Intel is planning to release a 2 core i3 for x299, i3-7360X

[pas008]

7 minutes ago, PianoPlayer88Key said:

While I don't like Intel's specific implementation here, it does remind me of something I really would like to see.

 

I'd love to see just ONE socket be compatible with ALL CPUs.  I want to be able to start with, say, the equivalent of a Kaby Lake Pentium (or Celeron except it only has 2 threads), then upgrade to the equivalent of a 7980XE (but much cheaper preferably), Xeon Platinum, Threadripper, Epyc, etc.  (Intel and AMD used to be inter-socket-compatible with Socket 5, I think it was.)

 

I also want to be able to upgrade to multiple generations.  I don't like the idea of going through the work of disconnecting everything from the motherboard to replace it, just to replace a CPU.  If I could go through 2 or more SeaSonic Prime Platinum PSUs (each dying of old age) BEFORE I have to replace the motherboard due to incompatibility with upgrades.

 

We've had inter-compatibility with PCI Express slots since, when, 2003?  I'd like CPU sockets to be compatible at least that long, and I also wish DIMM slots would be compatible between generations.  Other things, like SATA/SAS, USB, M.2, LAN, WiFi, etc, I'd think could be upgraded by PCIe add-in cards.  (The PCIe slots aren't JUST for video cards, ya know  )

 

Another thing - I think, instead of PCI-E lane and # DIMM support being based on the CPU (like KBL-X only supporting dual channel & 16 lanes & SL-X_i9 supporting quad channel & 44(?) lanes), it should be based on the motherboard form factor.  Some examples:

• Mini ITX: 20 PCIe lanes (1x PCIe x16 + 1x M.2), 2 RAM slots (dual-channel, 1 DIMM, or single-channel, 2 DIMM), or maybe 4 slots? (I think I heard of a mini ITX board with 4 SO-DIMM slots)
• Micro ATX: 68 PCIe lanes (4x PCIe x16 + 1x M.2, or could redistribute), 8 RAM slots quad-channel RAM (1 DIMM/c) or dual-channel (2 DIMM/c, depending on user preference)
• Standard ATX: 120 PCIe lanes (7x PCIe x16 + 2x M.2, or could redistribute), 8 RAM slots (4c/2d or 2c/4d depending on user preference)
• EATX / SSI EEB: 2 CPU sockets 128 PCIe lanes (7x PCIe x16 + 4x M.2), 16 RAM slots (distributable based on user preference), 2 CPU sockets
• as-yet-unnamed standard partly compatible with ATX (can put ATX board in case with this standard but not vice versa): 4 (or 8) CPU sockets, 12 or 16 DIMMs per socket, probably 16 or so PCIe x16 slots (or however many the Supermicro 7089P-TR4T supports) plus that many M.2 ports

Okay that last one might be niche cases, but it'd be at least nice to have a standard for quad- and octa-socket boards, and be able to use off-the-shelf cases designed for them

 

agreed

i'd like to see something like h420 z470 and x499 all same socket with compatibility of their cpu line up from single all way up xx cores

 

 

 

[PianoPlayer88Key]

4 minutes ago, pas008 said:

agreed

i'd like to see something like h420 z470 and x499 all same socket with compatibility of their cpu line up from single all way up xx cores

Yes, this, and a very important part for me is multiple-generation compatibility, and multiple CPU vendor compatibility (like Socket 5 had).  We should have been able to upgrade P4 > Q6600 > i7-2600K > Ryzen 7 1700X > 2022-era Epyc without swapping out the motherboard.

[Dabombinable]

Ok. Who let the untrained monkey's out of their cages.

[mr moose]

It's just a big company doing what big companies do, they sell whatever they have, even if it doesn't suit any one particular use.

 

If they have a bucket ton of left over silicon with only two working cores but each core is good, then why not call it an i3 and offload it to the poor suckers who can't afford an i7.

 

 

[Inkz]

An Intel X series Core i3, are you kidding me?

[Steven H]

Intel now is at a complete different level of ret@rd

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Steven H said:

Intel now is at a complete different level of ret@rd

 

Spoiler

 

[DoctorWho1975]

5 minutes ago, Steven H said:

Intel now is at a complete different level of ret@rd

 

Hey hey hey... don't lump retards in with Intel, the retards deserve better.

[Steven H]

3 minutes ago, DoctorWho1975 said:

 

Hey hey hey... don't lump retards in with Intel, the retards deserve better.

It's an offense to retards by comparing intel to them LMAO

[scighera2]

8 hours ago, The Benjamins said:

https://videocardz.com/72775/intel-preps-dual-core-i3-7360x-for-x299-but-why

 

 

I really hope this is fake, because I don't know why Intel would release a dual for for X299. PLEASE MAKE IT STOP.

That's so dumb, why not just get an i3 with a normal MB lmao?

[Armakar]

Jokes aside, does anyone know if there's actually any reason at all for intel to do this? It seems so unbelievably stupid, and for a large, successful company who has dominated the market for 10 years to do something so stupid, surely they know something we don't?

[Shreyas1]

does it have a soldered die?

[vanished]

23 minutes ago, Armakar said:

Jokes aside, does anyone know if there's actually any reason at all for intel to do this? It seems so unbelievably stupid, and for a large, successful company who has dominated the market for 10 years to do something so stupid, surely they know something we don't?

The only possible reason I can think of is if you wanted to go enthusiast, but didn't quite have the whole budget and needed a PC asap, you could get this then swap it out for an 8+ core later, but that seems foolish to me.

[Tieox]

Next step Intel will sell RGB lidded CPU's just because they can!

[MageTank]

8 minutes ago, Ryan_Vickers said:

The only possible reason I can think of is if you wanted to go enthusiast, but didn't quite have the whole budget and needed a PC asap, you could get this then swap it out for an 8+ core later, but that seems foolish to me.

Yeah... and at this point, I don't buy the diagnostic excuse anymore. Now, if you need to diagnose CPU failure, sure, it will do that, but these "consumer-grade" X299 CPU's will be unable to diagnose IMC related issues since half the channels and DIMM slots are outright disabled, and any PCIe related issues with the CPU or board are impossible to diagnose as well because half the PCIe-wired slots on the board are disabled with these CPU's. From a purely diagnostic standpoint, they were better off allowing Xeon's to work on the platform like they did on X99. You could get quad core Xeon's on X99 that were still quad channel and still had access to all of the PCIe wired components on the board, for under $100. Now, you get X299 CPU's that have none of the X299 features, for nothing more than a stop-gap.

 

As mean as it is to say this, X299 is not for the budget-oriented consumer. If you cannot afford to outright buy into X299 and get the CPU you want at the same time you buy the rest of the platform, it's probably not the platform for you. I understand some people are waiting on unreleased CPU's (like the 7980XE) but anyone that is willing to dump $2000 into a CPU, can probably afford the $400 to invest in a 6 core backup that can at least validate that all of his DIMM slots, channels, and PCIe components are working. To people with that kind of money, it would make no sense to cheap out and potentially deal with RMA'ing a board that you had for months, because you were unable to properly test it in advance. 

[vanished]

9 minutes ago, MageTank said:

Yeah... and at this point, I don't buy the diagnostic excuse anymore. Now, if you need to diagnose CPU failure, sure, it will do that, but these "consumer-grade" X299 CPU's will be unable to diagnose IMC related issues since half the channels and DIMM slots are outright disabled, and any PCIe related issues with the CPU or board are impossible to diagnose as well because half the PCIe-wired slots on the board are disabled with these CPU's. From a purely diagnostic standpoint, they were better off allowing Xeon's to work on the platform like they did on X99. You could get quad core Xeon's on X99 that were still quad channel and still had access to all of the PCIe wired components on the board, for under $100. Now, you get X299 CPU's that have none of the X299 features, for nothing more than a stop-gap.

I wasn't even thinking about it as a tester, but you're right, it makes no sense for that.

9 minutes ago, MageTank said:

As mean as it is to say this, X299 is not for the budget-oriented consumer. If you cannot afford to outright buy into X299 and get the CPU you want at the same time you buy the rest of the platform, it's probably not the platform for you. I understand some people are waiting on unreleased CPU's (like the 7980XE) but anyone that is willing to dump $2000 into a CPU, can probably afford the $400 to invest in a 6 core backup that can at least validate that all of his DIMM slots, channels, and PCIe components are working. To people with that kind of money, it would make no sense to cheap out and potentially deal with RMA'ing a board that you had for months, because you were unable to properly test it in advance. 

Exactly, this is the only possible use I can conceive of for it, and it's not even a good one.  

[Zodiark1593]

9 hours ago, goodtofufriday said:

Thatd honestly be dope imo

Intel should just integrate an Atom core into the chipset for this purpose (of testing the board).

[Princess Luna]

Do you remember when the X meant Intel's most badass/awesome CPU for the entire line up? now even locked mainstream processors outperforms these x's... Way to go with Intel's marketing scheme making their x mean shit just like AMD's x is often something to avoid lol

[Okjoek]

To be fair I don't get why AMD made those Athlon and Bristol Ridge chips compatible for Ryzen, but atleast AM4 is still a consumer platform.

[Me1z]

If Intel really wants to bleed money and produce ridiculous products, who are we to stop them? It's not my problem if they squander their profits and waste perfectly good silicon...

[GDRRiley]

30 minutes ago, Okjoek said:

To be fair I don't get why AMD made those Athlon and Bristol Ridge chips compatible for Ryzen, but atleast AM4 is still a consumer platform.

they made the for low end chips to get you onto ryzen, ryzen should use the same mobos for 2 more generations so its a good idea, also for the APU fast ram is important and DDR4 is much faster than DDR3

[Okjoek]

Just now, GDRRiley said:

they made the for low end chips to get you onto ryzen, ryzen should use the same mobos for 2 more generations so its a good idea, also for the APU fast ram is important and DDR4 is much faster than DDR3

I guess, but is anyone actually buying them when Raven Ridge/Ryzen Mobile is probably almost here.

[GDRRiley]

Just now, Okjoek said:

I guess, but is anyone actually buying them when Raven Ridge/Ryzen Mobile is probably almost here.

not really

[SteveGrabowski0]

Can we get an X299 Atom processor?

[pas008]

Don't know why people think this it's such terrible idea still 

 

If true this could be great stepping stone for their line up after next Couple gens like testing waters on 1 socket system before They go completely mesh and emib dies

 

Talk about close minded people