AMD Confirms Key "Summit Ridge" Specs

[ozziestig]

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AMD CEO Lisa Su, speaking at the company's Computex reveal held up the most important CPU product for the company, the new eight-core "Summit Ridge" processor. A posterboy of the company's new "Zen" micro-architecture, "Summit Ridge" is an eight-core processor with SMT enabling 16 threads for the OS to deal with, a massive 40% IPC increase over the current "Excavator" architecture, and a new platform based around the AM4 socket.

 

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The AM4 socket sees AMD completely relocate the core-logic (chipset) to the processor's die. Socket AM4 motherboards won't have any chipset on them. This also means that the processor has an integrated PCI-Express gen 3.0 root complex, besides the DDR4 integrated memory controller. With the chipset being completely integrated, connectivity such as USB and SATA will be routed out of the processor.

If I read this correctly the chipset has been moved to the CPU die. So this could mean that each SKU of "Summit Ridge" and "Bristol Ridge" could have different types and amounts of connectivity.

I don't know if this is a good choice or a poor choice, but we will have to wait.

 

Source: https://www.techpowerup.com/223086/amd-confirms-key-summit-ridge-specs

[Windows7ge]

If this means what I think it does, there'll be no more decorative motherboard heatsinks except CPU power delivery. South Bridge, North Bridge, GONE. 

[AHaskin14]

5 minutes ago, Windows7ge said:

If this means what I think it does, there'll be no more decorative motherboard heatsinks except CPU power delivery. South Bridge, North Bridge, GONE. 

But a positive for mini itx boards that now have free space

[zMeul]

that's the dumbest shit I ever heard

it basically locks down the user's choice and gets obliged to "chose" only what AMD allows

 

you thought Intel has expensive CPUs, you just wait

[ozziestig]

1 minute ago, zMeul said:

that's the dumbest shit I ever heard

it basically locks down the user's choice and gets obliged to "chose" only what AMD allows

That's the downside I see with this.

[zMeul]

2 minutes ago, ozziestig said:

That's the downside I see with this.

plus, it adds multiple failure points in the CPU - un fucking believable 

[LeStringMan]

1 minute ago, zMeul said:

that's the dumbest shit I ever heard

it basically locks down the user's choice and gets obliged to "chose" only what AMD allows

 

you thought Intel has expensive CPUs, you just wait

could they not just put separate controllers on the board? i mean im using a 970 board right now that has m.2 and usb 3.1, not to mention the slew of 760g/780g boards that have usb 3.0, despite the fact that the 700 series AMD boards debuted in 2006/07.

[Windows7ge]

4 minutes ago, zMeul said:

that's the dumbest shit I ever heard

it basically locks down the user's choice and gets obliged to "chose" only what AMD allows

 

you thought Intel has expensive CPUs, you just wait

Yeah this Zen series I've been hearing about. I forget the number but they're suppose to release a 8 core 16 thread CPU...I REALLY wonder how it'll stack up to a 5960X.

[zMeul]

3 minutes ago, LeStringMan said:

could they not just put separate controllers on the board?

if the PCIe lanes are limited how would they do that?

at least Intel has the DMI interconnect on top of the PCIe lanes from the CPU

[Eroda]

so its  SOC without the GPU portion basically? if it works i dont really care ( but its not like i didnt realize this from when they first had those zen roadmaps) i remember the same complains when AMD integrated functionality with the A64 and now they are wanting to do it again?  good on them it will either be a master stroke or a complete flop either way the industry will be changed forever

[Notional]

That's really cool. Their new APU's/laptop processors has this too:

 

 

I think this is a huge upside for consumers, as you might be able to reuse motherboards more often, unlike Intel, where you almost have to replace your motherboard with each new CPU.

 

But even more interesting (for me), is that we can get much better ITX boards, with much more stuff on it, as you no longer need to waste space on a chipset. Death to ATX, long live mATX and ITX!

 

The downside of course could be less overclocking and more expensive CPU's (which should be negated by cheaper motherboards).

 

Intel already has the northbridge integrated, so why should the even simpler southbridge (chipset) all of the sudden be a problem?

[LeStringMan]

2 minutes ago, zMeul said:

if the PCIe lanes are limited how would they do that?

at least Intel has the DMI interconnect

well that's true, i don't think AMD has anything official on pcie lanes yet.

[zMeul]

4 minutes ago, LeStringMan said:

well that's true, i don't think AMD has anything official on pcie lanes yet.

plus, all the boards would need to be all the same since the manufacturer won't know what CPU you'll chose and in what configuration

or those will be tiered too, meaning the mobos could be locked to a specific CPU range

[AlexGoesHigh]

One pro that hasn't been said in here is that the chipset space can now be used for more M.2 slots without taking space around the PCIe ports.

[zMeul]

basically all boards could look like this:

becasue fuck logic

[marldorthegreat]

Cheaper motherboards can only be a good thing. 

[zMeul]

2 minutes ago, huilun02 said:

AMD adding functionality to its product 

you forget to mention what is that functionality that would be added

 

do you recall the Intel X58 recall? what would happen if AMD discovered a fault in one of the controllers that will now be integrated into the CPU ...

riiight .. functionality 

[marldorthegreat]

2 minutes ago, zMeul said:

you forget to mention what is that functionality that would be added

 

do you recall the Intel X58 recall? what would happen if AMD discovered a fault in one of the controllers that will now be integrated into the CPU ...

riiight .. functionality 

AMD has never stopped motherboard manufacturers from adding 3rd party features. 

the 990fx did not have support for pcie express 3.0 , or usb 3.0.

[zMeul]

5 minutes ago, marldorthegreat said:

AMD has never stopped motherboard manufacturers from adding 3rd party features. 

the 990fx did not have support for pcie express 3.0 , or usb 3.0.

how would they add additional features if there is no direct interconnect?

good, you connect them to the PCIe lanes, but then you starve the existing connections

 

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the PCie gen3 was added via select APUs, not from the chipset - if memory serves

as it stands now, it looks like AMD will not be providing a chipset since .. well .. it's in the bloody CPU

 

want to add a ThunderBolt card? you'd better know how many PCie lanes you have to spare cuz' otherwise you'd need  a new CPU

[multifrag]

33 minutes ago, zMeul said:

plus, it adds multiple failure points in the CPU - un fucking believable 

I would understand the decision to be made on laptops as that's the way they're going right now to save space, but doing this for desktop just seems like a expensive idea if something goes wrong. I'm afraid that cpus will cost more than intel counterpart, which is not what amd wants if they are talking about equal performance

[zMeul]

7 minutes ago, huilun02 said:

The processor becoming a SOC?

Extrapolate AMD's direction and we'll be getting smaller computing devices with full fledged desktop capability.

It would lower total cost, allowing AMD based systems to gain dominance in the laptop/console market.

 

You know AMD wasn't on crack when it decided to do this, because otherwise it would have been an APU as well.

I'd like you to explain to me how making a SoC for desktop is a good idea in the 1st place

it's a good idea for mobile and specific applications since in those cases it's a single use implementation that will die exactly as it was sold

 

this is completely contrary to the PC desktop philosophy that exists today where the user has the choice to customize his build

 

AMD wants to build consoles? nop .. go right ahead - let's see how many fall for it

I bet Intel is laughing their asses off right now - and you know what's sad .. Intel will most likely slowly retreat from the consumer market because AMD isn't even trying to compete

that's why we see ~2k$ CPUs - and things will get worse

[Bouzoo]

21 minutes ago, zMeul said:

do you recall the Intel X58 recall? what would happen if AMD discovered a fault in one of the controllers that will now be integrated into the CPU ...

riiight .. functionality 

Exactly, INTEL RECALL. Tell me, when was the last AMD recall that you can remember? I can't remember if they had any, so statistically Intel had more. What would happen if it would happen. What would happen if AMD has no faults on their upcoming CPUs? Now look at this, nothing. Jesus Christ, you're just fantasising about things against AMD for the sole reason of doing it. 

[WolfDeville]

I can't believe people are getting so pissy because their motherboards will be more compact and won't have fucking heatsinks. Functionality over aesthetics. If you don't like it choose something else.

[zMeul]

2 minutes ago, Bouzoo said:

 

you missed the point by a solar system and then some

 

my point was adding multiple points of failure in the CPU - I already have a problem with Intel adding iGPs in the CPUs because of that

 

USB controllers broken because of faulty peripherals, and other shit like that - do you understand that AMD will plant these inside the CPU

it's insanity

[byalexandr]

53 minutes ago, Windows7ge said:

If this means what I think it does, there'll be no more decorative motherboard heatsinks except CPU power delivery. South Bridge, North Bridge, GONE. 

But that means I can have my mITX platform