COVID-19 - READ THE RULES BEFORE REPLYING

[Letgomyleghoe]

On 2/28/2021 at 12:14 PM, minibois said:

1. Most of the vaccinations are reported to be ~95% effective, meaning people still can get sick from the virus if I'm understanding this correctly?

well if everyone at the inperson thing has the vaccine, the chances of someone who is contagious coming to the event are already slim,  But then you take in the fact that everyone else is vaccinated and wearing masks and the chance of catching decreases extremely. But yes, theoretically someone could still get sick even if everyone at the event had a covid passport, but the chances would be extremely, extremely slim.

On 2/28/2021 at 12:14 PM, minibois said:

2. The other concern I have, is that people with this vaccination can still carry the virus and - through whatever means - transmit them to others, including those without the vaccination (or with it for that matter), is that correct?

you could still carry it, but the chance of carrying would also be reduced 95%. If were on the same page carrying meaning being infected, but asymptomatic.

 

[Andreas Lilja]

At least some faith remaining in parts of humanity, some countries know how to stop a pandemic.

 

https://indianexpress.com/article/explained/explained-new-zealand-bans-travellers-from-india-will-other-countries-follow-7264032/

[CorruptedTech]

Sigh I lost My uncle and grandma to covid.

[CorruptedTech]

Just now, Benji said:

Sorry for your loss.

thx, kind sir.

[rikitikitavi]

On 4/8/2021 at 3:12 PM, 12345678 said:

Anyway, I'm sorry but I just don't understand what's the point of vaccinating the elders first, unless it's not for politcal reasons / testing reasons

 

most of the contacts are made from youngster and middle ages, and they usually are numerically inferior to elders, so it would take less time to vaccinate those, and at the same time you will decrease the spreading of it

As far as I've heard, if a vaccinated person is in contact with infected, then there is still possibility that vaccinated one might spread the virus afterwards. Therefore, vaccinated youth, might still bring it home, school, etc

[12345678]

9 minutes ago, rikitikitavi said:

As far as I've heard, if a vaccinated person is in contact with infected, then there is still possibility that vaccinated one might spread the virus afterwards. Therefore, vaccinated youth, might still bring it home, school, etc

yeah you're right, but those are part of the population who generally have more contact with people

 

also I struggle to say it, but frankly I just don't understand giving the priority to some old geezer over 90, who might aswell die for something else one day or another one, futhermore usually that demography of population is huge in respect to the others, and in theory they can aswell have less contact with others

 

just getting annoyed with all those gerontopolitics

[Andreas Lilja]

Pass through a park to get to work; no distancing, no masks (or on the chin). Full of people, almost never seen.

 

I salute the medical personel who still have empathy for most of their patients.

[IkeaGnome]

On 4/7/2021 at 7:29 AM, FakeATF said:

I'm not Anti-vax or whatever, and I haven't really followed the vaccine. As for why would I not get it? Well, in my area they are only doing clinics of 200 doses at a time, and since i'm not in a risk group and there are a lot of geriatric people who live here, I figure that it'd be best for them to get theirs before I do.

 

On 4/7/2021 at 10:44 AM, dalekphalm said:

I'm not saying that you should try and get it before people who are at high risk do.

 

But once it becomes available to the general public, there is literally no reason for you to avoid it. COVID can still post a risk to a younger person, even if the risk of death is next to zero.

I know it's a few days late, but to add to this. If it's open for the general public, there's a good chance that the people in that age group that would have gotten it are choosing not to. This leads to three reasons to get it. 1) you want it. 2) that means less people in the vulnerable group aren't getting it, which makes for more reason for us to get it. (I know us getting it won't keep us from transmitting all the time, but it makes it more likely that people in your area could have it). 3) They have a shelf life. If it's available, it'll go bad before too long. 

[FakeATF]

16 hours ago, IkeaGnome said:

 

I know it's a few days late, but to add to this. If it's open for the general public, there's a good chance that the people in that age group that would have gotten it are choosing not to. This leads to three reasons to get it. 1) you want it. 2) that means less people in the vulnerable group aren't getting it, which makes for more reason for us to get it. (I know us getting it won't keep us from transmitting all the time, but it makes it more likely that people in your area could have it). 3) They have a shelf life. If it's available, it'll go bad before too long. 

There are ~11,000 people who live in my area (3 towns that are right next to each other) and they've probably only done a dozen or so vaccine clinics. I think people keep misreading what I meant. I probably will get vaccinated, it's just a matter of when.

[dalekphalm]

9 minutes ago, FakeATF said:

There are ~11,000 people who live in my area (3 towns that are right next to each other) and they've probably only done a dozen or so vaccine clinics. I think people keep misreading what I meant. I probably will get vaccinated, it's just a matter of when.

I think the reason people are "misinterpreting" (and not misreading) what you meant, is because you said:

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unno when or even if I'll get vaccinated because i'm not required to do it yet.

Emphasis mine.

 

People think you might not get vaccinated, because you said you might not get vaccinated.

 

If that's not the case, I apologize for misinterpreting your statement, but it's difficult to interpret the statement otherwise.

[IkeaGnome]

13 minutes ago, FakeATF said:

There are ~11,000 people who live in my area (3 towns that are right next to each other) and they've probably only done a dozen or so vaccine clinics. I think people keep misreading what I meant. I probably will get vaccinated, it's just a matter of when.

 

2 minutes ago, dalekphalm said:

I think the reason people are "misinterpreting" (and not misreading) what you meant, is because you said:

Emphasis mine.

 

People think you might not get vaccinated, because you said you might not get vaccinated.

 

If that's not the case, I apologize for misinterpreting your statement, but it's difficult to interpret the statement otherwise.

I went on a little bit of an anecdotal rant there, but that is exactly why I thought you were thinking about not getting it.

[FakeATF]

1 minute ago, IkeaGnome said:

 

I went on a little bit of an anecdotal rant there, but that is exactly why I thought you were thinking about not getting it.

 

4 minutes ago, dalekphalm said:

I think the reason people are "misinterpreting" (and not misreading) what you meant, is because you said:

Emphasis mine.

 

People think you might not get vaccinated, because you said you might not get vaccinated.

 

If that's not the case, I apologize for misinterpreting your statement, but it's difficult to interpret the statement otherwise.

Lol I forgot that I even put that there. whoops

[IkeaGnome]

Just now, FakeATF said:

 

Lol I forgot that I even put that there. whoops

No problem! I was as much saying that to anyone that might be reading that is in the same position as you are.

While we need to think about our communities and make sure that the people that need the vaccine get it, there's been enough clinics (At least here in the states and a few other countries) that the people who need it, should have gotten it if they want it. It's time to think of ourselves to help everyone. If that makes sense. 

[Guest]

On 4/9/2021 at 10:12 AM, 12345678 said:

Anyway, I'm sorry but I just don't understand what's the point of vaccinating the elders first, unless it's not for politcal reasons / testing reasons

 

Old people have terrible immune systems and their lymphatics are not great. The most notable change to your immune system as you age is your naive T cell population gets depleted - this is as more memory T cells are generated as your body has fought off more infections. This means your chance of detecting a virus, or other pathogen, that your body hasn't seen before is impaired. Viral innate immunity is impaired in other ways in elderly individuals - low NK cell populations mean a virus can take hold fairly easily. This is demonstrated epidemiologically in the higher mortality rate for COVID in old people. 

On 4/9/2021 at 10:12 AM, 12345678 said:

most of the contacts are made from youngster and middle ages, and they usually are numerically inferior to elders, so it would take less time to vaccinate those, and at the same time you will decrease the spreading of it

Younger individuals have a much lower risk of mortality than aged individuals. We would ideally like to prevent death, so we target aged and immunosuppressed individuals first. 

On 4/9/2021 at 10:15 AM, 12345678 said:

meanwhile again politics is just a pain in the ass, like in Italy, yeah we should also vaccinate for first teachers and lawyers because they have contact with the public

 

but those are BULLSHITS, most of those jobs are being done remotely, they have no fucking reasons to be vaccinated for first, but you know, those factions have also huge influence to governments

Those are bullshit, I agree. Like politicians getting vaccinated first as well. Makes sense for a prime minister or president to get the jab, but it should be limited to that. 

[Andreas Lilja]

Politicians are not vaccinated first here. 

 

It works by age cohort. 

 

Next essential workers. Mostly teachers since we apparently really needed to open schools. 

[Guest]

On 4/9/2021 at 12:16 PM, Letgomyleghoe said:

well if everyone at the inperson thing has the vaccine, the chances of someone who is contagious coming to the event are already slim,  But then you take in the fact that everyone else is vaccinated and wearing masks and the chance of catching decreases extremely. But yes, theoretically someone could still get sick even if everyone at the event had a covid passport, but the chances would be extremely, extremely slim.

you could still carry it, but the chance of carrying would also be reduced 95%. If were on the same page carrying meaning being infected, but asymptomatic.

 

Just wanted to say on this topic

 

When you have a vaccine, it means your body can recognise and eliminate the viral replication portion of the vaccine. This secondary response can take hours to initiate, in that timeframe there may be some infected cells that can mean the virus is able to spread from a vaccinated individual - it would really depend on viral load, as would symptoms (it would often be asymptomatic as the innate immune system will not be as activated, as the adaptive immune system is initiated much quicker)

 

Many people think of vaccine efficacy like you can either be immune or not, whether the vaccine works. It's not quite black and white. You have three main components, the epitope (the bit of the virus we want the immune system to recognise), the vector (you've probably heard of the adenovirus vector, or an mRNA vaccine), and an adjuvant. The last one is important to stimulate the immune system, thats why people often get flu-like effects - thats the innate system reacting and detecting the vaccine. What we want to initiate with a vaccine is a T-cell dependent antibody response (TDAR). T cells are important for activation of B cells to produce antibodies. If successful, the vaccine will produce the correct antibody response.

 

Sometimes it's not quite as effective in some individuals due to HLA haplotypes - HLA is a molecule in our bodies that recognises the epitope and varies with different people. The binding affinity of the epitope to the HLA molecule may determine how significant the T cell response is. If we don't have a significant T cell response, we still might get an antibody response, however the antibody response may be different, not quite as effective at eliminating the virus. 

 

So vaccine effectiveness can vary person to person by many factors, and response varies. However it is important to remember that a vaccine is much better than 'natural immunity' (whatever that is lol). There is much less chance of antigenic sin - where the immune system recognises a portion of the virus that is not a conserved region, or the viral replicating region, so there is a chance of re-infection. Moreover, you may have complications from the primary infection. 

[Andreas Lilja]

Greetings from Montréal

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/mcgill/comments/mny5mt/just_disappointing_tbh/

[PhantomJaguarr]

My county/city is now almost 25% fully vaccinated. Hope this keeps up ahead of summer because we are a tourist hotspot.

 

https://www.kpbs.org/news/2021/apr/09/san-diego-county-nearing-25-fully-vaccinated-again/

[Andreas Lilja]

Protest the curfew, attack small businesses. 

[Rauten]

7 hours ago, Benji said:

I have no idea what these idiots think they're doing, but apparently their brains don't work appropriately anymore. Every time someone "protests" against something, other innocent people have to suffer because these tools start randomly destroying other people's property.

"Oh, hey, an excuse for wanton violence! IDIOT SMASH!"

They don't give a shit about the harm they may cause others, they only care about letting go of any shred of dignity and causing harm to anything and anyone in their sights.

 

[WkdPaul]

8 hours ago, Benji said:

I have no idea what these idiots think they're doing, but apparently their brains don't work appropriately anymore. Every time someone "protests" against something, other innocent people have to suffer because these tools start randomly destroying other people's property.

Protesting government COVID rules by smashing small businesses is painfully idiotic. Small and local business already have a hard time because of all the COVID restriction already, having to deal with this on top must be so frustrating !

[WkdPaul]

Canadian gets double lungs transplant because of COVID related permanent damages to his lungs ;

https://www.cp24.com/news/mississauga-man-with-covid-destroyed-lungs-receives-double-lung-transplant-1.5383613

 

 

People should really think about it twice, just like the gym outbreak (now linked to 440+ infections), you might be fine and COVID might be nothing to you, but the people you infect might not be as lucky.

[Rauten]

9 minutes ago, wkdpaul said:

Canadian gets double lungs transplant because of COVID related permanent damages to his lungs ;

https://www.cp24.com/news/mississauga-man-with-covid-destroyed-lungs-receives-double-lung-transplant-1.5383613

 

 

People should really think about it twice, just like the gym outbreak (now linked to 440+ infections), you might be fine and COVID might be nothing to you, but the people you infect might not be as lucky.

That would require that people think about anyone but themselves - which is clearly impossible.

[sub68]

I unfortunately live in a college town that students party.

I saw a party that was unmasked ugh.

[flibberdipper]

3 minutes ago, Rauten said:

That would require that people think about anyone but themselves - which is clearly impossible.

My state is a fantastic example of this. And of course, I get to live in one of the worst counties. This is fine.

 

Unrelated, Montana do be lookin' mighty fine right about now. At least it's not solid fucking red.