COVID-19 - READ THE RULES BEFORE REPLYING

[Quackers101]

45 minutes ago, tikker said:

Modern (western) society hasn't really dealth with an event like this in a long time, so we are used to the viruses and vaccines for most things being known, under control and readily available.  What you and the entire world with you are seeing now is the reality of cutting edge science and how science deals with unknowns. We don't have the answers and our honest conclusions are that we don't know a lot of things. However, we will know with time and we're doing the best we can to make that time as short as possible.

and we needing all the data we can get from this experience with such a pandemic in a "modern world". even if they are counted as minor, it can accounted for standard practices we should need to follow or new ways that can help dealing with future pandemics. If it be the use of masks, how we deal with vaccines and what we allow and so on. To the many new experimental vaccines like plant based or other types vaccination or solutions. To hong kongs use of live tissue of "homebrewed" lungs and other methods.

[Beerzerker]

47 minutes ago, Donut417 said:

According to the Supreme Court decision in 1905 its up to your governor. Until the Supreme Court changes that ruling legally state governors could impose punishments on people not getting vaccinated. So put that in to the bank. Feel fortunate that most of these people dont have the spine to do this. 

You'll have to show me this one, I've never heard of that before.
And really doesn't matter, our governor has said there will never be a mandate.

[Donut417]

8 minutes ago, Beerzerker said:

You'll have to show me this one, I've never heard of that before.
And really doesn't matter, our governor has said there will never be a mandate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobson_v._Massachusetts

[EphraimK]

11 hours ago, WkdPaul said:

To the man, God replied, “I sent you government officials, a Mayor, Doctors, Nurses, Health officials, radio and television personalities, friends on Facebook telling you to get vaccinated and to take precautions. What more did you expect, what else did you want?"

I'm gonna stop now since it gets political, but God does NOT say to get vaccinated. In fact, I believe the exact opposite!

God says "You shall not Murder.", and vaccinations contained murdered babies' fetal cells.

 

11 hours ago, WkdPaul said:

God helps those who help themselves.

Benjamin Franklin, who wasn't a Christian said that...

[WkdPaul]

19 minutes ago, EDKTech said:

I'm gonna stop now since it gets political, but God does NOT say to get vaccinated. In fact, I believe the exact opposite!

You can believe that, but that's not the truth.

 

19 minutes ago, EDKTech said:

God says "You shall not Murder.", and vaccinations contained murdered babies' fetal cells.

Fetuses aren't babies and vice versa, also, the HEK-293 cell line didn't came from murdering fetuses, it's ONE cell sample that was taken in the 70's and it's been grown in labs since then.

 

Also, if you're against the COVID vaccine because of the use of this cell line, then you should be against modern medicine ... here's a short list of medication that the HEK293 cell line and similar ones ;

 

Tylenol / Acetaminophen (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29273526/)
Advil / Motrin / Ibuprofen (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18161576/)
Aspirin / Acetylsalicylic Acid (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24495935/)
Aleve / Naproxen (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22406417/)
Pseudoephedrine / Sudafed / / SudoGest, Suphedrine (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30871515/)
Diphenhydramine / Benadryl (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18222495/)
Loratadine / Claritin (very long link)
Dextromethorphan / Delsym / Robafen Cough / Robitussin (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32871113/)
Guaifenesin / Mucinex (https://scihubtw.tw/10.1111/cbdd.13409)
Tums / Calcium Carbonate (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24442276/)
Maalox / Aluminum Hydroxide and Magnesium Hydroxide (https://www.fda.gov/media/86818/download)
Docusate / Colace / Ex-Lax Stool Softener (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24410319/)
Senna Glycoside / Sennoside / Senna / Ex-Lax / Senokot (https://www.thieme-connect.com/products/ejournals/abstract/10.1055/s-0033-1348614)
Pepto-Bismol / Bismuth Subsalicylate (https://scihubtw.tw/10.1177/0748233717746810)
Phenylephrine / Preparation H / Vazculep / Suphedrine PE (https://www.karger.com/Article/PDF/453180)
Mepyramine / Pyrilamine (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18222495/)
Lidocaine / Lidoderm / Recticare (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25169754/)

 

And that's just a small sample of over-the-counter medication ... I can supply longer list of drugs if you're really interested, but you'll have to pretty much turn your back on modern medicine really.

 

 

 

19 minutes ago, EDKTech said:

Benjamin Franklin, who wasn't a Christian said that...

Wait, Ben Franklin is as old as the ancient Greek ????

 

The phrase predates modern English, so no, it's not a saying Franklin invented. But it seems like misinformation is on part with each and every post of yours.

[EphraimK]

Just now, WkdPaul said:

You can believe that, but that's not the truth.

 

Fetuses aren't babies and vice versa, also, the HEK-293 cell line didn't came from murdering fetuses, it's ONE cell sample that was taken in the 70's and it's been grown in labs since then.

 

Also, if you're against the COVID vaccine because of the use of this cell line, then you should be against modern medicine ... here's a short list of medication that the HEK293 cell line and similar ones ;

 

Tylenol / Acetaminophen (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29273526/)
Advil / Motrin / Ibuprofen (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18161576/)
Aspirin / Acetylsalicylic Acid (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24495935/)
Aleve / Naproxen (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22406417/)
Pseudoephedrine / Sudafed / / SudoGest, Suphedrine (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30871515/)
Diphenhydramine / Benadryl (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18222495/)
Loratadine / Claritin (very long link)
Dextromethorphan / Delsym / Robafen Cough / Robitussin (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32871113/)
Guaifenesin / Mucinex (https://scihubtw.tw/10.1111/cbdd.13409)
Tums / Calcium Carbonate (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24442276/)
Maalox / Aluminum Hydroxide and Magnesium Hydroxide (https://www.fda.gov/media/86818/download)
Docusate / Colace / Ex-Lax Stool Softener (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24410319/)
Senna Glycoside / Sennoside / Senna / Ex-Lax / Senokot (https://www.thieme-connect.com/products/ejournals/abstract/10.1055/s-0033-1348614)
Pepto-Bismol / Bismuth Subsalicylate (https://scihubtw.tw/10.1177/0748233717746810)
Phenylephrine / Preparation H / Vazculep / Suphedrine PE (https://www.karger.com/Article/PDF/453180)
Mepyramine / Pyrilamine (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18222495/)
Lidocaine / Lidoderm / Recticare (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25169754/)

 

And that's just a small sample of over-the-counter medication ... I can supply longer list of drugs if you're really interested, but you'll have to pretty much turn your back on modern medicine really.

 

 

 

Wait, Ben Franklin is as old as the ancient Greek ????

 

The phrase predates modern English, so no, it's not a saying Franklin invented. But it seems like misinformation is on part with each and every post of yours.

Lol, I don't use any of those.

 

and Ben Franklin was the first person recorded to say that.

 

And seriously, stop spending thirty minutes typing up these "you're an idiot, let's educate you" posts.

 

Aborted babies, among spike proteins and other things are the reason I'm against the jab.

[Quackers101]

3 minutes ago, EDKTech said:

Lol, I don't use any of those.

 

And seriously, stop spending thirty minutes typing up these "you're an idiot, let's educate you" posts.

Aborted babies, among spike proteins and other things are the reason I'm against the jab.

you like messing with them, dont you?

[EphraimK]

Just now, Quackers101 said:

you like messing with them, dont you?

Hey, he started it

[Donut417]

8 minutes ago, Quackers101 said:

you like messing with them, dont you?

What I find funny. Is he probably supports Texas's ban on a women's right to do a certain activity if she doesnt want a kid, but then claims Their body their choice. Cant have it both way. 

[sub68]

So I am a Christian (who has the jab)

My two cents is that you should.

By " the love your neighbor as your self" one of those parts is too protect them and by that the jab is a very good way of doing it.

 

Btw @WkdPaulthe flood part I don't agree with some of it ( I need to do some research) and

[WkdPaul]

22 minutes ago, EDKTech said:

Lol, I don't use any of those.

Good on you I guess ? Still doesn't change the fact that there are tens of thousands of medicine out there that used some sort of fetal sample or stem cells since the 70's, it's impossible to not have used any.

 

 

22 minutes ago, EDKTech said:

and Ben Franklin was the first person recorded to say that.

Again, completely wrong, this appeared in "Discourses Concerning Government", written by Algernon Sidney in ... 1680.

 

22 minutes ago, EDKTech said:

And seriously, stop spending thirty minutes typing up these "you're an idiot, let's educate you" posts.

I'm only pointing out where you're wrong, the "idiot" part is your interpretation, not my words.

 

22 minutes ago, EDKTech said:

Aborted babies, among spike proteins and other things are the reason I'm against the jab.

cells in a test tube aren't aborted babies, spike proteins are only a method used to train our immune system, not sure how that relates to fetal cells ?

[WkdPaul]

10 minutes ago, sub68 said:

Btw @WkdPaulthe flood part I don't agree with some of it ( I need to do some research) and

Am Catholic and it's a story that's often told to kids to make them understand that God doesn't send literal angels when you need help, sometime, an extended hand is what God did to answer a prayer.

 

The drowning man story isn't a good analogy IMO, but it works. If you want to discuss more about religion, we should move to PMs instead of the forum. The above was only because he brought up religion in relation to the vaccine.

[sub68]

21 minutes ago, WkdPaul said:

cells in a test tube aren't aborted babies, spike proteins are only a method used to train our immune system, not sure how that relates to fetal cells ?

I just looked at the ingredients for vaccines and they remind me of baking.

Most spike protein are egg protein and that's used to bind the RNA together.

Salt is being used to preserve the vaccine (thought cold is need for instability reasons)

[sub68]

15 minutes ago, EDKTech said:

Plus, many people have gotten the delta variant AFTER getting the shot and boosters.

Yes, and some what not true.

I have a aunt in UCLA hospital and the vaccine has shown to make COVID less worse then ones without it.

15 minutes ago, EDKTech said:

Wearing a mask has been proven to not work, in fact, the CDC even said that at one point.

Well the thing is that it slows down transmission.

15 minutes ago, EDKTech said:

There is a difference between murder, capital punishment and war.

And with that good night

[SansVarnic]

-= Locked =-

Gonna give this a few to let things cool off.

 

Cleaned, not going to let this discussion derail. Lets stick to the topic at hand. 

Now I am not taking a position just not letting the topic go off topic.

Stick to the posting rules.

 

-= Topic Unlocked =-

Please remember the posting rules moving forward.

[adarw]

On 12/20/2021 at 9:30 PM, Donut417 said:

But your not. Covid has mutated multiple times. There has been no prove immunity to it. Further more I have read about people getting covid multiple times. 

 

can comfirm, dad got coivd more than once, second time was worse btw.

17 hours ago, tikker said:

. What has changed to cause such massive distrust in a vaccine from people now?

politcs and cults. also the fact how news outlets have become monetized making news outlets political.

 

 

7 hours ago, IkeaGnome said:

you're not comfortable getting it,

people are not comfortable because of the reasons i said above. its a vaccine that had so much funding from so many countries, it not being safe is almost impossible. the flu didnt get as much funding as coivd got.

 

 

 

a lot of people here is like oh i dont care about covid, in other words saying as long as its not affecting me or my family i dont care about it, guess what, and it will kill your older/vulnerable loved ones, they don't even need to be vulnerable, someone my sibling knows in the their 20s died from Covid. 

 

@EDKTech, "saying my body my decision", is selfishness at another level. if you were a hermit with no human contact i would say go for it all you want, but reality is you don't, anti-vaxxers ruin it for everyone, people who dont have the vaccines are the reason viruses mutate, once everyone has a vaccine its gone, no more mutations of it, take for example small pox, its been eradicated because everyone agreed upon the fact that science rules. i hope you reflect upon what i just said  

 

20 hours ago, WkdPaul said:

Yeah, no.

 

I and others can't get some treatment because of COVID and it's effect on the healthcare system.

 

So, no, your choice affect others, it's not freedom, it's selfishness.

 

Right...

 

A man was trapped in his house during a flood. He began praying to God to rescue him. He had a vision in his head of God’s hand reaching down from heaven and lifting him to safety. The water started to rise in his house. His neighbor urged him to leave and offered him a ride to safety. The man yelled back, “I am waiting for God to save me.” The neighbor then drove off in his pick-up truck.

The man continued to pray and hold on to his vision. As the water began rising in his house, he had to climb up to the roof. A boat came by with some people heading for safe ground. They yelled at the man to grab a rope they were ready to throw and take him to safety. He told them that he was waiting for God to save him. They shook their heads and moved on.

The man continued to pray, believing with all his heart that he would be saved by God. The floodwaters continued to rise. A helicopter flew by and a voice came over a loudspeaker offering to lower a ladder and take him off the roof. The man waved the helicopter away, shouting back that he was waiting for God to save him. The helicopter left. The flooding water came over the roof and caught him up and swept him away. He drowned.

When he reached heaven and asked, “God, why did you not save me? I believed in you with all my heart. Why did you let me drown?” God replied, “I sent you a pick-up truck, a boat, and a helicopter and you refused all of them. What else could I possibly do for you?

 

 

BTW, you're the drowning guy in that story.

exactly. while I do belive in a religion, it specially tells us to trust in god but at the same time try to live. so in so we should also trust science, and take the vaccine.

 

 

[sub68]

9 hours ago, EDKTech said:

Hey, he started it

Usually it's the one that asked the question starts it.

6 hours ago, adarw said:

 

@EDKTechxactly. while I do belive in a religion, it specially tells us to trust in god but at the same time try to live. 

 I agree to this.

6 hours ago, adarw said:

so in so we should also trust science, and take the vaccine.

Not exactly agree.

6 hours ago, adarw said:

anti-vaxxers ruin it for everyone

Agree it reminds me of close family friends that don't believe that COVID was life threatening.

 

Also the fact Asian hate, made me carry a pocket knife anytime I was on vacation.

I just hate unjust conspiracies

[Donut417]

6 hours ago, adarw said:

an comfirm, dad got coivd more than once, second time was worse btw.

My family knows at least 3 people who have died from it. All were Covid deniers. My dad thinks he had it back September ish of 2019, just based on the symptoms he had back then, though no confirmation on that. 

[sub68]

22 minutes ago, Donut417 said:

. My dad thinks he had it back September ish of 2019, just based on the symptoms he had back then, though no confirmation on that. 

I don't think that's COVID it didn't come in the us until April of 2020.

Probably some respatory problem

[tikker]

1 hour ago, sub68 said:

I don't think that's COVID it didn't come in the us until April of 2020.

Probably some respatory problem

It's very important to make the distinction between reported cases and actual cases here. The first reported case was January 2020 according to Wikipedia. That means it probably was there before already. I've talked to people as well that were very ill after travelling just before COVID "officially" had spread here significantly. Similarly from tests the omicron variant seems to have been in my country in early November already, briefly after South Africa reported it.

 

[Edit] found a better source. CDC confirmed first case end of 2019/early 2020: https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2020/p0121-novel-coronavirus-travel-case.html

[sub68]

48 minutes ago, tikker said:

It's very important to make the distinction between reported cases and actual cases here. The first reported case was January 2020 according to Wikipedia. That means it probably was there before already. I've talked to people as well that were very ill after travelling just before COVID "officially" had spread here significantly. Similarly from tests the omicron variant seems to have been in my country in early November already, briefly after South Africa reported it.

 

[Edit] found a better source. CDC confirmed first case end of 2019/early 2020: https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2020/p0121-novel-coronavirus-travel-case.html

Sorry I was referring to the outbreak in Seattle

[Donut417]

2 hours ago, sub68 said:

I don't think that's COVID it didn't come in the us until April of 2020.

Probably some respatory problem

No one knows when Covid got here that’s the problem. The symptoms matched. 

[sub68]

1 minute ago, Donut417 said:

No one knows when Covid got here that’s the problem. The symptoms matched. 

Ok fair but I thought it didn't develop until November of 19

[tikker]

2 minutes ago, sub68 said:

Ok fair but I thought it didn't develop until November of 19

It maybe wasn't pandemic status until then, but it likely was around already. These things are hard to lock down in retrospect, because at the time we weren't rigorously looking for every trace of it.

[sub68]

3 minutes ago, tikker said:

It maybe wasn't pandemic status until then, but it likely was around already. These things are hard to lock down in retrospect, because at the time we weren't rigorously looking for every trace of it.

True, I was just thinking of the main place were it was first spread would not be in the US that fast...

I can't articulate today but I think you get the point.