CEO of Seagate: Nobody uses SSDs for storage

[Monte_Carlo]

"Nobody uses SSD's..." 

 

Sure... Except for more than a few ultrabooks, macbooks, and enthusiast systems.  If SSDs are so rare... why did seagate spend R&D money on their hybrid drives?  

 

Seriously... trying to deny a new technology as "we think no one will buy into it" is a business model that has, and will bite everyone in the ass.  Happened with small cars during the 1970s, Nokia vs. Apple, several other predictions that not only proved wrong, but catastrophically so.

 

While I will not phase out a spinny drive anytime soon, my next rig will have a system SSD for fast boot times. 

[Notional]

idk. kinda true for me. i don't see myself owning an ssd anytime soon. i'll stick to trusty old hdds.

 

Because who likes fast computers amirite? Got my 120GB corsair in 2012, never looked back since. Seriously an SSD is a must for OS and software.

 

Quick!

Plug the hole in out slowly sinking business model! 

 

Yup pretty much. Does Seagate even have an SSD department? If no, that along with their shitty drives, will be the end of them in 10 years (and probably insignificant in 5).

[ApolloX75]

I ran my system with a 120GB SSD (Vertex 2) and a 480GB (Vertex 3) for a few months. Fastest I've ever seen shit load. If I can I'll probably do it again soon.

[bpw87]

Accept when you ghetto build with computers that are from the mid 00's 

Except or Accept?

 

I know not everyone will be doing this but I would straight up.

 

I use a WD 4TB Black for mass storage at the moment but I would ditch it in a heart beat if I could get an SSD of the same size for double to triple what the HDD is worth

[Wombo]

And I'm just sitting here, using SSD's for all my storage for over 3 years now.

[Syntaxvgm]

I agree. With HDDs, you just can't beat the price for how much space you get. And plus, when it fails, at least you can hear it when it fails. Try doing that with an SSD. It won't tell you audibly when it fails.

Look above to my comment about the ability to recover failed HDDs, that's where this argument lies as well. I have some experience with HDD data recovery myself, it's very expensive to get done professionally, and it's a very specialized thing to learn, but at least there's a chance. 

 

 

Though I've had drives go from great to dipped needles grinding in about 2 seconds. Ever owned toshiba laptop drives? 

And laptops. That's important to never use HDDs in when it's practical. Drops, even little shit like moist air from a nearby shower kill hdds. 

[Clyne]

I use SSD for storage, i have a 160GB X-25M that is slow AF and not worth it as a OS drive.

I just use it to hold GTA 5 and movies.

But again, statement seems stupid.

[TheGeeker]

So you think people use the for what? Coasters? What a dumb statement.

I use them as mirrors. 

[Sakkura]

Quick!

Plug the hole in our slowly sinking business model!

 

Seagate sells SSDs, so...

 

And yea, seagate still has higher prices on their disks than pretty much everyone else, meaning that most likely people who are savy are going to get a cheaper disk that performs just as well.

Oh well, it'll be a shame if seagate gets dropped from the market, WD would almost certainly start a monopoly

 

Seagate is generally considerably cheaper than WD.

[comicsansms]

Except or Accept?

 

I know not everyone will be doing this but I would straight up.

 

I use a WD 4TB Black for mass storage at the moment but I would ditch it in a heart beat if I could get an SSD of the same size for double to triple what the HDD is worth

Yes Except, I'll fix That now.

And I do make temporary Ghetto computers because they are fun to make. 

I would ditch my HDD's on my current computer quickly too, but i wouldn't replace the hdd's on 10-15 computers from the mid 00's

[bpw87]

i've had 13 year old hard drives run to this day 24/7.

 

nope. speaking the whole truth.

Speaking from my own experience I've had 3 HDD fail on me. One was in my PS3 that I had for 7 years and had all my saves and no backups. It literally devastated me so badly I gave up on console gaming.

 

Hope your luck keeps up man, it can be so frustrating when it goes bad.

[terrytek]

Because who likes fast computers amirite? Got my 120GB corsair in 2012, never looked back since. Seriously an SSD is a must for OS and software.

 

 

Yup pretty much. Does Seagate even have an SSD department? If no, that along with their shitty drives, will be the end of them in 10 years (and probably insignificant in 5).

They do, but they don't make the flash chips. Or the controller. And their drives are not shitty. If anything, they're better than WD for better prices

[Guest]

Meanwhile, I'm here still trying to get enough money for an SSD

[Syntaxvgm]

Seagate sells SSDs, so...

 

The sell terrible SSDs that no one buys and a few enterprise extreme speed options. All I know s they didn't invest in SSDs the way they should have/early enough

[terrytek]

Speaking from my own experience I've had 3 HDD fail on me. One was in my PS3 that I had for 7 years and had all my saves and no backups. It literally devastated me so badly I gave up on console gaming.

 

Hope your luck keeps up man, it can be so frustrating when it goes bad.

they're just NAS for little things, like SNES games, old games,etc. I don't store anything important on it.

 

The sell terrible SSDs that no one buys and a few enterprise extreme speed options. All I know s they didn't invest in SSDs the way they should have/early enough

They're not terrible.

[Godlygamer23]

i've had 13 year old hard drives run to this day 24/7.

 

nope. speaking the whole truth.

Sample size is small. Hard drives are more likely to fail due to mechanical parts versus flash in SSDs. Furthermore, you haven't been able to properly test SSDs versus hard drives(neither have I).

[bpw87]

Yes Except, I'll fix That now.

And I do make temporary Ghetto computers because they are fun to make. 

I would ditch my HDD's on my current computer quickly too, but i wouldn't replace the hdd's on 10-15 computers from the mid 00's

Yeah I wouldn't be doing that either on that many PCs. I'll never look back at HDD for boot drives ever again. It pains me whenever I have to use one now, they just make the system slow and unresponsive.

 

Hmm ghetto building, makes me want to grab my old LGA 775 Q6400 and see if I have enough stuff lying around to build a decent PC

[Syntaxvgm]

Sample size is small. Hard drives are more likely to fail due to mechanical parts versus flash in SSDs. Furthermore, you haven't been able to properly test SSDs versus hard drives(neither have I).

I agree, and that kind of blind trust is what leads people to getting mad at me when I can do nothing about all of their shit on one failed hdd. 

 

Even raid 5 and 6 arrays can be really messy with system failures if the controller isn't designed to cache certain write operations.

Oh, and these larger drives tend to really like to fail during a rebuild, so much so that sometime in the future double parity won't be enough. 

People act like they can throw shit on a raid 6 array and have that be the only cost of storage. 

You need primary array + offsite/cold backup at least. 

Yea, 10 4TB drives in raid 6 will give you 32TB of storage, low cost per GB, but you almost have to double the drives cost- you'll need 8 more drives to backup on for effective secure data. 

Plus given the speed of HHDs, that backup operation is slow, and if you do it full speed, you pretty much take the box offline, even at lower priority, because of the way the read/write heads work still makes a huge response time impact. 

So no, HHDs are not cheap or ideal in any way like people think. It's just the best we've got atm. Storage is today's most important bottleneck. 

I see a future when SSDs that are much durable than HDDs write abuse wise (it'll happen, it already is happening) won't often fail during a rebuild and can still give you a small chunk of data in a few milliseconds even while doing something else, like a complete backup. Medium-Sort Large storage servers are gonna change big time as SSDs improve....well they are already changing I guess. 

[Snadzies]

Just did some quick browsing on Newegg (US).

 

1TB SSDs start at about $330 with the more well known brands starting around $400

Compare that to HDDs where you could get about 6-7 1TB HDDs for the starting price of the single SSD meaning you could have 5-6 redundant copies or just that much more space.

Alternatively you could get a couple 4TB HDDs if you didn't have the physical space for half a dozen HDDs for about the same price of the SSD.

[bpw87]

they're just NAS for little things, like SNES games, old games,etc. I don't store anything important on it.

 Yeah I learn't my lesson there the hard way. Now I either have 2 or 3 copies of all my most valuable files

[comicsansms]

Yeah I wouldn't be doing that either on that many PCs. I'll never look back at HDD for boot drives ever again. It pains me whenever I have to use one now, they just make the system slow and unresponsive.

 

Hmm ghetto building, makes me want to grab my old LGA 775 Q6400 and see if I have enough stuff lying around to build a decent PC

I am currently working on a LGA 775 Pentium Dual Core E5200 (Got for free)

and a Radeon X300se

and an Intel desktop board w/ 2GB's of ram

2 80GB IDE HDD

1 SATA DVD Burner.

AND A DESK ORGANISER!!!!

[Atmos]

Seagate sells SSDs, so...

 

 

Seagate is generally considerably cheaper than WD.

 

Didn't say it wasnt. Hitachi sells drives much cheaper than seagate, and often, there is almost no difference in performance.

[terrytek]

Didn't say it wasnt. Hitachi sells drives much cheaper than seagate, and often, there is almost no difference in performance.

But hitachi drives are more likely to fail. Or was it Toshiba?

[ApolloEleven]

I do! I only have a single SSD in my computer, I will not buy a HDD ever again.

[Syntaxvgm]

Just did some quick browsing on Newegg (US).

 

1TB SSDs start at about $330 with the more well known brands starting around $400

Compare that to HDDs where you could get about 6-7 1TB HDDs for the starting price of the single SSD meaning you could have 5-6 redundant copies or just that much more space.

Alternatively you could get a couple 4TB HDDs if you didn't have the physical space for half a dozen HDDs for about the same price of the SSD.

HDD capacity is not improving much, they have to use shit like helium to make them work, and prices are falling very slowly compared to the past. 

Meanwhile SSDs....