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“There is no one that is using SSDs for storage,” said Steve Luczo, chief executive officer of Seagate, during the earnings conference call with investors and financial analysts. “I mean, maybe at the margin for replacing boot drives… I mean, maybe one or three per cent of the hierarchy is SSDs for storage. Most of your flash product is actually not hanging off the storage bus, it is fast memory.”


This might be true for now but I think this percentage will change dramatically in the next 5 years. Especially with PCI-E and m.2 

 

 

total available market of hard disk drives shrunk from 160 – 170 million units per quarter in 2010 – 2011 to around 110 – 111 million units in Q2 2015, based on estimates by Seagate and Western Digital. SSDs were of the key reasons why the number of hard drives sold per quarter decreased.

 

 

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I think this statement is a little bit true with the dropping prices of SSD's of all sizes and many more companies entering the space at all ends, it won't be soon because hard drives sales start dropping even more. SSD's in the business space offer a lot more usability in Data servers and the server space as data is often moved around, accessed and everything which is where I don't think HDD's can keep up.

 

Source: http://www.kitguru.net/components/hard-drives/anton-shilov/ceo-of-seagate-nobody-uses-ssds-for-storage/

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idk. kinda true for me. i don't see myself owning an ssd anytime soon. i'll stick to trusty old hdds.

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It's kinda true now. Almost nobody used SSDs to store media...

But it's a matter of time.. The performance benefits are just too great. Even in the server world SSDs allow you to lookup and filter through large amounts of data so much quicker.

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Maybe it has something to do with #BackBlaze! WOOOOOOOO REKT

 

Kidding, btw... Worst case scenarios are worst case, and shouldn't be taken to heart.

 

 

And yea, seagate still has higher prices on their disks than pretty much everyone else, meaning that most likely people who are savy are going to get a cheaper disk that performs just as well.

Oh well, it'll be a shame if seagate gets dropped from the market, WD would almost certainly start a monopoly :(

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idk. kinda true for me. i don't see myself owning an ssd anytime soon. i'll stick to trusty old hdds.

Oh you mean you'll use that trusty delicate platter spinning at 7200 rpm with a needle nanometers above it when SSDs become cheaper?

 

 

I have a coaster set from failed HDD platters. 

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So you think people use the for what? Coasters? What a dumb statement.

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As soon as higher capacity SSDs are available at fairly reasonable prices I will be saying bye to HDDs for ever. 

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Oh you mean you'll use that trusty delicate platter spinning at 7200 rpm with a needle nanometers above it when SSDs become cheaper? 

Uh huh.

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idk. kinda true for me. i don't see myself owning an ssd anytime soon. i'll stick to trusty old hdds.

"Trusty" not a word I would use for HDDs but each to their own.

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Maybe when SSD's get cheaper and don't die out as easily. Maybe then I'll use them. Or I'll pick up  a cheap SSD and place my OS on it.

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If it was the same price as HDDs I'd switch to all SSD. I'm still waiting on WD to properly enter the SSD race. :(

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Uh huh.

As someone who's had to rescue data (or attempt) from many peoples failed drives, especially on laptops from drops, I sincerely hope your are being sarcastic. xD

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"Trusty" not a word I would use for HDDs but each to their own.

i've had 13 year old hard drives run to this day 24/7.

 

As someone who's had to rescue data (or attempt) from many peoples failed drives, especially on laptops from drops, I sincerely hope your are being sarcastic. xD

nope. speaking the whole truth.

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If it was the same price as HDDs I'd switch to all SSD. I'm still waiting on WD to properly enter the SSD race. :(

For me double the price is when Ii'll likely 100% make the switch. If one SSD is cheaper than 2 HDDs in raid 1, good enough for me. Not that SSDs don't fail, but that's my price line. 

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Gaming and HTPC (reparations)- ASUS 1080, MSI X99A SLI Plus, 5820k- 4.5GHz @ 1.25v, asetek based 360mm AIO, RM 1000x, 16GB memory, 750D with front USB 2.0 replaced with 3.0  ports, 2 250GB 850 EVOs in Raid 0 (why not, only has games on it), some hard drives

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Stuff- k70 with reds, steel series rival, g13, full desk covering mouse mat

All parts black

Workstation(desk)- 3770k, 970 reference, 16GB of some crucial memory, a motherboard of some kind I don't remember, Micomsoft SC-512N1-L/DVI, CM Storm Trooper (It's got a handle, can you handle that?), 240mm Asetek based AIO, Crucial M550 256GB (upgrade soon), some hard drives, disc drives, and hot swap bays

Screens- 3  ASUS VN248H-P IPS 1080p screens mounted on a stand, some old tv on the wall above it. 

Stuff- Epicgear defiant (solderless swappable switches), g600, moutned mic and other stuff. 

Laptop docking area- 2 1440p korean monitors mounted, one AHVA matte, one samsung PLS gloss (very annoying, yes). Trashy Razer blackwidow chroma...I mean like the J key doesn't click anymore. I got a model M i use on it to, but its time for a new keyboard. Some edgy Utechsmart mouse similar to g600. Hooked to laptop dock for both of my dell precision laptops. (not only docking area)

Shelf- i7-2600 non-k (has vt-d), 380t, some ASUS sandy itx board, intel quad nic. Currently hosts shared files, setting up as pfsense box in VM. Also acts as spare gaming PC with a 580 or whatever someone brings. Hooked into laptop dock area via usb switch

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I don't see SSDs becoming replacements for storage for a good while.

For the price you pay for an SSD you can get several times the storage in HDDs.

Also SSDs can fail with less warning and once they do getting data off them can be much more challenging.

Don't SSDs have much shorter storage life if they are shelved and not in use vs HDDs as well?

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I see the denial is strong with this one. According to Mr. CEO, I'm nobody. Perhaps that's why they don't get any business from me.

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I think it will take a long time for HHD to disappear completely, they're likely to cheaper per GB for some time yet. Personally I'm looking forward to having all my storage need being served by an M.2 drive or something similar, less cables to manage. 

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I don't see SSDs becoming replacements for storage for a good while.

For the price you pay for an SSD you can get several times the storage in HDDs.

Also SSDs can fail with less warning and once they do getting data off them can be much more challenging.

Don't SSDs have much shorter storage life if they are shelved and not in use vs HDDs as well?

That's mostly been debunked, though the failure signs are there with HDDs in some cases, and more importantly, it's much harder to recover data from a failed SSD. If you have money, you can send off your HDD and there's many things that can be tried there to get all or at least part of the data back. 

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Gaming and HTPC (reparations)- ASUS 1080, MSI X99A SLI Plus, 5820k- 4.5GHz @ 1.25v, asetek based 360mm AIO, RM 1000x, 16GB memory, 750D with front USB 2.0 replaced with 3.0  ports, 2 250GB 850 EVOs in Raid 0 (why not, only has games on it), some hard drives

Screens- Acer preditor XB241H (1080p, 144Hz Gsync), LG 1080p ultrawide, (all mounted) directly wired to TV in other room

Stuff- k70 with reds, steel series rival, g13, full desk covering mouse mat

All parts black

Workstation(desk)- 3770k, 970 reference, 16GB of some crucial memory, a motherboard of some kind I don't remember, Micomsoft SC-512N1-L/DVI, CM Storm Trooper (It's got a handle, can you handle that?), 240mm Asetek based AIO, Crucial M550 256GB (upgrade soon), some hard drives, disc drives, and hot swap bays

Screens- 3  ASUS VN248H-P IPS 1080p screens mounted on a stand, some old tv on the wall above it. 

Stuff- Epicgear defiant (solderless swappable switches), g600, moutned mic and other stuff. 

Laptop docking area- 2 1440p korean monitors mounted, one AHVA matte, one samsung PLS gloss (very annoying, yes). Trashy Razer blackwidow chroma...I mean like the J key doesn't click anymore. I got a model M i use on it to, but its time for a new keyboard. Some edgy Utechsmart mouse similar to g600. Hooked to laptop dock for both of my dell precision laptops. (not only docking area)

Shelf- i7-2600 non-k (has vt-d), 380t, some ASUS sandy itx board, intel quad nic. Currently hosts shared files, setting up as pfsense box in VM. Also acts as spare gaming PC with a 580 or whatever someone brings. Hooked into laptop dock area via usb switch

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I don't see SSDs becoming replacements for storage for a good while.

For the price you pay for an SSD you can get several times the storage in HDDs.

Also SSDs can fail with less warning and once they do getting data off them can be much more challenging.

Don't SSDs have much shorter storage life if they are shelved and not in use vs HDDs as well?

I agree. With HDDs, you just can't beat the price for how much space you get. And plus, when it fails, at least you can hear it when it fails. Try doing that with an SSD. It won't tell you audibly when it fails.

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For me double the price is when Ii'll likely 100% make the switch. If one SSD is cheaper than 2 HDDs in raid 1, good enough for me. Not that SSDs don't fail, but that's my price line.

theyre like 5 times the price right now, but we're getting closer and closer each year!

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