Posted January 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, arnavvr said: @terrytek :'D . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 9, 2018 I mean I feel like with the way things are going in society, cars are less looked at as an investment and more of say a gadget like a smartphone. I guess people want to spend as little money as possible maintaining a car, and I see that, but I mean there are some people who can't seem to afford electric cars. I am personally against electric cars, which is kinda obvious since I am quite a gearhead, and I like to work on my cars and be one with the car, but really we can't stop what we've done for cars. If cars go electric, sure, but at least have something to offer for enthusiats, like something like carbon neutral fuel, a few cars with manual transmissions still, and so forth. /2cents "If it has tits or tires, at some point you will have problems with it." -@vinyldash303 this is probably the only place i'll hang out anymore: http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/274320-the-long-awaited-car-thread/ Current Rig: Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600, Abit IN9-32MAX nForce 680i board, Galaxy GT610 1GB DDR3 gpu, Cooler Master Mystique 632S Full ATX case, 1 2TB Seagate Barracuda SATA and 1x200gb Maxtor SATA drives, 1 LG SATA DVD drive, Windows 10. All currently runs like shit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 9, 2018 4 minutes ago, AlwaysFSX said: :'D lol Main Gaming PC (new): HP Omen 30L || i9 10850K || RTX 3070 || 512GB WD Blue NVME || 2TB HDD, 4TB HDD, 8TB HDD || 750W P2 || 16GB HyperX Black DDR4 Main Gaming PC (old, still own) : Intel Core i7 7700K @5.0Ghz || GPU: GTX 1080 Seahawk EK X || Motherboard: Maximus VIII Impact || Case: Fractal Design Define Nano S || RAM : 32GB Corsair Vengeance LPX Cooling: EK XRES D5 100mm || Alphacool ST30 280mm w/ Vardars || Alphacool ST30 240mm w/ Vardars || Swiftech 3/8 x 1/2'' Lok-Seal Compressions || Swiftech EVGA Hydrocopper Block || Primochill Advanced LRT Orange || Distilled Water Folding@Home Rig: 2x X5690s @4.6Ghz || GPUs: 2x Radeon HD 7990 || Motherboard: EVGA SR-2 || Case: Corsair 900D || RAM: 48GB Corsair Dominator GT 2000Mhz CL9 Ethereum Mining Rig: Pentium G4400 || Gigabyte Z170X-UD5 TH || 2x GTX 1060s (Samsung & Hynix) 1x GTX 1070 (Micron), 2x RX480s BIOS modded (Samsung), 1x R9 290X 8GB, 1x GTX 1660 Super = ~ 195 Mh/s Peripherals: 3x U2412M (5760x1200), 1x U3011 (2560x1600) || Logitech G710 (Cherry Blues) || Logitech G600 || Brainwavz HM5 with @Gofspar Mod Laptop: Dell XPS 15 || "Infinity Edge" 4K IPS Screen || i7 7700HQ || GTX 1050 || 16GB 2400Mhz RAM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 9, 2018 24 minutes ago, arnavvr said: @bcredeur97 @AlwaysFSX @terrytek @techswede (Tagging the car thread peeps) They actually aren't better for the environment, the batteries are pretty harmful. not yet... They are working pretty hard on that though. And I want to say it's gotten better but im not sure... no one is really talking about it. Most of the world's electricity is still coming from coal and oil. Until it's mostly renewable it's not worth it... because the process that uses oil and coal if I had to guess will likely put the same amount into the air as cars do now. The thing that interests me about electric cars is the instant torque and just how quick you can make a car for not much money. The weight is what kills it for me though. No point in having an electric miata if it weighs 4,000 pounds. just won't be the same... "If a Lobster is a fish because it moves by jumping, then a kangaroo is a bird" - Admiral Paulo de Castro Moreira da Silva "There is nothing more difficult than fixing something that isn't all the way broken yet." - Author Unknown Spoiler Intel Core i7-3960X @ 4.6 GHz - Asus P9X79WS/IPMI - 12GB DDR3-1600 quad-channel - EVGA GTX 1080ti SC - Fractal Design Define R5 - 500GB Crucial MX200 - NH-D15 - Logitech G710+ - Mionix Naos 7000 - Sennheiser PC350 w/Topping VX-1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 9, 2018 Couldn't give a shit, I'll hopefully never have to suffer one. Moving pollution out of the cities is a good thing, I'd rather breathe clean air than diesel fumes, but it's not like electric cars don't emit brake dust which is also extremely bad for you. On a global scale the pollution of cars is completely irrelevant. http://www.industrytap.com/worlds-15-biggest-ships-create-more-pollution-than-all-the-cars-in-the-world/8182 Eco/safety bullshit has already ruined the industry enough, every car these days is a two metre wide, 2000KG, turbo automatic 4-cylinder. It'll be even worse when every car is a soulless electric dishwasher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 9, 2018 1 hour ago, terrytek said: I mean I feel like with the way things are going in society, cars are less looked at as an investment and more of say a gadget like a smartphone. I guess people want to spend as little money as possible maintaining a car, and I see that, but I mean there are some people who can't seem to afford electric cars. I am personally against electric cars, which is kinda obvious since I am quite a gearhead, and I like to work on my cars and be one with the car, but really we can't stop what we've done for cars. If cars go electric, sure, but at least have something to offer for enthusiats, like something like carbon neutral fuel, a few cars with manual transmissions still, and so forth. /2cents Just imagine the easy hot-rodding possibilities. Merely increasing the volts from the power source will make you go faster. Massive instant torque + RWD = ??? My eyes see the past… My camera lens sees the present… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, Zodiark1593 said: Just imagine the easy hot-rodding possibilities. Merely increasing the volts from the power source will make you go faster. Massive instant torque + RWD = ??? I mean electric cars effectively kill the manual transmission, and I think that's the part that can make any car fun, even a 50hp base model dumpbox. Sure, you can make more power by just upping the volts, but what's the fun in that if you can't effectively control it? "If it has tits or tires, at some point you will have problems with it." -@vinyldash303 this is probably the only place i'll hang out anymore: http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/274320-the-long-awaited-car-thread/ Current Rig: Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600, Abit IN9-32MAX nForce 680i board, Galaxy GT610 1GB DDR3 gpu, Cooler Master Mystique 632S Full ATX case, 1 2TB Seagate Barracuda SATA and 1x200gb Maxtor SATA drives, 1 LG SATA DVD drive, Windows 10. All currently runs like shit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 9, 2018 I love the hypocrisy of most electric car people. They go on and on with how amazing electric cars are for the planet, but they never acknowledge how the electricity that they need is made. Cause in reality the electric car is by leaps and bounds more harmful to the planet than petrol ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, terrytek said: I mean electric cars effectively kill the manual transmission, and I think that's the part that can make any car fun, even a 50hp base model dumpbox. Sure, you can make more power by just upping the volts, but what's the fun in that if you can't effectively control it? Well, the motors are capable of literally killing most manual transmissions anyway. Even Tesla had issues with their 2-speed gearbox with their first roadster concerning the motor shredding the internals of the transmission. My eyes see the past… My camera lens sees the present… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 9, 2018 9 minutes ago, Zodiark1593 said: Just imagine the easy hot-rodding possibilities. Merely increasing the volts from the power source will make you go faster. Massive instant torque + RWD = ??? Speed isn't everything. No sound + no gears + no interesting power delivery curve = zzz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 9, 2018 10 minutes ago, terrytek said: I mean electric cars effectively kill the manual transmission, and I think that's the part that can make any car fun, even a 50hp base model dumpbox. Sure, you can make more power by just upping the volts, but what's the fun in that if you can't effectively control it? Honestly manual transmission should've been killed decades ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 9, 2018 3 minutes ago, NvidiaIntelAMDLoveTriangle said: Honestly manual transmission should've been killed decades ago. Yeah fuck no. They're fun, and they make driving fun. 8 minutes ago, Cookybiscuit said: Speed isn't everything. No sound + no gears + no interesting power delivery curve = zzz Literally electric cars are more dangerous to me bc I feel like they could put me to sleep with a lack of any oomph. "If it has tits or tires, at some point you will have problems with it." -@vinyldash303 this is probably the only place i'll hang out anymore: http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/274320-the-long-awaited-car-thread/ Current Rig: Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600, Abit IN9-32MAX nForce 680i board, Galaxy GT610 1GB DDR3 gpu, Cooler Master Mystique 632S Full ATX case, 1 2TB Seagate Barracuda SATA and 1x200gb Maxtor SATA drives, 1 LG SATA DVD drive, Windows 10. All currently runs like shit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, NvidiaIntelAMDLoveTriangle said: Honestly manual transmission should've been killed decades ago. I daily drive one. My transmission needs no computer but myself. Automatics are not good at reading my mind, especially applicable during my mountainous commute. Besides the DCT, I can downshift faster than most automatics I've used. And for some reason, economy cars with manual transmissions have different (usually shorter) gear ratios than does the more economy-minded automatic-equipped brethren. Right tool for the job and all. My eyes see the past… My camera lens sees the present… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, terrytek said: They're fun tedious, and they make driving fun tedious Fixed that. Come Bloody Angel Break off your chains And look what I've found in the dirt. Pale battered body Seems she was struggling Something is wrong with this world. Fierce Bloody Angel The blood is on your hands Why did you come to this world? Everybody turns to dust. Everybody turns to dust. The blood is on your hands. The blood is on your hands! Pyo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 9, 2018 8 minutes ago, Drak3 said: Fixed that. Bah, you're just a boring person in general. If you find alternate routes, you can make any commute fun with a manual. "If it has tits or tires, at some point you will have problems with it." -@vinyldash303 this is probably the only place i'll hang out anymore: http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/274320-the-long-awaited-car-thread/ Current Rig: Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600, Abit IN9-32MAX nForce 680i board, Galaxy GT610 1GB DDR3 gpu, Cooler Master Mystique 632S Full ATX case, 1 2TB Seagate Barracuda SATA and 1x200gb Maxtor SATA drives, 1 LG SATA DVD drive, Windows 10. All currently runs like shit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 9, 2018 Just now, terrytek said: Bah, you're just a boring person in general. If you find alternate routes, you can make any commute fun with a manual. No, manual trannies are now just antiques that can't hold a candle to an auto-x tranny in any regard. They're dated pieces of shit, and extremely tedious. A Cummins 6.7 with an auto6. That's a fun truck right there. Easy to manipulate it into shifting when you want to, with or without manual control, and a lot more responsive than a guy needing a stick in his hand when it comes time to pass someone on the highway. Come Bloody Angel Break off your chains And look what I've found in the dirt. Pale battered body Seems she was struggling Something is wrong with this world. Fierce Bloody Angel The blood is on your hands Why did you come to this world? Everybody turns to dust. Everybody turns to dust. The blood is on your hands. The blood is on your hands! Pyo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 9, 2018 5 minutes ago, Drak3 said: No, manual trannies are now just antiques that can't hold a candle to an auto-x tranny in any regard. They're dated pieces of shit, and extremely tedious. A Cummins 6.7 with an auto6. That's a fun truck right there. Easy to manipulate it into shifting when you want to, with or without manual control, and a lot more responsive than a guy needing a stick in his hand when it comes time to pass someone on the highway. 8 minutes ago, terrytek said: Bah, you're just a boring person in general. If you find alternate routes, you can make any commute fun with a manual. No need for a fight. We have choices available, so pick what you like and enjoy. My eyes see the past… My camera lens sees the present… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 9, 2018 Just now, Zodiark1593 said: We have choices available, so pick what you like and enjoy. Kind of hard to when I'm stuck behind a stick shift. Come Bloody Angel Break off your chains And look what I've found in the dirt. Pale battered body Seems she was struggling Something is wrong with this world. Fierce Bloody Angel The blood is on your hands Why did you come to this world? Everybody turns to dust. Everybody turns to dust. The blood is on your hands. The blood is on your hands! Pyo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 9, 2018 Just now, vinyldash303 said: This might just be the most ignorant thing you've ever said. No, not yet. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 9, 2018 On 1/7/2018 at 9:58 PM, RadiatingLight said: I like electric cars not only because they're greener Actually, electric cars are not greener because it still takes polluted energy to make said vehicle and the toxins from the battery are an enviromental risk, battery end of life is the coined terminology. Its a good marketing gimmick though, and people fall for it all the time. The one thing I dont like about ev's are the limited range. I am spotaneous and sometimes like to cruise around, and dont want to have range anxiety. On the bonus side of EV's its instant power, there is no power curve. So from zero point one rpm you get full power, unlike a i.c.e. where you have to get the motor up in rpm. Electric cars and motorbikes beat gas powered vehicles all the time in drag races, because like I said its instant torque, instant power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 9, 2018 1 minute ago, Drak3 said: Kind of hard to when I'm stuck behind a stick shift. If the driver actually knows how to drive a manual, the drivers behind should be none the wiser, even on a steep hill. Likewise, I dislike the stereotypical driving with a hand on the shifter all the time. My grandma loves doing this. A brief hand swipe is all that's needed, before putting it back on the wheel. My eyes see the past… My camera lens sees the present… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 9, 2018 22 minutes ago, terrytek said: Yeah fuck no. They're fun, and they make driving fun. No they're not. 20 minutes ago, Zodiark1593 said: I daily drive one. My transmission needs no computer but myself. Automatics are not good at reading my mind, especially applicable during my mountainous commute. Besides the DCT, I can downshift faster than most automatics I've used. And for some reason, economy cars with manual transmissions have different (usually shorter) gear ratios than does the more economy-minded automatic-equipped brethren. Right tool for the job and all. I see that you're from America, so I presume you drove American cars, if so then I agree with you simply because the Americans cannot build cars. If not, then you're still clinging to the old mentality of those who think that real drivers are only those who drive with a manual gearbox. Manual gearboxes have absolutely no advantages over automatic ones, unless the automatic is poorly made which in some cars it is. The only reason they still exist is because they're cheap to produce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, NvidiaIntelAMDLoveTriangle said: I see that you're from America, so I presume you drove American cars, if so then I agree with you simply because the Americans cannot build cars. And you were doing so well.. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 9, 2018 1 minute ago, NvidiaIntelAMDLoveTriangle said: Americans cannot build cars That is one of the most idiotic things I've read all week. 2 minutes ago, NvidiaIntelAMDLoveTriangle said: Manual gearboxes have absolutely no advantages over automatic ones For towing, a manual is superior to a strict automatic. 5 minutes ago, Zodiark1593 said: If the driver actually knows how to drive a manual, the drivers behind should be none the wiser, even on a steep hill. No, it's abundantly clear if you're as impatient with other drivers as I am. Come Bloody Angel Break off your chains And look what I've found in the dirt. Pale battered body Seems she was struggling Something is wrong with this world. Fierce Bloody Angel The blood is on your hands Why did you come to this world? Everybody turns to dust. Everybody turns to dust. The blood is on your hands. The blood is on your hands! Pyo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 9, 2018 Just now, NvidiaIntelAMDLoveTriangle said: No they're not. I see that you're from America, so I presume you drove American cars, if so then I agree with you simply because the Americans cannot build cars. If not, then you're still clinging to the old mentality of those who think that real drivers are only those who drive with a manual gearbox. Manual gearboxes have absolutely no advantages over automatic ones, unless the automatic is poorly made which in some cars it is. The only reason they still exist is because they're cheap to produce. Japanese econoboxes as well as some American cars, and a Volvo. For your third point, while not necessarily an advantage for the manual transmission, the gearing ratios of many economy cars differ between the manual and automatic cars. In the case of my Mazda, the gearing ratios are shorter than in the automatic, allowing for more torque (at the wheels) at the trade-off of fuel economy. I drive mountainous roads for my commute, so for a low powered car, the shorter ratios proved to be an objective advantage beyond sheer preference. Also, I take offense to the sentiment I bolded. I choose what I like and prefer. I do not care at all about what other people choose to drive, nor do I desire to push others to buy a manual transmission. My eyes see the past… My camera lens sees the present… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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