COVID-19 - READ THE RULES BEFORE REPLYING

[WkdPaul]

Digging a little bit, and seems that they were warned about this back in July ;
https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/hackers-claim-they-cracked-quebec-s-vaccination-qr-codes-government-says-they-re-completely-secure-1.5525677

 

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In a statement, the ministry of health said the QR code is “completely secure" and the government would “never put Quebecers’ data at risk.”
[...]
The QR code is not forgeable. It contains an encrypted signature from the Quebec government. It does not constitute proof of identity. Therefore, to avoid fraud or identity theft, the QR code must be combined with proof of identity.

 

So, the fact that they decided to go with QR code + ID seems odd to me, in France they don't ask for ID, the QR code is enough. So I'm wondering, is it because they knew it was easy to hack/forge ?

BTW ... not saying a vaccine passport is useless, I'm just questioning the local gov actions around our version.

[SteveGrabowski0]

On 8/26/2021 at 4:31 AM, lewdicrous said:

 

That's depressing. My cousin was getting oxygen in the COVID ward last year for a couple of days (turned out she was negative and had an unrelated pneumonia that cleared up in those two days of getting oxygen) and said she was hearing these alarms going off all day and night and people coding all day and night, one after the other.

[tikker]

3 minutes ago, SteveGrabowski0 said:

That's depressing. My cousin was getting oxygen in the COVID ward last year for a couple of days (turned out she was negative and had an unrelated pneumonia that cleared up in those two days of getting oxygen) and said she was hearing these alarms going off all day and night and people coding all day and night, one after the other.

That must be horrible. Let alone being a doctor who for better or for worse is somewhat used to it (not that it makes it any better for them), lying there as a random civilian seeing and hearing people go out literally meters away must be quite unsettling.

[SteveGrabowski0]

17 minutes ago, tikker said:

That must be horrible. Let alone being a doctor who for better or for worse is somewhat used to it (not that it makes it any better for them), lying there as a random civilian seeing and hearing people go out literally meters away must be quite unsettling.

Nah she's a nurse so she knew exactly what those sounds meant that she was hearing all night. But not a COVID ward nurse so she hadn't experienced it firsthand until then I think.

[Quackers101]

14 hours ago, Falkentyne said:

I really don't like talking about this stuff because its embarrassing.

I appreciate you telling this, if you did not want to share by all means delete it.

Some could go through the same situation and be worried, so it can be helpful information and if you felt like not sharing it, it's up to you to choose what you want to do with it.

Spoiler

but I do like you were able to explain when and why, which helps putting the situation or picture together of what you mentioned, and we shouldn't be forcing you to say something you dont want to share or feel is too private information. Health and other stuff, can be very private matters and should be taken seriously.

[Quackers101]

1 hour ago, SteveGrabowski0 said:

That's depressing. My cousin was getting oxygen in the COVID ward last year for a couple of days (turned out she was negative and had an unrelated pneumonia that cleared up in those two days of getting oxygen) and said she was hearing these alarms going off all day and night and people coding all day and night, one after the other.

wait she was there, and did not get covid from being there? thats something, hospitals can be such a hot zone for spreading in close spaces with various diseases all around. Good that she cleared up, and yes trying to sleep at active parts in an hospital is not fun and good to have visitors. *gets put into a capsule and plays games while its noise isolated with many emergancy features*.

[Andreas Lilja]

So someone already found a way to make fake QR codes for the vaccine passport thingy.

[lewdicrous]

More Beau.

[Sauce]

 

Masks are most effective when they are used correctly; keep it over your nose, make sure it fits well, etc.

[Andreas Lilja]

I've read that the current masks are only 10% effective. 

 

Then again it's a University of Waterloo internal study. 

[lewdicrous]

4 hours ago, Andreas Lilja said:

I've read that the current masks are only 10% effective. 

 

Then again it's a University of Waterloo internal study. 

Talking about this study?

https://uwaterloo.ca/news/media/study-supports-widespread-use-better-masks-curb-covid-19

https://aip.scitation.org/doi/10.1063/5.0057100

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The study showed that most common masks, primarily due to problems with fit, filter about 10 per cent of exhaled aerosol droplets. The remaining aerosols are redirected, mostly out the top of the mask where it fits over the nose, and escape into the ambient air unfiltered.

 

By contrast, higher-quality, more expensive N95 and KN95 masks filtered more than 50 per cent of the exhaled aerosols that can accumulate indoors and spread the COVID-19 virus when inhaled by other people.

 

Yarusevych, principal investigator in the Fluid Mechanics Research Lab, said the much greater effectiveness of N95 and KN95 masks versus cloth and surgical masks makes a compelling case they should be worn in indoor settings, such as schools and workplaces, as much as possible.

 

“A lot of this may seem like common sense,” he said. “There is a reason, for instance, that medical practitioners wear N95 masks – they work much better. The novelty here is that we have provided solid numbers and rigorous analysis to support that assumption.”

The 10% effectiveness is due to improper fitment, not necessarily because of the masks themselves. This is why you need to find a mask that fits you well. Fitment is very important.

 

The type of mask is also important. (Some are more effective than others, e.g. cloth vs N95, but they're both better than nothing)

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“There is no question it is beneficial to wear any face covering, both for protection in close proximity and at a distance in a room,” said Serhiy Yarusevych, a professor of mechanical and mechatronics engineering and the leader of the study. “However, there is a very serious difference in the effectiveness of different masks when it comes to controlling aerosols.”

 

[Spotty]

Australia has done relatively well throughout the pandemic but in the last month things have really kicked up a gear. Now seeing 1000+ new cases a day and still climbing, which is the highest rate of new cases for Australia so far. It's crazy how quickly we went from just a few cases a day (almost all travellers in quarantine) to this. Delta strain does not mess around.

 

[Quackers101]

3 hours ago, lewdicrous said:

Talking about this study?

https://uwaterloo.ca/news/media/study-supports-widespread-use-better-masks-curb-covid-19

https://aip.scitation.org/doi/10.1063/5.0057100

The 10% effectiveness is due to improper fitment, not necessarily because of the masks themselves. This is why you need to find a mask that fits you well. Fitment is very important.

 

The type of mask is also important. (Some are more effective than others, e.g. cloth vs N95, but they're both better than nothing)

N95 is overrated for covid. just get more fabric to catch it and like you say, the fitment and adjustment of masks can cause all sort of problems. If you don't feel it fits ot becoming bothersome, its very likely some want to take it off or use it as little as they can. Also then about having a place to store the mask without it becoming "infected". Also most masks that are not "one time use" should often fit a lot better. to reduce what goes out or in through the sides of it, by breathing or poor fit.

[lewdicrous]

2 hours ago, Quackers101 said:

N95 is overrated for covid. just get more fabric to catch it and like you say, the fitment and adjustment of masks can cause all sort of problems. If you don't feel it fits ot becoming bothersome, its very likely some want to take it off or use it as little as they can. Also then about having a place to store the mask without it becoming "infected". Also most masks that are not "one time use" should often fit a lot better. to reduce what goes out or in through the sides of it, by breathing or poor fit.

I wouldn't say it's overrated, but the type of mask you should use differs based on where you're going/working.

That study focused on indoor performance; how masks and ventilation affect the amount/concentration of aerosols indoors. They found that N/KN95 masks were better 'cause they fit better = more aerosols are blocked/filtered by the mask = fewer aerosols in the air.

 

If you're just buying groceries, then a multi-layered fabric mask may be enough (as long as it fits well), but if you're going to be indoors for an extended period of time (work, school, etc.), then maybe those other masks would be better suited.

Either way, we reach a similar conclusion; wearing a mask is better than not wearing one.

[leadeater]

5 hours ago, Spotty said:

Australia has done relatively well throughout the pandemic but in the last month things have really kicked up a gear. Now seeing 1000+ new cases a day and still climbing, which is the highest rate of new cases for Australia so far. It's crazy how quickly we went from just a few cases a day (almost all travellers in quarantine) to this. Delta strain does not mess around.

P.S. NZ sends our thanks 

[captain_to_fire]

15 hours ago, lewdicrous said:

Talking about this study?

https://uwaterloo.ca/news/media/study-supports-widespread-use-better-masks-curb-covid-19

https://aip.scitation.org/doi/10.1063/5.0057100

The 10% effectiveness is due to improper fitment, not necessarily because of the masks themselves. This is why you need to find a mask that fits you well. Fitment is very important.

 

The type of mask is also important. (Some are more effective than others, e.g. cloth vs N95, but they're both better than nothing)

 

Not an ad, but this is why I like Korea's KF94 design as it provides both comfort and coverage to my face. 

 

https://www.amazon.com/Dr-Puri-Micro-Dust-Protection-Premium-White/dp/B08N67J6J4/

 

But for my morning runs outside I just use a cloth mask and avoid people. Though avoiding people isn't new to me, I've been doing that for many years already 

 

7 hours ago, leadeater said:

P.S. NZ sends our thanks 

I thought NZ had a lockdown because of a single case of the Delta variant

[Falkentyne]

2 hours ago, captain_to_fire said:

Not an ad, but this is why I like Korea's KF94 design as it provides both comfort and coverage to my face. 

 

https://www.amazon.com/Dr-Puri-Micro-Dust-Protection-Premium-White/dp/B08N67J6J4/

 

But for my morning runs outside I just use a cloth mask and avoid people. Though avoiding people isn't new to me, I've been doing that for many years already 

 

I thought NZ had a lockdown because of a single case of the Delta variant

 

Those pads are fake though (counterfeit/clone).

[captain_to_fire]

5 minutes ago, Falkentyne said:

 

Those pads are fake though (counterfeit/clone).

I have my own way to test masks for breathability simply by trying one piece and try to breathe through them. I know masks aren't created equal. And as mentioned above, fit is what matters the most. If there are ingress points due to improper fit, that defeats the purpose of wearing a mask. I do own a legit 3M N95 respirator, but I only use it whenever I go to the hospital for my consultation.

 

I gotta say though I despise the KN95 ones from China, not because of my not so positive thoughts about their leaders but many of these KN95 ones are way too thick and close to being non-porous which makes it hard to breathe so I resorted to the Korea-made ones.

[leadeater]

6 hours ago, captain_to_fire said:

I thought NZ had a lockdown because of a single case of the Delta variant

Yep, from Australia

[Andreas Lilja]

https://www.theverge.com/2021/8/27/22644579/tiktok-reddit-facebook-ivermectin-covid-19-misinformation

 

Man the comment section on FB was full of true believers, it's crazy. 

[leadeater]

10 minutes ago, Andreas Lilja said:

https://www.theverge.com/2021/8/27/22644579/tiktok-reddit-facebook-ivermectin-covid-19-misinformation

 

Man the comment section on FB was full of true believers, it's crazy. 

And that is something I'll never understand. Refuse to take vaccine because "too untested" or "developed too quickly" etc etc but will happily take cow de-wormer, seriously WTF.

[captain_to_fire]

1 hour ago, leadeater said:

And that is something I'll never understand. Refuse to take vaccine because "too untested" or "developed too quickly" etc etc but will happily take cow de-wormer, seriously WTF.

I can imagine how people who own ranches feel that their animals can no longer access the deworming drug they need because people are hoarding them. I guess it’s appropriate to call these ivermectin hoarders as “swine” and “horse faces”.

[tikker]

4 hours ago, leadeater said:

And that is something I'll never understand. Refuse to take vaccine because "too untested" or "developed too quickly" etc etc but will happily take cow de-wormer, seriously WTF.

It has even been looked at seriously: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/?term=ivermectin+covid-19&sort=pubdate Honestly they are like flat-Earthers at this point. You cannot convince them otherwise. Even countering their "untested" arguments with a clinical study that ivermectin doesn't seem to help [JAMA].

 

4 hours ago, Andreas Lilja said:

Man the comment section on FB was full of true believers, it's crazy.

I've even come across comments on FB (can't find the screenshot anymore of course) that you are still lied to because the FDA approved vaccine is "Comirnaty" and they are injecting you with "BioNTech/Pfizer".

[lewdicrous]

Seems fitting.

/s of course.

2 hours ago, tikker said:

I've even come across comments on FB (can't find the screenshot anymore of course) that you are still lied to because the FDA approved vaccine is "Comirnaty" and they are injecting you with "BioNTech/Pfizer".

It's not really surprising that they moved the goal posts, yet again. At this point, it feels like a mixture between the sunk cost fallacy and the inability (or unwillingness) to admit that they're wrong.

They'd rather take a neurotoxin when a vaccine that's been studied for years, iirc, is available. More that 2 billion people are fully vaccinated against covid19, but they choose fringe bullshit without scientific backing.

[tikker]

15 minutes ago, lewdicrous said:

It's not really surprising that they moved the goal posts, yet again. At this point, it feels like a mixture between the sunk cost fallacy and the inability (or unwillingness) to admit that they're wrong.

They'd rather take a neurotoxin when a vaccine that's been studied for years, iirc, is available. More that 2 billion people are fully vaccinated against covid19, but they choose fringe bullshit without scientific backing.

I mean neurotoxins aside they are quite literally choosing death over a vaccine it seems... I don't really keep track, but it feels I'm seeing a ton headlines of supposed (or actual) authority figures of these sort of groups passing away lately. Always of COVID, always unvaccinated. I think you're right that it's unwillingness. If you've seen Behind the Curve you realise these kind people will call a red car blue, proof it to be red and still say it's blue. The opposition already thinks they're crazy and giving in will likely result in being shunned by their current friends.

[WkdPaul]

On 8/28/2021 at 12:04 AM, Andreas Lilja said:

I've read that the current masks are only 10% effective. 

 

Then again it's a University of Waterloo internal study. 

Yeah, a news outlet talked to a "specialist" that said our app should be taken as a model by other countries, and that it was perfect in terms of security .... Not kidding, I posted links about a few days ago ;

https://linustechtips.com/topic/1192295-covid-19-read-the-rules-before-replying/page/206/?tab=comments#comment-14956339

 

 

11 hours ago, leadeater said:

And that is something I'll never understand. Refuse to take vaccine because "too untested" or "developed too quickly" etc etc but will happily take cow de-wormer, seriously WTF.

I've seen a post on a sub that's promoting ivermectin for COVID as a treatment, and they unironically posted links to the FDA's website about ivermectin being approved, while a few paragraphs down, blasting the vaccine even though it's approved by the FDA (the post was made after the FDA approved the vaccine, yes, and they recognize that it was, but somehow that's not relevant because the FDA are shills and will make a lot of mistakes approving drugs ... Not kidding). It's puzzling how much doublespeak these guys are spouting.