like their iPhones or mainstream Androids. 

 

It's a niche, in the same way the RED cameras themselves are niches. It's meant to appeal to a very specific audience, especially those who already own a RED camera. 

 

This isn't the phone to set the world on fire with bombastic branding and marketing coupled with a low price. 

[DrMacintosh]

10 minutes ago, Dabombinable said:

Has a camera of a higher quality

It better, that should have been the entire point of this phone since RED is a camera company, not this gimmicky display crap

11 minutes ago, Dabombinable said:

Has a far larger battery to go with its capabilities (Apple only uses the bare minimum, hence the performance throttling in newer models when they reach a certain age)

It better have a bigger battery if the body is literally larger than an iPhone 8 Plus.....

 

Also you are still spewing misinformation about the physics behind why lithium-ion batteries work the way they do and why Apple isn’t doing anything different in terms of battery technology and yet somehow is getting all the blame for something every OEM deals with. Possibly stemming from misinformation about Apples “battery throttling” feature and biased media. 

 

But I digress. 

14 minutes ago, Dabombinable said:

• Has a headphone jack

Is that like the cool new go to argument as to why one phone is better than another? Because that makes a difference about 0% of the time. Nobody cares about not having a headphone jack. Sales haven’t gone down and meaningful amount. 

 

15 minutes ago, Dabombinable said:

Has a USB C gen 3/3.1 port (not a USB 2.0 lighting port)

Ok....I guess it’s so you can transfer your videos quicker? Just putting USB C into a phone doesn’t help unless you are actually going to use that port. 

 

For example the iPhone doesn’t need more than USB 2.0 because 95% of users have probably never used the lighting port to transfer data because the Apple ecosystem is has been built around making that port unnecessary for anything other than charging. 

 

Need to transfer a video? AirDrop it in seconds. Make a backup? iCloud Does it automatically every time you are charging, and on WiFi. Sync your music? iTunes has WiFi syncing. 

 

For this phone USB C kinda makes sense since they probably expect their users to be exporting video often. 

 

23 minutes ago, Dabombinable said:

Is using a Snapdragon 835 (which are only found in flagship phones 

The Snapdragon 835 is a joke compared to the A11

 

24 minutes ago, Dabombinable said:

Isn't meant to be a status device (Apple products have a lot in common with jewelry) but an actual professional level phone.

Of course this is a status device......it’s make by freaking RED! Hell, it’s significantly more of a status device than the iPhone X is, you just don’t want to see that. 

 

Nothing about this phone makes it “Pro.”

 

25 minutes ago, Dabombinable said:

Won't have Siri

Who actually uses any virtual assistant anyway? They are all garbage, including the Google Assitant. 

 

They all do the basic things that people who do use them ask them to do. Things like: Play this song, directions to, call, send a text to, open an app, etc. 

 

So who cares? 

 

27 minutes ago, Dabombinable said:

Won't have the fragile EarPods

EarPods are actually some of the most robust free headphones on the market. They are water resistant to some degree, and get treated like garbage 24/7 by millions and yet they are probably the most popular earphone on the market. 

 

What headphoes are coming with the Hydrogen that are more durable than the EarPods? How do you know they are more durable? Have you seen them? Have you tested them?

 

30 minutes ago, Dabombinable said:

Will be more durable.

While that statement is speculation it is a reasonable deduction thanks to its external appearance. 

 

However anyone actually concerned about device durability would be using a case anyway......so......it’s kinda a moot point. 

 

32 minutes ago, Dabombinable said:

• Has a micro SD card slot
• Is modular

These last two kinda go hand in hand. 

 

I will never understand the obsession with removable storage. I don’t see it as being more convenient than just buying the amount of storage that you need form the start. Internal storage is faster, more secure, and requires no additional management from the user. 

 

As for the “is modular” bit, it’s only modular as long as RED makes modules for it. And the concept of a modular smartphone phone has already been proven to be not be economically viable and I don’t believe RED will be able to capture a market large enough to change that. 

 

Espcially when a comapny like RED is likely to charge 1/4th to 1/2 the cost a new phone for one modular part and will naturally expect you to buy more than one module. 

[Zodiark1593]

3 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

I will never understand the obsession with removable storage. I don’t see it as being more convenient than just buying the amount of storage that you need form the start. Internal storage is faster, more secure, and requires no additional management from the user. 

 

 

Well, if this thing exists to be a more portable video camera that outputs monstrously large raw files, one will require perhaps Terabytes of storage on hand for a long day of use. I think in this case with the likely usage scenario this camera is targeting, removable storage of some kind should be an absolute must unluss you propose equipping such phones with a TB or so of internal storage.

[DrMacintosh]

4 minutes ago, Zodiark1593 said:

Well, if this thing exists to be a more portable video camera that outputs monstrously large raw files, one will require perhaps Terabytes of storage on hand for a long day of use. I think in this case with the likely usage scenario this camera is targeting, removable storage of some kind should be an absolute must unluss you propose equipping such phones with a TB or so of internal storage.

This phone does have a specialized conrctor on the back that I would expect RED to use for this purpose, but that does not appear to the case. 

 

Would it not make the most sense to have 2 SD card slots then? One for storing Video and the other for the phone? Unless the phone starts at 64GB of internal storage. 

 

Having to pop pop out the SD card that contains some data other than the videos/photos from the phone seems very inconvenient and low effort on the part of RED. 

 

 

[D13H4RD]

18 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

Ok....I guess it’s so you can transfer your videos quicker? Just putting USB C into a phone doesn’t help unless you are actually going to use that port. 

 

For example the iPhone doesn’t need more than USB 2.0 because 95% of users have probably never used the lighting port to transfer data because the Apple ecosystem is has been built around making that port unnecessary for anything other than charging. 

 

Need to transfer a video? AirDrop it in seconds. Make a backup? iCloud Does it automatically every time you are charging, and on WiFi. Sync your music? iTunes has WiFi syncing. 

 

For this phone USB C kinda makes sense since they probably expect their users to be exporting video often. 

 

The Snapdragon 835 is a joke compared to the A11

 

I will never understand the obsession with removable storage. I don’t see it as being more convenient than just buying the amount of storage that you need form the start. Internal storage is faster, more secure, and requires no additional management from the user. 

Dude, this is not an iPhone. This isn't a mainstream Android phone. This isn't a phone that you just went in and immediately get. 

 

This phone targets a very specific audience, an audience that doesn't give a rat's kahoot about thinness or materials or OS upgrades. The people whom it targets want lots of storage and high speed transfer because they'll be using it out in the field often and want to capture lots of stuff then transfer it to an external drive via USB-C very quickly so they can get back to using it. The people who NEED a headphone jack to potentially get audio feedback 

 

If you own an iPhone or mainstream Android, you won't be getting one because it wasn't made for you or me. It was made for people who already own a RED camera. 

 

As for the SD835 being a joke compared to the A11, nothing really compares to one except that the A11 is an Apple-exclusive (duh). So they have to settle. 

[JediFragger]

4 hours ago, Shimejii said:

Its mostly for those who want to feel special.

Oh, they're 'special' alright!

[Cole5]

2 hours ago, DrMacintosh said:

. Nobody cares about not having a headphone jack.

 

Ok....I guess it’s so you can transfer your videos quicker? Just putting USB C into a phone doesn’t help unless you are actually going to use that port. 

 

 

Who actually uses any virtual assistant anyway? They are all garbage, including the Google Assitant. 

 

They all do the basic things that people who do use them ask them to do. Things like: Play this song, directions to, call, send a text to, open an app, etc. 

 

So who cares? 

 

 

I do

USB C is nice cause it lasts longer

I do

 

[Carclis]

4 hours ago, DrMacintosh said:

It better, that should have been the entire point of this phone since RED is a camera company, not this gimmicky display crap

Ooops. Where'd those goal posts go?

4 hours ago, DrMacintosh said:

It better have a bigger battery if the body is literally larger than an iPhone 8 Plus.....

 

Also you are still spewing misinformation about the physics behind why lithium-ion batteries work the way they do and why Apple isn’t doing anything different in terms of battery technology and yet somehow is getting all the blame for something every OEM deals with. Possibly stemming from misinformation about Apples “battery throttling” feature and biased media. 

There ones are missing too.

4 hours ago, DrMacintosh said:

Is that like the cool new go to argument as to why one phone is better than another? Because that makes a difference about 0% of the time. Nobody cares about not having a headphone jack. Sales haven’t gone down and meaningful amount. 

Said no one ever. Most, if not all of the best audio devices use a 3.5mm jack and the only reason it was taken away was to sell you adapters, not because it was good for you.

4 hours ago, DrMacintosh said:

Ok....I guess it’s so you can transfer your videos quicker? Just putting USB C into a phone doesn’t help unless you are actually going to use that port. 

 

For example the iPhone doesn’t need more than USB 2.0 because 95% of users have probably never used the lighting port to transfer data because the Apple ecosystem is has been built around making that port unnecessary for anything other than charging. 

 

Need to transfer a video? AirDrop it in seconds. Make a backup? iCloud Does it automatically every time you are charging, and on WiFi. Sync your music? iTunes has WiFi syncing. 

 

For this phone USB C kinda makes sense since they probably expect their users to be exporting video often. 

Goal posts? I might also add that many wouldn't be caught dead using iTunes. It's unnecessary garbage that prevents you from being able to move your own files around freely.

4 hours ago, DrMacintosh said:

The Snapdragon 835 is a joke compared to the A11

This one might have some merit, although not easily comparable and would also require that the A11 doesn't throttle.

4 hours ago, DrMacintosh said:

Of course this is a status device......it’s make by freaking RED! Hell, it’s significantly more of a status device than the iPhone X is, you just don’t want to see that. 

 

Nothing about this phone makes it “Pro.”

I'd wager that not a whole lot of people are aware of the position RED has within the camera industry, especially those who are less engaged with newer technology.

4 hours ago, DrMacintosh said:

Who actually uses any virtual assistant anyway? They are all garbage, including the Google Assitant. 

 

They all do the basic things that people who do use them ask them to do. Things like: Play this song, directions to, call, send a text to, open an app, etc. 

 

So who cares? 

Goal posts?

4 hours ago, DrMacintosh said:

EarPods are actually some of the most robust free headphones on the market. They are water resistant to some degree, and get treated like garbage 24/7 by millions and yet they are probably the most popular earphone on the market. 

 

What headphoes are coming with the Hydrogen that are more durable than the EarPods? How do you know they are more durable? Have you seen them? Have you tested them?

Compatibility. You will be able to use any headphones that use a 3.5mm audio jack and not be limited to proprietary ones that only work with Apple devices. The key idea here is choice.

4 hours ago, DrMacintosh said:

While that statement is speculation it is a reasonable deduction thanks to its external appearance. 

 

However anyone actually concerned about device durability would be using a case anyway......so......it’s kinda a moot point. 

Goal posts?

4 hours ago, DrMacintosh said:

These last two kinda go hand in hand. 

 

I will never understand the obsession with removable storage. I don’t see it as being more convenient than just buying the amount of storage that you need form the start. Internal storage is faster, more secure, and requires no additional management from the user. 

 

As for the “is modular” bit, it’s only modular as long as RED makes modules for it. And the concept of a modular smartphone phone has already been proven to be not be economically viable and I don’t believe RED will be able to capture a market large enough to change that. 

 

Espcially when a comapny like RED is likely to charge 1/4th to 1/2 the cost a new phone for one modular part and will naturally expect you to buy more than one module. 

Given that this phone is designed by RED, a company who specialises in cameras, do you not think it is conceivable that it might be modular like a camera might be, particularly RED's own? The removable storage aspect would be a deal breaker for many. How would you get by being limited to only internal storage? At least here you can carry multiple Micro-SD cards with you if you run out of space, increasing your potential storage as well as making it easier for you to back up and recover your data.

I still fail to understand why this has to become a thread about Apple though. They're not the only ones who can and do command silly prices for their mobile devices. Just look at the Google Pixel. Whilst I'm not particularly interested in any of these, because they don't add anything of interest to me or add enough value, I can see the potential that the RED phone has as a niche product. As far as I'm concerned the expensive devices such as the Pixel and iPhone X are status symbols whilst the RED phone will likely be a niche product.

[Cheezdoodlez]

27 minutes ago, Carclis said:

 I still fail to understand why this has to become a thread about Apple though. 

Because all threads on this format eventually lead to a thread about apple vs <anything> 

 

 

Wonder how much they will charge for additional accessories. And do they include a charger in the box?