Nvidia Announces Titan V (Volta!)

[mikat]

5 hours ago, RorzNZ said:

Can't wait for the Titan Vp to come out next year.

Titan V.V 

[Nicnac]

Idk.. gaming cards becoming professional cards makes about as much sense as professional cards becoming gaming cards...

[TheRandomness]

Meanwhile we know from the GV100 that Volta doesn’t actually have too much of an IPC gain, meaning all the performance increases are from the shader count increase. 

[leadeater]

4 hours ago, Dylanc1500 said:

? I said it first....

yes im salty lol.

 

Honestly, I saw this coming. This isn't like every other Titan previously.

1/2 FP64 too, very much not like the last Titan with 1/32 FP64. I'm actually surprised they kept the Tensor cores for this product, I guess it's due to the V100 PCIe only being passively cooled and people need a development workstation option, good to see the Titan actually filling the role of the market segment Nvidia was claiming it was for.

[AlTech]

3 hours ago, TheRandomness said:

Meanwhile we know from the GV100 that Volta doesn’t actually have too much of an IPC gain, meaning all the performance increases are from the shader count increase. 

Not necessarily.

 

There's no IPC gain in the Shader Cores. But the Tensor Cores is where the the alleged 110 TF number comes from. The Tensor Cores are a hell of a lot faster at Deep AI Learning than regular cores.

 

Also lol, Nvidia updated their website to say "Latest Gaming Technologies" for the GTX 1000 series GPUs.

 

Which is Nvidia saying to our faces that Volta is not for gamers.

[TheRandomness]

1 minute ago, AluminiumTech said:

Not necessarily.

 

There's no IPC gain in the Shader Cores. But the Tensor Cores is where the the alleged 110 TF number comes from. The Tensor Cores are a hell of a lot faster at Deep AI Learning than regular cores.

But are they going to help with gaming performance? The games are going to need to be coded to use what a tensor core can do (something about multiplying two large-bit matrices and then adding another)

[AlTech]

Just now, TheRandomness said:

But are they going to help with gaming performance? The games are going to need to be coded to use what a tensor core can do (something about multiplying two large-bit matrices and then adding another)

Tensor cores aren't meant for gaming. Also see above.

[mr moose]

Is this the first Titan that isn't advertised as a gaming card on it's own landing page?  Now people can start arguing it is not a gaming card.

 

 

31 minutes ago, Nicnac said:

Idk.. gaming cards becoming professional cards makes about as much sense as professional cards becoming gaming cards...

 

Why?

[leadeater]

2 hours ago, CapitalistVN said:

In the specs sheet, I don't see any Render Output Units (ROPs). Without it, this thing basically can't game. This thing is for AI and all of that/

 

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Moving on and diving into the numbers, Titan V features 80 streaming multiprocessors (SMs) and 5120 CUDA cores, the same amount as its Tesla V100 siblings. The differences come with the memory and ROPs. In what's clearly a salvage part for NVIDIA, one of the card's 4 memory partitions has been cut, leaving Titan V with 12GB of HBM2 attached via a 3072-bit memory bus. As each memory controller is associated with a ROP partition and 768 KB of L2 cache, this in turn brings L2 down to 4.5 MB, as well as cutting down the ROP count.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/12135/nvidia-announces-nvidia-titan-v-video-card-gv100-for-3000-dollars

[TheRandomness]

2 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

Tensor cores aren't meant for gaming. Also see above.

Therefore, it’s going to be and ok gaming card in terms of hella good performance, but the performance increase would only be from the increase in shaders. 

[AlTech]

Just now, TheRandomness said:

Therefore, it’s going to be and ok gaming card in terms of hella good performance, but the performance increase would only be from the increase in shaders. 

For gaming, yes any performance increases would be from the higher core count.

Deep AI Learning perf improvement is from the Tensor Cores.

[Thony]

Every single new gen Titan will be the “most powerful GPU ever created” ...

 

im tired of this statement in any new gen tech

 

HBM2 memory... already starting at $3K will only increase when the stock gets short.

[Master Disaster]

2 hours ago, Dolt said:

Can you explain your thought on this? Obviously there is huge RnD that goes into each of these architectures so you want to strike a balance between maximizing each generations profitability and releasing a new product to as often as folks are ready to upgrade. But I imagine they have done this math.

 

How does the iphone R&D cost of apple who do yearly releases compare to an nvidia gpu and are their more frequent releases a result of simply better ratio in terms of R&D to profit margins or is it simply because new phones are easier to pump out and that market is more accepting of that higher upgrade frequency?

Sure. NVIDIA have been selling Volta already for months, big server farms doing machine learning stuff have been hands on with Volta since at least spring.

 

As I'm sure you know the cost of these machine learning cards is phenomenal, like $3K for the Titan V is chump change, some of the machine learning stuff costs 5 figures.

 

Moving on to mainstream retail, NVIDIA have the current fastest card in existence already, the Titan XP.

 

Basic business says that if you already have the fastest thing on the market then you don't go replacing it with something even faster until your competition catches you (or as is the case with Vega even gets into the same league as you). All Nvidia has done is devalued Volta ($10K+ for the machine learning parts to $3K for the retail part), devalued Titan XP (as no one is going to buy it at full price when it's been replaced) and caused a situation where they're competing against themselves.

 

Will NVIDIA move more stock in the retail sector? At $3K a pop I'm not actually sure they will move much more than they did in the machine learning sector and remember each unit is up to 3x cheaper at retail than in the business sector.

 

NVIDIA has nothing to gain from releasing Volta right now, I legitimately can't see an upside for them. They could very easily have sat on Volta for another 12 months, kept on raking in the machine learning money and consumers wanting the fastest thing available would still be buying Titan XP anyway.

 

Still I'm not suggesting I know their industry better than they do, I'm sure they have their reasons, I just don't understand what those reasons are.

[Nicnac]

37 minutes ago, mr moose said:

Is this the first Titan that isn't advertised as a gaming card on it's own landing page?  Now people can start arguing it is not a gaming card.

 

 

 

Why?

I mean professional cards are there to provide e.g. researchers with most accurate data and as few errors as possible  which, including all the certification that goes into it, is reflected in a higher retail price. Gaming cards on the other hand are made cheaper which, consequently results in less accurate data sometimes (e.g. artifacting under high load etc.) which is widely accepted since gaming is not mission-critical data and stuff like that often even goes unnoticed.

While I applaud their idea to make an entry-level AI-card for researchers, I think it would be better to have it located in the professional lineup of cards rather than at the top of the gaming-grade cards. On the other hand the titans have always been on the border of casual/professional use and the Titan XP started already going into the ML direction so this is probably the logical next step. I think after all the V100 just didn't give much in gaming performance and since they are already top-tier nvidia probably focused on what makes them most money and that is gonna be gpu acceleration in ai computing (at least long-term) so it was probably easier to brand the titan this way than to try and squeeze gaming performance form an architecture that is primarily built for computing. 

And I think that's really what bothers me about it. They didn't focus on gaming in their latest top gaming card.

[N0rm]

8 minutes ago, VegetableStu said:

Sorry, can I derail this topic for a few:

 

 

DAMMIT WRITERS. EVEN THE WIKI YOU LINKED TO SAYS:

 

SO WHICH ARE THE NUMBERS SUPPOSED TO REPRESENT GRAAAAAAAGH

 

okay back on topic

Since chips don't have moving parts, make noise or emit light, thermal power is equivalent to power draw.

[ravenshrike]

10 minutes ago, N0rm said:

Since chips don't have moving parts, make noise or emit light, thermal power is equivalent to power draw.

No, just...no. TDP is the amount of heat energy that needs to be dissipated under certain* load conditions which is always less than power draw by whatever the efficiency of the chip is.

 

*As specified by the manufacturer.

17 minutes ago, Nicnac said:

 They didn't focus on gaming in their latest top gaming card.

In reality they're getting back to the Titan as being a Prosumer card. It originally wasn't marketed to gamers at all.

[Nicnac]

8 minutes ago, ravenshrike said:

No, just...no. TDP is the amount of heat energy that needs to be dissipated under certain* load conditions which is always less than power draw by whatever the efficiency of the chip is.

 

*As specified by the manufacturer.

In reality they're getting back to the Titan as being a Prosumer card. It originally wasn't marketed to gamers at all.

I never really got the term "Prosumer" 

is it when you have too much money for what you are trying to do?

[Valentyn]

I actually would have bought it the second it hit the store front if it was the same price as the Xp.

 

€3000 is just too much.

 

[Valentyn]

18 minutes ago, VegetableStu said:

would you have been using it for the FP64 or FP16? ._.

because I consider that to be closer to specialised workstation cards at this point. In which I agree with the price and my wallet.

I rarely upgrade so usually just want the

best I can get when I need to upgrade. Throw in big number crunching for passwords and data security, some engineering and solid works projects as  well, and it’ll certainly be used for more than gaiming.

 

The Titan cards were always nice prosumer cards and had a somewhat decent price tag. This is more Telsa and Quadro than Titan it seems. I wonder how it’s professional drivers will compared to those cards though.

 

As it stands looks like I’m waiting even longer for an upgrade 

[Matu20]

Are you really surprised about the price? This is what monopoly looks like. If AMD fails then this is the new reality for all cards and CPUs.

[cluelessgenius]

i bet they wanted to use this naming scheme with pascal too but thought people wouldnt take titan p(ee) seriously

[Princess Luna]

5 hours ago, KyberKylo77 said:

*@Princess Cadence* cough cough...

lol... I am not wrong one bit this card performs identically to a 1080 Ti for gaming and CUDA Acceleration, as I already said Volta is an enterprise solution for specific workloads that will benefit from the Tensor Cores which is not the case of EVERY ONE who has replied to this thread already.

 

Why do you think no GTX 2080 and 2070 were announced? why is this not market as consumers card? because again the next mainstream cards are Ampere for 2019, this TITAN one is like a Telsa/Quadro built for a specific usage that is not what you a mere gamer needs.

 

To every one else: this card is a 1080 Ti with Tensor Cores for Specific Enterprise Solutions STOP thinking it'll be any ground breaking into gaming, furthermore it is completely unrelated to the Ampere GTX 2070 and GTX 2080.

[porina]

17 minutes ago, Matu20 said:

Are you really surprised about the price? This is what monopoly looks like. If AMD fails then this is the new reality for all cards and CPUs.

This card does offer vastly increased performance in specific areas. For FP64 you get 18x the performance of the Xp, for only 2.3x cost. Bargain. If you only want a consumer level gaming card, this is not the product you're looking for.

 

AMD also seems to have given up on FP64 performance. Only Intel and Nvidia are doing much at all.

[Matu20]

1 minute ago, porina said:

This card does offer vastly increased performance in specific areas. For FP64 you get 18x the performance of the Xp, for only 2.3x cost. Bargain. If you only want a consumer level gaming card, this is not the product you're looking for.

 

AMD also seems to have given up on FP64 performance. Only Intel and Nvidia are doing much at all.

Yep, the card is a beast.

[jasonvp]

8 hours ago, Dylanc1500 said:

For all of those that care, look close at the "SLI" fingers. They are gone and have been replaced with the NVlink bridge like the Quadro P100 has.

Except, no, it won't be supporting NVLink.  Nor SLI.

 

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/nvidia-titan-v-will-not-support-nvlink-and-does-not-support-sli.html

 

NVidia cleared that up.  You can have multiple cards in your rig, but no hardware link between them, apparently.