EV and more environmentally health future?

[Eduard the weeb]

So recently there has been a really big push for electric cars and the future of them is looking more and more bright, so I was wondering wat up guys think about them, and maybe more ways to help reduce climate change 

 

like making meat harder to make EX pork or beef more expensive then chicken 

or

having higher priority of the national budget spent on helping reduce climate change and making stronger fines for things like littering or other things.

 

 

My own opinion 

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so I really like the idea of cutting out gas to help the environment, but I know there is alot of better ways like getting rid of use once things like coffee cups at coffee shops, plastic bags at X store, takeout containers, and more is really were we should start because that effects the environment alot and if people bought more multiple use thing that replaced those one time things it would help with the fight against climate change alot.

 

another thing I think that should be started is in the increase of more renewable resources 

I think a good idea would be is if in more tropical places they began putting more there in rebuilding, like for EX if there is a hurricane that wipes out alot of power then getting solar panels down would make it so more people would have power and it would be healthier for the environment. 

 

 

 

 

 

[RadiatingLight]

I like electric cars not only because they're greener, but also because they're just flat-out better. the model S P100D is already the fastest-accelerating production vehicle AFAIK, and the roadster 2 looks mind-boggling. plus, electric cars have only had a few years to develop -- imagine where they'll be in 15 years.

[DrMacintosh]

The tradeoff with electric cars is that the batteries are pretty harmful. 

 

Other than that though I'd love for everyone to be driving Tesla model 3s and all electric Camrys.

[c00lFD]

1 minute ago, Eduard the weeb said:

So recently there has been a really big push for electric cars and the future of them is looking more and more bright, so I was wondering wat up guys think about them, and maybe more ways to help reduce climate change. 

 

My own opinion 

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so I really like the idea of cutting out gas to help the environment, but I know there is alot of better ways like getting rid of use once things like coffee cups at coffee shops, plastic bags at X store, takeout containers, and more is really were we should start because that effects the environment alot and if people bought more multiple use thing that replaced those one time things it would help with the fight against climate change alot.

 

another thing I think that should be started is in the increase of more renewable resources 

I think a good idea would be is if in more tropical places they began putting more there in rebuilding, like for EX if there is a hurricane that wipes out alot of power then getting solar panels down would make it so more people would have power and it would be healthier for the environment. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I personally think that it's a great thing, and I'll be getting a tesla soon. Climate change, despite what some may say, is real and is a serious problem, and electric cars will be a head start to making earth better.

[dizmo]

I think they're great, but something you need to consider is that they're going to put a massive strain on a lot of electrical grids. It won't be something that you can just plug in whenever you like, eventually they're going to have to set up certain times for different parts of the city. They also don't perform well in cold climates, so that's something they'll also have to figure out.

 

5 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

The tradeoff with electric cars is that the batteries are pretty harmful. 

 

Other than that though I'd love for everyone to be driving Tesla model 3s and all electric Camrys.

Don't they score quite poorly when it comes to environmental impacts due to production? I seem to remember something about an electric car traveling to 2 or 3 countries before being delivered to the end user. Batteries of course being a huge issue as well, but I just can't see Musk not thinking about that part as well.

[Eduard the weeb]

not sure if I should have maybe posted in Off Topic instead ?

[DrMacintosh]

Just now, dizmo said:

Don't they score quite poorly when it comes to environmental impacts due to production?

Yes, thats a big problem for me but I think eventually if we can get the United States on renewables soon, the tradeoff would balance out (or go into the green) and the environmental damage could be mitigated. 

[Eduard the weeb]

On 1/7/2018 at 11:06 PM, dizmo said:

Don't they score quite poorly when it comes to environmental impacts due to production? I seem to remember something about an electric car traveling to 2 or 3 countries before being delivered to the end user. Batteries of course being a huge issue as well, but I just can't see Musk not thinking about that part as well.

think this video kinda explains it

 

 

feel like you all are mainly focused on cars only so far lol

[Guest]

As we work on better ways to create and store power, I think electric cars will be king. Our current methods of creating and storing energy, in my opinion, would not be able to sustain the growth everyone envisioned for electric cars during that push.  Mind you I am in no way knowledgeable on the subject, just sharing my admittedly limited opinion. Edit: To put it another way, I think electric cars at this stage are a proof of concept, not a roll out of a solution.

[Guest]

Did you edit the post or am I going senile? I only remember reading the part about electric cars.

[Eduard the weeb]

Just now, Legendarypoet said:

Did you edit the post or am I going senile? I only remember reading the part about electric cars.

I did lol I was trying to get people to talk about things other then electric cars lol 

[Guest]

Just now, Eduard the weeb said:

I did lol I was trying to get people to talk about things other then electric cars lol 

Ah. Well at least I'm not going crazy. The other questions seem like a political/ideological time bomb waiting to happen. Going to sit those out.

[Zodiark1593]

While I like electric cars, the fact of the matter is that the battery tech is still the weak point, and potentially the power delivery (from the grid) as well. At the end of the day, we're still moving thousands of pounds of metal from point a to b, often at high rates of speed. A feat that requires multiple Kilowatts (that is, Kwh) per car.

 

Even if we get new battery tech that addresses the technical weak points of electric vs gasoline cars, would the electric infrastructure withstand the energy requirements of a town or city full of electric vehicles? Even at night over a span of 10 hours, charging a city full of cars seems to me to be quite a tall order.

[Guest]

I prefer Diesel. In summer I drive a lot. Diesel is like $1.20 NZD/l ($1 USD/l) for me atm and with convenient places to fill around, I’ll stick with it for a while.

 

When electric cars become available to fill up in the same time as petrol/diesel, I’ll more than likely switch over. 

[Eduard the weeb]

@Zodiark1593 

Wat you said about setting up power for the cars wall difficult won't be impossiable, because in the 100 years sense cars took over the road gas stations have been set up and wall I know a vast infaustructure like that cannot be built over night it still can be built. And also know we are beginning to see alot more charging stations for cars likes teslas so I think that were electric is becoming the norm ( Denmark I believe ) will be a testing ground on how to do they.

[InertiaSelling]

As much as I'd like electric cars to be a panacea, they're clearly not. In addition to the environmental cost for building them, there is a cost for producing electricity. Nuclear power plants are a disaster waiting to happen, because throughout the world, their service life has been extended way beyond their intended lifespan. Not to mention the fact that uranium is not exactly renewable, and is often extracted on the cheap by unprotected workers that live under the yoke of oppressive governments or local warlords. As for coal and oil plants, they're quite obviously not a solution. When it comes to actual renewable energy, there are a number of issues as well, because it requires to build solar panels or wind turbines, for example, which tends to make the overall process more polluting than nuclear plants. Also, focusing on cars overlooks the fact that a huge part of hydrocarbon pollution comes from ships that we use to exchange goods between countries, and planes as well. And things will get even worse as emerging countries keep catching up on our way of life. So technological advances are great and necessary, but they probably won't be drastic enough to reverse the ongoing destruction of the environment, if we refuse to give up some of our comfort, at least momentarily, in the form of product variety, travel range, and so on. Honestly, I don't see how this could happen. A government that would make such decisions would be extremely unpopular, because nobody likes to lose what they take for granted, and they would put their country at a huge economic disadvantage. As long as international relationships solely rely on competition, we will struggle to enforce a sustainable model of production and consumption.

[leodaniel]

Clearly EVs are the way to go. They provide a chance to be greener in the future.

As stated by many, today an EV is not better (ecologically) at time buying. BUT it gets better compared to an Gasoline one with EVERY km driven. Depending on your electricity mix, the required kms vary a lot. In average an EV will produce around 90 Gramm CO2 per KM over its whole lifespan (with the average EU electricity mix). This is a saving of 55% compared to the average diesel car.

I think there is a lot of misconception about the true impact, or stress EVs will cause on the electric grid. It's not that from one day to the other, all cars will be electric. It's more like a slow revolution (it's like when gasoline cars first came up, there wasn't an infrastructure of gaz stations already available). And of course the grid is more than capable of handling a lot more EVs in it's current state. Also it's worth mentioning that a lot of EVs are charged when demand is low because of the cheap energy. But of course it needs improvements in the future tho (--> smart grid).

Also, EVs won't resolve climate warming, but they at least play a role in doing so. But it should not be forgotten, that moving a car will always cost energy, no matter what.

So yes, EVs play a role, but we need (as a society) to take steps, which will hurt us to reduce climate change (ex. eating less meat, consuming less energy, less flying, ...).

 

Source about EVs: https://www.transportenvironment.org/publications/electric-vehicle-life-cycle-analysis-and-raw-material-availability

[captain_to_fire]

I won't even consider driving an EV unless they get rid of Lithium ion batteries and replace them with something else that:

• charges faster 
• doesn't overheat that much during charging
• can pack more cells on the same form factor
• can last at least 500 miles on a single charge

The closest to mainstream at the moment is graphene based batteries. With the application of nanotechnology, manufacturers can cram in more battery on the same form factor. Unlike lithium ion batteries that charges slowly by charging one cell at a time, graphene batteries charges each cell all at the same time. 

[GoldenLag]

4 hours ago, InertiaSelling said:

Nuclear power plants are a disaster waiting to happen, because throughout the world, their service life has been extended way beyond their intended lifespan. Not to mention the fact that uranium is not exactly renewable, and is often extracted on the cheap by unprotected workers that live under the yoke of oppressive governments or local warlords....  

Nuclear power is a reasonable stopgap to achieve greener energy in some areas. Thorium reactors mitigate some of the issues with Uranium, but there are few tl none thorium reactors around the world. The waste from thorium has a much shorter halflife and will be safer in a shorter amount of time. Most reactors these days are Uranium salt water reactors. The change to thorium would take a lot of time and the interest of a lot of countries to change. Its more likely we will skip to better solution than this rather than this stop gap.

 

 

Edit: we would also need tl produce fuel in Thorium rich countries like India and Norway which is an issue of its own. Due to shipping

Edited January 8, 2018 by GoldenLag
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[Syntaxvgm]

They cure blindness

 

 

 

by naturally selecting blind people who cannot hear them. 

[Drak3]

EVs are not viable to replace every vehicle out there, not are they really as green as people believe. To be quite frank, bikes would be a much better option for most short range transport, and autocycles for longer range and snowy/icy winters.

 

10 hours ago, RadiatingLight said:

the model S P100D is already the fastest-accelerating production vehicle AFAIK

No, it's not. It achieves the same 0-60 as something like a Nissan GTR.

 

10 hours ago, RadiatingLight said:

plus, electric cars have only had a few years to develop -- imagine where they'll be in 15 years.

Electric cars have been around for roughly 100 years. Not much has changed about them.

[Silentprototipe]

Would want one but not very environmentally friendly either so ehh 

[Eduard the weeb]

Yeah I think that they need to have some way to charge your car for like 500 miles in 5-10 mins for it to be concerned as a car that could actually be practical because unlike truckers people don't take 30 min break normally during road trips

[TheCherryKing]

Electric cars will never go mainstream.

[arnavvr]

@bcredeur97 @AlwaysFSX @terrytek @techswede (Tagging the car thread peeps) They actually aren't better for the environment, the batteries are pretty harmful.