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MageTank

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  1. So all those hackers in the movies mashing random keys weren't faking it after all... The more you know.
  2. I mean, depending on how much effort OP wants to invest, it can be done, but it's no easy task, lol. https://community.hwbot.org/topic/175489-asrock-z170-mocf-lives-on-coffee-lake-mods/ You'll need a silver pen (or a decent pencil with a graphite core if you are cheap and lazy like I am), some solder & wire if your board requires the post-bypass shenanigans, and a custom BIOS for the board you are trying to use. The last one might be the hardest to procure, so be very mindful of that. I'd say that the chipsets themselves were not a limiting factor in CFL
  3. Finally starting to understand memory overclocking on Ryzen:

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    Might even have my incomplete memory OCing guide finished one of these days, lol. I can't remember the name of whomever recommended the B550 Unify series from MSI, but you do still have my thanks. I can't wait for the Unify X to launch here in the states as I can feel this board starting to hold me back a little, and I imagine that boards trace topology will better suite my dual rank DIMM's than what this quad-DIMM board currently can.

     

    Now that we've proven sub-50ns is possible on Ryzen platforms, we just need to baby it until we find stability. Right now, training is still very broken on this latest MSI BIOS and I have to manually train this to get it to boot, but I imagine this will get better as they improve the AGESA firmware.

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    2. MageTank

      MageTank

      I'll try to get to it. I don't feel comfortable teaching others when I myself am still learning something. The Intel guide was easy for me because I've been OCing ram on Intel since Haswell. I had memory overclocking experience on AMD in the past with Phenom II but I wasn't entirely sure if it translated all that well. Surprisingly, some of the older strategies still work and is what allowed me to break sub-50ns while others are still struggling, so I imagine most people will laugh when they see some of the tricks behind getting the above latency results to work. 

       

      I also plan on doing a CPU overclocking guide for Ryzen, as this generation of CPU's is very interesting. The new PBO2 curve optimizer is allowing for some very interesting results. I've been able to hold a 5.1ghz overclock across multiple cores while gaming on a 5950X with a negative core offset and it managed to beat my 5.2ghz 8700k, which still shocks me. All while consuming less power in the process.

    3. HairlessMonkeyBoy

      HairlessMonkeyBoy

      Even if not an "official" guide, I'd be interested in reading about your trials and errors with Ryzen. Adding some unofficial posts about it to your OC guide might even help you organize some of your thoughts, and I would love to read them.

    4. MageTank

      MageTank

      That might be a good idea. I can always just reply to the thread with me beating my head against the wall until I figure it out, then update the first page with the actual information that worked. It really is a lot of that at the moment though, mostly me winging it because most people kinda relied heavily on the Ryzen DRAM calculator and that kinda stifled people from experimenting with more in-depth overclocking, so no real information is readily available.

       

      Still, I've learned a ton over the last 2 weeks, enough to make me dangerous on benchmarks. Now if I can figure out the IMC's voltage tolerances and find that perfect groove for stability, I'll be good to go.

  4. Had my hands on half a dozen board partner cards before the launch, ranging from the MLCC designs (both full and hybrid) to the "cheaper" SP-cap (originally incorrectly labeled as "POS caps") configurations. I can confirm that both designs had their fair share of crashing, however I originally attributed this to the fact that I couldn't get my hands on a signed driver to save my life despite our contacts swearing they were signed and ready for WHQL (plot twist, far from it, lol) Even now, I have an early revision MSI 3080 Gaming X Trio and current revision model with different cap
  5. So this is where all of my reference PCB 3080's went, lol. Had to buy a reference water block for my 2080 Ti and settle without HDMI 2.1 support to finish a build. Hopefully used 3080's will start popping up for a reasonable price when these people decide to upgrade.
  6. Very interesting, I did not know this. This means Rocket Lake is this generation's Broadwell, where we have two microarchitectures on a single socket/chipset. Someone can correct me if I am wrong, but if that Wikipedia article is true, these would be the first consumer-grade, non-extreme edition CPU's with AVX-512 support, right? If it is based on Sunny Cove which is derived from Ice Lake, does this mean we get the more feature rich, full-er flavored AVX 512 that Ice Lake promised? Depending on how the AVX support shakes out, I may have picked a weird time to buy a 5950X,
  7. Had a good time tinkering with my personal 5950X over the weekend:

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    Now I just need to get my hands on the elusive 1.1.9.0 AGESA firmware for this board that only appears to be available in China. Apparently it helps stabilize FCLK beyond 1900mhz and should allow me to push a little harder with less voltage. Should also fix the latency desync issue at this clock speed too. That, and it allows access to the curve optimizer, which should be extra fun.

  8. Curious, are these two results produced by the same person? If so, it really begs the question why they would stick with the same GPU but not the same memory, unless they were using memory that simply wouldn't post on Ryzen. Still, using different memory speeds would also screw with an even comparison and would be a pretty weak testing methodology. If these are two different results from two different testers, I would say its impossible to compare the two. The fact that we only have a single score of the 5950X submitted on the Crazy_1080p preset for AotS using a 2080 Ti means we have extremely
  9. Alright, once again I have another weird request. Anyone know where to find these radiators for sale? 

     

    Coolgate HD Copper Plated 360 Radiator | martinsliquidlab.wordpress.com |  Page 2

     

    The official website brings me here: http://www.coolgate.net/radiators_360HD.htm with "copper plating optional", but no means of ordering it. No local sellers have it and I can't find any store online with this finish. This radiator fits the design aesthetic of an upcoming build I have planned, so I'd like to source it if at all possible.

     

    More of my component selection below.

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    With some copper tubing and nickel/silver fittings, I am likely going to be satisfied with the end result. Any assistance I can get with locating these rads would be appreciated.

    1. MageTank

      MageTank

      I forgot to mention... I'll need two 360mm radiators and two 240mm radiators, so it requires multiple flavors to finish this build. I know using the word "need" is inappropriate here, but I have a goal in mind and it requires some real cooling this time.

    2. Lurick
    3. MageTank

      MageTank

      @LurickThanks for the information. That first copper rad looks great, however it definitely needs cleaned up from where they did some soldering. I've been checking into local places here in Ohio that offers copper plating, so hopefully that will open up my options quite a bit. I've also stumbled across a few of these radiators that I don't think looks all that bad with the aesthetic of my blocks: 2020-12-23.png

       

      The sand blasted surface looks a little weird, but I could always sand and polish that myself. It also wouldn't be difficult to disassemble these pieces and have them painted/plated. My only concern is the tubing inside the rads. I've been watercooling for quite some time, and ancient watercooling wisdom dictated that flat tubes were better than round tubes in terms of flow impedance. Anyone know if that still holds true these days? I won't be using a traditional D5 pump, it will be slightly weaker (1100 liters per hour) with slightly higher head pressure. Considering I'll be using 4 of these rads, I don't want to run into an issue where I run out of pressure.

  10. No worries, I'll take part of that blame as I've been guilty of erecting these walls of text in this thread. Could be worse, we could send each other a scathing email and threaten to revoke each others posting privileges over our perceived disagreements, lol.
  11. You need not define the word, I am well aware of what the word means. Further defining it won't make your reasoning any less of a leap in this context. Also, you are wrong by implying that empathy requires agreeing with whomever you are empathetic towards. I can understand someone on a psychological/emotional level whilst still disagreeing with them. @Nex6's use of the word empathy was not wrong by any means nor was it inaccurate in the context of which he spoke. Your interpretation of it was a reach given the narrative you were trying to spin it towards, which is where I take issue.
  12. I am not certain how you made the jump that empathy leads to suppression of speech, I personally don't see that happening. The notion that a company needs to be empathetic towards a reviewer (or vice versa) is silly (I've mentioned this in my post) but I would not consider that concept harmful to freedom of speech. There is a difference between understanding and communicating ones feelings, and forcing one to act upon that understanding to your benefit. I don't disagree with the core of what you are trying to convey, but the manner in which you arrived here is problematic in the se
  13. Thank you for taking the time to respond. I want to clarify the point of empathy, as I believe there may be some miscommunication here. I do not believe Nvidia should be empathetic towards reviewers or vice versa. My point on empathy was that companies typically lack the level of empathy required to understand the needs of individual consumers, which is why it's up to reviewers to shoulder that burden and help put themselves in the shoes of Joe Everyman. Nvidia does not need the empathy of reviewers or customers because as a business, Nvidia should put the needs of their company above all else
  14. I think the biggest shock for me on this forum is that I've been here for several years now and have not received a single warning point, in spite of my extremely aggressive early trolling and borderline harassment of a certain individual. If anything, the relaxed attitude of the mods is what kept me on this forum for so long and inspired me to clean up my act. I also prefer that you people get involved with these discussions and get as riled up as we do without the conflict of interest that comes with having to moderate, as it makes you people more approachable in the long run. The majority o
  15. I don't know about the first part, as I've received several AIB cards that coincided with the launch date for this series. That being said, you are absolutely spot on about the drivers. I didn't get a signed driver for the RTX 3080 or 3070 until after they went live on Nvidia's website. This doesn't sound like that big of a deal to most people as you can simply use unsigned drivers for testing, but good luck trying to pass HLK testing with an unsigned driver, lol.
  16. I wanted to, but I dislike the notion of tag-teaming someone. I myself enjoy it, but others might not enjoy responding to several people at once. Since you've extended the invitation however, I'll take you up on the offer. As echoed by others in the thread (myself included), marketing does not dictate how a product is used by a consumer. The notion that because the R in RTX stands for Raytracing means that the card is designed for Raytracing and must be used for said purpose is silly. If this logic were applied universally, developers would not be allowed to use "gaming" hardware f
  17. Well, I caved in and bought a board I didn't want as a temporary means to learn MSI's AMD BIOS while waiting for the Unify X. 

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    Hopefully they get the Unify X in soon and I can use this 4-dimm version as a Christmas gift for someone else afterwards. Now to secure a reference PCB RTX 3080 so I can finish this custom build of mine.

  18. This is a flimsy argument my friend. Marketing doesn't dictate how products are used, nor does marketing dictate how products are reviewed. Chevy advertises off-road performance and a high towing capacity for my truck. If I am looking up a review on highway fuel economy, is the review invalid because they failed to review the product's other marketed features as dictated by Chevy? No, because I as the consumer knew what I was looking for, and chose a source that conveyed the information I deemed relevant to me. Your problem with Hardware Unboxed's limited test suite doesn't automat
  19. Now this is the beauty of reviews. If reviewers do not cover the subjects you are interested in, you as the consumer can avoid their reviews. I personally don't watch HWUB because they don't scratch that itch for me. Their methodology is weak compared to others and I prefer results over personality or entertainment quality. I can also say that depending on how they (HWUB) wanted their review to be framed, they could have completely ignored RT and DLSS if they wanted to review pure rasterization. It's entirely their choice to do so. The focus of the review isn't dictated by the manufacturer of
  20. To get an objective opinion on where you need improvement, from someone that isn't directly under your employ and would lie to your face to keep their jobs or earn promotions. The concept of product reviews are not new my friend, I should not need to explain them to you in this great of a detail. That said, I am me, so I'll do it anyways. At their core, product reviews exist to give consumers an objective understanding of the product they are intending to purchase. These reviews can be quite favorable or negative, or even both if they are truly objective and unbiased, taking both t
  21. EVGA can say whatever they want to say, what they want has no relevance on what will actually be published. You cannot tell someone to "focus" on one of the stronger features. That implies that you want it to be more prominent, potentially taking time away from less favorable aspects of your product. Like I mentioned earlier, they already provide this in reviewers guides, but in those very guides they do not consider their testing mandatory nor do they list requirements for what must be tested. That's simply not how a review works. You cannot tell someone that they can only have an opinion as
  22. This wouldn't be a review, this would be buying a narrative in return for a free product. Anyone that willingly accepts money or a product and agrees to change their opinion of it as a result of that transaction should be scrutinized and be considered unworthy of trust. This is not the case for HWUB, it was the opposite. They were provided hardware and a reviewers guide (standard for all reviewers, tech outlets and even retailers that advertise product pages) and decided to review the cards using their own methodology. Nothing in those reviewers guides states you cannot deviate from them in yo
  23. This is going to be a longshot, but if anyone could find these chrome side plates in-stock anywhere (even internationally, I am fine to pay shipping to the US), I'd appreciate it. They fit the aesthetic for my upcoming build perfectly and I want to use them with their water block.

     

    https://www.xs-pc.com/discontinued-2/neo-memory-waterblock-side-plate-set-chrome

     

    I can find the black chrome, but I need the normal chrome.

    1. Letgomyleghoe.
    2. MageTank

      MageTank

      That is indeed the block I want, however it doesn't include the side plates, which is primarily what I am after. The block itself I was able to find on Performance PCS as well as Titan Rig's Newegg storefront, but those chrome side plates seem to be completely discontinued. I have not checked to see if other side plates from different manufacturers are compatible, but I am pretty set on this aesthetic and I would like to source these plates if at all possible.

       

      I am trying to contact the manufacturer too just to see if they have any they are willing to sell, but so far it's been looking grim.

  24. Compared to the 3090 it isn't really an "oof". Compared to AMD's own 6800 XT and RTX 3080, it kinda is. Until AMD releases their answer to DLSS, they are losing this raytracing war pretty early on, and the performance of their 6800XT is already encroaching on the 6900 XT for a fraction of the price. People that don't care about raytracing are better off buying a 6800 XT over a 3080, and people that care about raytracing are better off buying a 3080 over both the 6800 XT and 6900 XT (at least at the moment). In my eyes, the 6900 XT's price makes it pretty much dead on arrival. Eithe
  25. I imagine it's no different than child actors. He is essentially a performer after all. Play time might be extremely limited and I would have to imagine a parent is on-site at all times, or someone they've designated as a legal guardian. As for not being old enough to earn a "proper wage", I am not entirely certain what this means. I've been working since the age of 12 myself and if given the opportunity to earn more, I would have jumped at the chance. Age should not be a restriction on what one should be capable of earning. That being said, there is absolutely a responsibility on
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