AMD RX Vega Fire Strike scores appear, FE scores about GTX 1080 performance

[ltguy]

With the cost of HBM2 i dont see how this card is going work out. It can't beat RX 580 crossfire which can be had for about $460 at MSRP. So unless this card comes in at $400 it cant compete with their already existing products. So if its $500-600 bucks and draws 300+ watts... just not sure where its going to compete. 

 

PS: They really should have saved their efforts and released a RX 490/590 dual card until they had something that could beat a 1080ti.

[Hunter259]

5 minutes ago, goodtofufriday said:

So? It still shows the expectation to market for upcoming products. It also has the dark red labled at premium and professional. And the dark red is completely encapsulated only in the 2018 bar. 

That shows how much they think they will eat into that market not a damn product outlook....

[goodtofufriday]

15 minutes ago, Hunter259 said:

That shows how much they think they will eat into that market not a damn product outlook....

If not vega then Navi. Either way their top tier isn't expected unitl 2018

[VagabondWraith]

Looks like somebody was right all along.  

 

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...And then looking forward into the back half of this year, I think your competitors have a new platform. I’m just curious as to your thoughts as to how the share worked out on the previous refresh and then the competitiveness into the second half of this year.

 

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Jen-Hsun Huang – NVIDIA Corp.
My assessment is that the competitive position is not going to change.

 

[Valentyn]

9 minutes ago, VagabondWraith said:

Looks like somebody was right all along.  

 

Would you expect him to state anything else during his Investor call though?

[VagabondWraith]

2 minutes ago, Valentyn said:

Would you expect him to state anything else during his Investor call though?

Well, he coulda said, Wait for Volta.  

[Valentyn]

Just now, VagabondWraith said:

Well, he coulda said, Wait for Volta.  

That would be a sign of weakness to his investors.

Just like Intel stated that they also see no foreseeable change in the marketplace despite Zen being launched.

 

As for Volta, I wonder how much smaller V102 will be with Tensor cores all sliced out, FP64 cut, and double rate FP16 disabled.

[Jito463]

My questions is, who has managed to get ahold of an RX Vega to post these scores (and how did they get them), and what drivers are they using?  This feels like more of the Vega FE leaks.  Too much unsubstantiated information.  I'll continue waiting until they're out and official.

[ravenshrike]

So here's something fun to think about. What if the sandbagging mentioned by Bits and Chips is IF based Crossfire that games automatically treat as a single card and scaling's at 90+%

[VagabondWraith]

36 minutes ago, Valentyn said:

That would be a sign of weakness to his investors.

Just like Intel stated that they also see no foreseeable change in the marketplace despite Zen being launched.

 

As for Volta, I wonder how much smaller V102 will be with Tensor cores all sliced out, FP64 cut, and double rate FP16 disabled.

My comment was tongue-in-cheek.  

 

As for Volta, I'm interested to see what performance is going to be like. It's on 12nm which isn't much of a jump like 28>16/14nm was. It's supposedly a brand new architecture from the ground up. Will be interesting to see what they have in store to tackle DX12 optimizations whilst maintaining their DX11 footprint. I wonder if they'll incorporate a hardware scheduler/ACEs type stuff or if they'll continue with software based DX12. Volta is supposed to be even more efficient than Pascal so I wonder if including a HW scheduler is even possible with a lower TDP.

[Valentyn]

18 minutes ago, VagabondWraith said:

My comment was tongue-in-cheek.  

 

As for Volta, I'm interested to see what performance is going to be like. It's on 12nm which isn't much of a jump like 28>16/14nm was. It's supposedly a brand new architecture from the ground up. Will be interesting to see what they have in store to tackle DX12 optimizations whilst maintaining their DX11 footprint. I wonder if they'll incorporate a hardware scheduler/ACEs type stuff or if they'll continue with software based DX12. Volta is supposed to be even more efficient than Pascal so I wonder if including a HW scheduler is even possible with a lower TDP.

Well looking at the TDP on the V100 Tesla, it's looking very promising. 300W for the Mezzanine card while being 815nm is extremely good.

Cut out all the tensor cores, compute, and slap on GDDR5X and it should be around ~600nm for top consumer possibly. Even if it's still 300W it should have the performance to back it up.

It's actually one of the few times I might buy a Titan class card; since it's such a big step up from the looks of it.

[MoonlightSylv]

Guess I didn't fuck up too much buying a 1080 a couple days ago then.

[AnonymousGuy]

I only want Vega to do well so NV will push out Volta the following week...

[zMeul]

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Just a little tease here as to what is coming this week. RX Vega FreeSync vs. GTX 1080 Ti G-Sync Blind Gaming test video being edited now. All done at my house, with gamers with a couple hundred years of twitch gaming experience. All system UEFI and OS set up by me personally. […] AMD wanted me to use a 1080. […]

ASUS hand delivered this card to my house on Saturday morning, and took it with them Saturday evening. That all said, this card was an engineering sample but I was specifically told that it was representative of retail product. So basically a “reference” card built outside of mass production.

 

it uses the same PCB as Vega FE!

[MoonlightSylv]

Just now, zMeul said:

 

What?

[MageTank]

I hope these cards are not running at their max clock speed, or else they are in trouble. The Vega pro card was only able to hit 1700mhz on water according to GN after an undervolt, and these appear to be hitting 1630 in 3dmark. If they are running at their overclocked speeds, it's certainly not that impressive, given my 1070 at it's normal overclock hits 20.6k in Firestrike: http://www.3dmark.com/fs/12940802

 

We also have 1080's that hit 25k in Firestrike when overclocked: http://www.3dmark.com/fs/11977531 , http://www.3dmark.com/fs/9845353 , http://www.3dmark.com/fs/8942303

 

As for 1080 Ti's, hitting 31k+ is relatively easy : http://www.3dmark.com/fs/12205826, http://www.3dmark.com/fs/12831070

 

Once you put the 1080 Ti's on water though, you start to get results like this: http://www.3dmark.com/fs/12685580, http://www.3dmark.com/fs/12969308, http://www.3dmark.com/fs/12268987 That's 32k-33k on water. Basically, when overclocked, Pascal is able to pull 10-15% higher scores than their stock boost clocks. If this is Vega at it's stock clocks, then color me impressed, but if this is overclocked, we may have a problem depending on it's price. 

[Phate.exe]

1 hour ago, ShadowTechXTS said:

Guess I didn't fuck up too much buying a 1080 a couple days ago then.

I mean worst case you own a 1080.  Vega, Volta, or the 1080ti don't magically make your 1080 perform any differently.

 

Honestly aside from some case airflow-related noise issues, I'm more than happy with my Fury, and I'm running 4K.

[Maxxtraxx]

"Vega Frontier Edition performs between a 1070 and 1080"

 

Wait for RX Vega they said

 

Wait for Drivers they'll say

 

Give the Drivers 6 months to improve/mature they'll say

 

But HBM2 is better they'll say

 

But the Compute is better! they'll say

 

But if you undervolt it!... they'll say

[JediFragger]

'Poor Volta' is this years 'Overclocker's Dream' it seems!!!

 

[VagabondWraith]

1 hour ago, Maxxtraxx said:

"Vega Frontier Edition performs between a 1070 and 1080"

 

Wait for RX Vega they said

 

Wait for Drivers they'll say

 

Give the Drivers 6 months to improve/mature they'll say

 

But HBM2 is better they'll say

 

But the Compute is better! they'll say

 

But if you undervolt it!... they'll say

Vega FineWine -- coming to you, October 2020.

[Not_Sean]

2 hours ago, Phate.exe said:

I mean worst case you own a 1080.  Vega, Volta, or the 1080ti don't magically make your 1080 perform any differently.

 

Honestly aside from some case airflow-related noise issues, I'm more than happy with my Fury, and I'm running 4K.

Yeah its the same as me with a 980, Yeah it only just beats a now 1060, but its still a 980 and I'm gaming very happily with it. Some people just focus was to much on having the best bragging rights and highest benchmarks when in all honestly older tech is still doing great. 

 

For me I'm look at this in the same light as Ryzen, Yeah it doesn't beat the 7700K but its half the price and its not like it's a bad performer, Same way I'm looking at these, if it looses to the 1080 big deal, if its even a 1070 at 3/4 the price thats a winner in my books as my Credit card does have a limit and i'd rather go for best Value over highest Benchmarks any day. 

[Belgarathian]

I'd have been happy with a big 250-300W Polaris using 8GB GDDR5X 

[Princess Luna]

3 hours ago, AnonymousGuy said:

I only want Vega to do well so NV will push out Volta the following week...

Yup, I will buy the nVidia TITAN X (Volta) the week it releases, can't wait... finally a single card truly capable of 3440x1440p so I can upgrade my monitor.

[leadeater]

4 hours ago, zMeul said:

it uses the same PCB as Vega FE!

Why would it be different? It is reference design after all and it uses HBM, what is there to change?

[Bleedingyamato]

2 hours ago, Princess Cadence said:

Yup, I will buy the nVidia TITAN X (Volta) the week it releases, can't wait... finally a single card truly capable of 3440x1440p so I can upgrade my monitor.

Couldn't a 1080 ti do 1440p well enough?