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[Bitter]

I think your Conti's are more cold tolerant than my Dunlop. If I took the Celica out right now I could pretty much do a FWD burn out with the thing, up the temp to 60F and that's impossible to do. In fact since I've gotten the alignment sorted out I've been unable to slide the car at all. Used to be I could coast into a hard 90 deg turn, power on throttle while making a sharp steer, understeer slide it, then jab the brakes and snap the car right in line to where I wanted it pointed. Cool but not very practical, I much prefer the current 'lethal speeds required for loss of traction'.

[vetali]

16 minutes ago, Bitter said:

I think your Conti's are more cold tolerant than my Dunlop. If I took the Celica out right now I could pretty much do a FWD burn out with the thing, up the temp to 60F and that's impossible to do. In fact since I've gotten the alignment sorted out I've been unable to slide the car at all. Used to be I could coast into a hard 90 deg turn, power on throttle while making a sharp steer, understeer slide it, then jab the brakes and snap the car right in line to where I wanted it pointed. Cool but not very practical, I much prefer the current 'lethal speeds required for loss of traction'.

From what I read, my contis are great for street and light autox, Track they fall apart. Which is perfect for my uses. 

 

I used to be able to swing the ass end of my car around with my old setup. Not my current one, at least on the street. 

[FuzzyYellow]

35 minutes ago, Bitter said:

I think your Conti's are more cold tolerant than my Dunlop. If I took the Celica out right now I could pretty much do a FWD burn out with the thing, up the temp to 60F and that's impossible to do. In fact since I've gotten the alignment sorted out I've been unable to slide the car at all. Used to be I could coast into a hard 90 deg turn, power on throttle while making a sharp steer, understeer slide it, then jab the brakes and snap the car right in line to where I wanted it pointed. Cool but not very practical, I much prefer the current 'lethal speeds required for loss of traction'.

 

12 minutes ago, vetali said:

From what I read, my contis are great for street and light autox, Track they fall apart. Which is perfect for my uses. 

 

I used to be able to swing the ass end of my car around with my old setup. Not my current one, at least on the street. 

you guys are making me miss my geforce Comp2s  

[Bitter]

14 minutes ago, vetali said:

From what I read, my contis are great for street and light autox, Track they fall apart. Which is perfect for my uses. 

 

I used to be able to swing the ass end of my car around with my old setup. Not my current one, at least on the street. 

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Continental&tireModel=ExtremeContact+DW

I put a set of those on some old Vette C6 wheels for a guy's race car which is an all motor LS swapped 70 something Camaro. I with I could find the build thread for his car, used to be able to string a few words into google and it was a top hit but they changed up the internet pipes.

[Bitter]

11 minutes ago, FuzzyYellow said:

 

you guys are making me miss my geforce Comp2s

I had some geforce all seasons prior and they were abysmal, the Z2's actually ride more quietly and more smoothly WITH the solid poly bushings and coil overs than the BFG's ever did with the stock suspension. Terrible terrible tires! Honestly the Dunlops feel like premium tires, just a little bit of road noise from them but it's not a quiet car anyway.

 

Ok but they do this one weird noise and I just kind of love it. Over super smooth road surfaces like patches of crack sealer or really polished asphalt they make this sound like a string of octopus suckers being pulled off something in a cartoon. There's some tire voids that don't connect to any other voids and the sound is the air popping under pressure as the car and tire compresses it against the road which is too smooth to let it out fast enough. Sounds HILARIOUS in the car, but also apt for the grip levels these tires have. I'll probably source some old stock Z2 starspecs or get the new Z3's to replace these in a few more years if I can ever wear them down. I just am not driving it enough anymore because it gets so disgusting at work with all the dust and it's a black car...and I really don't want to get hit by some asshole and be screwed over by insurance paying way less than it should sell for. They'll give me like $2000 but it's worth closer to $3500-$4000 conservatively. I know, big baller, but I really adore the car and how it drives now as slow as it is.

[bcredeur97]

34 minutes ago, FuzzyYellow said:

 

you guys are making me miss my geforce Comp2s  

comp2's are great. had those on my corolla for a short while as autocross only tires because I was cheap lol

 

grip was fine, good tire to learn on. things were amazing in the rain tho. soared right through puddles

[bcredeur97]

21 minutes ago, Bitter said:

I had some geforce all seasons prior and they were abysmal, the Z2's actually ride more quietly and more smoothly WITH the solid poly bushings and coil overs than the BFG's ever did with the stock suspension. Terrible terrible tires! Honestly the Dunlops feel like premium tires, just a little bit of road noise from them but it's not a quiet car anyway.

 

Ok but they do this one weird noise and I just kind of love it. Over super smooth road surfaces like patches of crack sealer or really polished asphalt they make this sound like a string of octopus suckers being pulled off something in a cartoon. There's some tire voids that don't connect to any other voids and the sound is the air popping under pressure as the car and tire compresses it against the road which is too smooth to let it out fast enough. Sounds HILARIOUS in the car, but also apt for the grip levels these tires have. I'll probably source some old stock Z2 starspecs or get the new Z3's to replace these in a few more years if I can ever wear them down. I just am not driving it enough anymore because it gets so disgusting at work with all the dust and it's a black car...and I really don't want to get hit by some asshole and be screwed over by insurance paying way less than it should sell for. They'll give me like $2000 but it's worth closer to $3500-$4000 conservatively. I know, big baller, but I really adore the car and how it drives now as slow as it is.

my dad had Direzza Z2's on his G35 for a while. I didn't care for them too much. they lacked in dry grip in comparison to every other summer tire I've driven on(i can name 4), they honestly didn't grip as much as the all seasons he previously had (some hankook ventus s1 noble 2's). They aren't bad tires, and they last a long time(I think this is what they were going for), I just didn't care for them.

 

I think they were better in wet than the all seasons though. that's kind of a thing with summer tires in general iirc.

[Bitter]

They're picky about alignment, they really like camber. For an otherwise stock car there's better tires than the Z2 especially if you never get them warmed up or keep them warmed up. Until I added more camber I could push them around and slide them and they felt like they were at their limits without a lot of lateral force. Then I re-aligned the car and WOW.

 

I don't recall if I posted this already or not, my memory is shot I think there's a bad DIMM up there.

That's a roughly 3 mile span of road in roughly 3 minutes so not too shabby on those tires under the right car with the right setup. When you hear the engine tone change at higher speeds that's 60 and the upshift after that happens at 80.

 

[bcredeur97]

12 minutes ago, Bitter said:

They're picky about alignment, they really like camber. For an otherwise stock car there's better tires than the Z2 especially if you never get them warmed up or keep them warmed up. Until I added more camber I could push them around and slide them and they felt like they were at their limits without a lot of lateral force. Then I re-aligned the car and WOW.

 

I don't recall if I posted this already or not, my memory is shot I think there's a bad DIMM up there.

-snip-

That's a roughly 3 mile span of road in roughly 3 minutes so not too shabby on those tires under the right car with the right setup. When you hear the engine tone change at higher speeds that's 60 and the upshift after that happens at 80.

 

yeah alignments can make a diff for sure.. usually allow you to use more of the tire surface in turns compared to OEM alignment specs, which tend to just rollover the sidewalls on the limit   This is why I have seperate autocross tires, you just destroy the outside edge of the front tires unless you modify the car. (that and the RE-71R's last as long as possible lol) 

gosh I dream of having good roads like that here. Poor miata never sees anything fun around here.

 

I really want to go autocross again.. been a while (timestamped @ fastest run last April)

 

[Bitter]

I dream of an autocross course not only that long but one which my Celica could run without being part of a club or a class or whatever, around here you've got to own a Miata or a Porsche or commit to racing competitively and those 'just here for fun' are looked down upon for messing up the points for the 'real racers'. The road course track days here are like $350+ for just a day of time which is a little too steep for a single day leisure activity for me right now.

 

Oh and that's literally the only road like that here, I drive 90 minutes to do that a few times a year with the Celica meet.

[bcredeur97]

27 minutes ago, Bitter said:

I dream of an autocross course not only that long but one which my Celica could run without being part of a club or a class or whatever, around here you've got to own a Miata or a Porsche or commit to racing competitively and those 'just here for fun' are looked down upon for messing up the points for the 'real racers'. The road course track days here are like $350+ for just a day of time which is a little too steep for a single day leisure activity for me right now.

 

Oh and that's literally the only road like that here, I drive 90 minutes to do that a few times a year with the Celica meet.

Yeah, I feel you lol. I was actually almost competitive in an 01 corolla tho. Thing just needed RE-71’s and a manual and i probably would of won HS class here half the time. Here people take the grassroots side of it, nothing’s serious and we all have fun and enjoy seeing cars that aren’t meant for it doing it. We even had a guy in a Nissan Versa swap in a MR20DE and put huge R-comps  on it. I co-drove that thing once it was awesome lol

 

Track days are expensive. Not to mention beating literally as hard as you can on the car for a couple hours, destroying tires and brakes in the process too. Very costly hobby.

 

but it’s fun and awesome. And I want to do it too, but like you financial obligation is kinda in the way....  

 

to to do it right need to tow car there on trailer, have car setup for it, all the safety gear etc etc. sooo expensive. Even SCCA track nights aren’t badly priced at around $150 a pop but still more than a $25 autocross fee that’s also fairly minimal wear on the car in comparison

 

I have a good road like 3 hours away from me. That’s all I got here tho. No footage of it unfortunately.  No canyon carving for me I’m afraid

 

i almost bought a Celica over a Miata. Also thought about an MR2 spider lol, the Miata has some trunk space and since you can put the top down I fit in it with a helmet so that’s what I went for lol

[Cereal5]

9 minutes ago, bcredeur97 said:

to to do it right need to tow car there on trailer, have car setup for it, all the safety gear etc etc. sooo expensive.

Trailer a car to autoX? Nah, just adjust the camber plates all the way out for the ride there, and all the way in once you get there. Boom done  That's pretty good pricing though, $150 for a day isn't bad at all. Er... night, whatever the difference is. Though $25... That's the dream.

[bcredeur97]

7 minutes ago, Cereal5 said:

Trailer a car to autoX? Nah, just adjust the camber plates all the way out for the ride there, and all the way in once you get there. Boom done  That's pretty good pricing though, $150 for a day isn't bad at all. Er... night, whatever the difference is. Though $25... That's the dream.

No not trailer for autoX, meant for trackdays. Since in theory the likelihood of breaking the car and towing it home is greatly increased...

[Cereal5]

Just now, bcredeur97 said:

No not trailer for autoX, meant for trackdays. Since in theory the likelihood of breaking the car and towing it home is greatly increased...

Ah gotcha. I would say you're more likely to break when pushing the car to it's limits, but definitely more likely to get plowed into driving down the highway (or any street). Yeah similar dilemma I'm having for building a drift car. Don't have room at my house for it so I'll have to get a space or unit at a facility, and I'm not sure if I want to insure it or not because more money per month. So I'll have to wait to use it until I get a trailer as well. Just what I wanted.

[FuzzyYellow]

33 minutes ago, bcredeur97 said:

Yeah, I feel you lol. I was actually almost competitive in an 01 corolla tho. Thing just needed RE-71’s and a manual and i probably would of won HS class here half the time. Here people take the grassroots side of it, nothing’s serious and we all have fun and enjoy seeing cars that aren’t meant for it doing it. We even had a guy in a Nissan Versa swap in a MR20DE and put huge R-comps  on it. I co-drove that thing once it was awesome lol

 

Track days are expensive. Not to mention beating literally as hard as you can on the car for a couple hours, destroying tires and brakes in the process too. Very costly hobby.

 

but it’s fun and awesome. And I want to do it too, but like you financial obligation is kinda in the way....  

 

to to do it right need to tow car there on trailer, have car setup for it, all the safety gear etc etc. sooo expensive. Even SCCA track nights aren’t badly priced at around $150 a pop but still more than a $25 autocross fee that’s also fairly minimal wear on the car in comparison

 

I have a good road like 3 hours away from me. That’s all I got here tho. No footage of it unfortunately.  No canyon carving for me I’m afraid

 

i almost bought a Celica over a Miata. Also thought about an MR2 spider lol, the Miata has some trunk space and since you can put the top down I fit in it with a helmet so that’s what I went for lol

Man. Something about those celicas makes people almost get one, but end up getting something else instead.

[Bitter]

It's called FWD.

[RevoltTrain]

9 hours ago, TVwazhere said:

 

I love the sidewall on my fronts

[TVwazhere]

5 hours ago, RevoltTrain said:

I love the sidewall on my fronts

You have different front and rear tires?

[FuzzyYellow]

9 hours ago, Bitter said:

It's called FWD.

huh?

[RevoltTrain]

3 hours ago, TVwazhere said:

You have different front and rear tires?

225s in the front that Fuzzy had recommended and then the 215s on the rear that came with the wheels. Still had good tread on them but the front definitely needed some more grip

[PandaCopyRight]

1 hour ago, RevoltTrain said:

225s in the front that Fuzzy had recommended and then the 215s on the rear that came with the wheels. Still had good tread on them but the front definitely needed some more grip

that Saab power  

the tires couldnt handle it 

[iDeFecZx]

12 hours ago, Bitter said:

It's called FWD.

Fun wheel drive

[ELSknutson]

Do you think at  $46,000 that this car is worth the money?  this one has 33k miles and its a 2015

[AlwaysFSX]

23 minutes ago, iDeFecZx said:

Fun Fail wheel drive

 

Just now, ELSknutson said:

Do you think at  $46,000 that this car is worth the money?  this one has 33k miles and its a 2015

Sure, only needs $46,000 for maintenance though.

[ELSknutson]

Just now, AlwaysFSX said:

 

Sure, only needs $46,000 for maintenance though.

What?