Win7 and 8.1 to get cumulative updates – you no longer control your Win7 or 8.1 machine

[MSWindowsinside]

44 minutes ago, Delicieuxz said:

You sure about that? Updating was what caused my PC to become infected with ads, and spyware, making me vulnerable to having my data taken, and is what caused me to lose control over my app settings, and it also locked me out of various basic OS controls. The only way to get rid of all the problems was with a clean installation of Windows 7 pre-Aug 2015.

You might want to blame that on yourself, not Microsoft.

[jagdtigger]

15 minutes ago, MSWindowsinside said:

I'm also not even going to read the rest of the comments here. You guys are kinda weird, why do you guys make a positive thing into a negative thing just because you don't like Microsoft?? This is a perfect solution to the slow Windows Update that's bugging people who use older versions of Windows. A shame that people have to put on a tinfoil hat for everything that a big company does.

Of course not, we jost do not like that MS hides PUP in their updates(telemetry, GWX, and who knows what). And since its cumulative there is no way to dodge the bullet...

[Delicieuxz]

28 minutes ago, MSWindowsinside said:

This is a good thing, although a better solution would be to ditch those old OS' entirely and go for Windows 10.

Windows 10 is firstly a data-leech and ad platform, not an OS.

 

20 minutes ago, MSWindowsinside said:

You might want to blame that on yourself, not Microsoft.

But Microsoft made the program that did all those things to my PC. And I would take responsibility for installing Windows 10, if I had actually installed it. Instead, it infected my Windows 7 installation and changed the Windows Update settings to download and install the Windows 10 upgrade (despite that I had automatic updates disabled). So, that's on Microsoft. But, I did do a clean installation of Win 10 afterwards.

[KrumpetPirate]

I, like many in this thread, only run Windows for games. I truly wish that Linux will get better for gaming, but it is not the priority for developers (game or Linux), nor the average user. Most people don't care about this stuff guys. Most people don't worry about security or privacy or care enough to figure out how their OS is screwing them.

 

Maybe Vulkan API will draw some big names to Linux. Maybe AMD will stop sucking at drivers and I can move to Linux full time...

[goodtofufriday]

Unless they are installing software or taking away features what exactly is the issue here 

[patrickjp93]

16 hours ago, suicidalfranco said:

And if you do it, here's a nice and friendly manual for everything linux related

https://linuxjourney.com

 

Holy shit I didn't even know about this. This is probably the most useful URL I will find this month. Thank you so much!

[suicidalfranco]

1 minute ago, patrickjp93 said:

Holy shit I didn't even know about this. This is probably the most useful URL I will find this month. Thank you so much!

no problem, just sharing what helped me in the first place

[SpaceGhostC2C]

17 hours ago, jagdtigger said:

SOURCE:

https://www.askwoody.com/2016/win7-and-8-1-to-get-cumulative-updates

 

In other words MS wont tell us a thing about what is in a specific update and we wont have a choice what we install. Its all or nothing... Most of my toughts right now wouldnt pass the profanity filter but i try and moderate myself.  Call me a paranoid, tinfoil hatter or whatever but i dont like this. MS has something in mind and its not a good thing(not for us at least)...

MS have recently spammed me with different surveys about Windows 10 adoption, have I done it, why not, etc.

 

So my guess is: they are taking everything we don't like about Windows 10 and they just don't want to remove, and exporting it to older windows versions until they lose all their advantages over 10. I mean, they won't make a Win 10 version that respects privacy or let's you in full control of your PC (just like Google or Apple won't, it's just the nature of the business these days), but if they can take privacy and full control away from Win 7 users, what would be our reason not to migrate?

[Devin92]

16 hours ago, Energycore said:

There are distros that are easier to use than Windows. It's the magic of an open source kernel.

But if its open source kernel, doesn't it mean ANYONE can tweak it and make it spyware? I am not very familiar with Linus, only used it with one of my projects, so correct me if I am wrong. Or because its open source, developers tend to not do the spying shit, so ppl trust them and they gain market trust?

 

[shermantanker]

I am guess this is because win 7/8.1 are moving into their final support stages, and this is just a streamlined way for them to deliver updates.

[Energycore]

Just now, Devin92 said:

But if its open source kernel, doesn't it mean ANYONE can tweak it and make it spyware? I am not very familiar with Linus, only used it with one of my projects, so correct me if I am wrong. Or because its open source, developers tend to not do the spying shit, so ppl trust them and they gain market trust?

 

It does, but just like you can trust say, Apple, to not turn OSX into spyware, many distros are made by people who have been trustworthy throughout the years, and if a distro has spyware in it, you have the option of both calling the dev out, and turning to a different distro. This is not the case on, say Apple's walled garden environment, or on Windows if things continue down the same path.

[SpaceGhostC2C]

18 hours ago, kirashi said:

While I can't imagine users would be too pleased with forced installs of software they don't intend to use (I'm looking at you, 3D Builder app), I do have to congratulate Microsoft on the possibility of forcing Windows 7 users to actually install the important updates. As a computer technician, nothing is more frustrating than going to a clients house only to find out they "know they should be doing updates but <insert excuse for not installing them here>."

The problem is that you forget they are your clients, not users in the network you are sysadmin and overlord of. It is their right to choose what, how, and when to do something on their computers, it is their right to run "I_am_a_virus.exe" because it came as an attachment in the email of some wealthy African warlord with an interesting business proposition. It is their right to screw up their systems and, you know what? As a technician you get to make a living out of their screwups. 

 

I don't want to hear a doctor telling me that he's happy about apparel companies being able to force me to wear scarves, because he's frustrated about treating my colds, which he's charging me for.

[Energycore]

2 minutes ago, shermantanker said:

I am guess this is because win 7/8.1 are moving into their final support stages, and this is just a streamlined way for them to deliver updates.

I don't see how this is more streamlined, or easier for them or for the consumer.

[Linus_torvalds]

1 hour ago, Derangel said:

If I have to install Windows anyway what the hell is the point of installing Linux in the first place? I have zero interest in dual-booting or booting up a VM to play games and if those VM solutions require me to buy a program in order to have the same functionality I already do with a Windows install I'm even less interested.

You do not have to buy anything. The point is to use windows just for gaming. Maybe you need it for other stuff too but there are many people that use windows because there are not many games on linux or mac os. 

[4960X]

Just disable your windows update service and problem solved.

[Misanthrope]

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Its all or nothing

I'll take 5 servings of nothing please, thanks.

[AresKrieger]

7 hours ago, AluminiumTech said:

If you don't keep your PC up to date then you lose support for that device. You must REMAIN up to date throughout the product's lifecycle.

Their "support" was making things worse and less compatible rather than better and more compatible, so they can keep it, also I can reinstall my own software if I run into an issue, microsoft isn't very useful in terms of solving problems you bring up to them, they never have been but at least before they weren't building an ecosystem, some people don't want to be a product they'd rather buy a product.

[Rune]

Well, this is unfortunate.

[elfensky]

22 hours ago, AluminiumTech said:

As I've said before, you must REMAIN up to date (always have the newest update) to be supported on Windows.

Ah, but if you run a dedicated antivirus, what stops you from deferring the updates for a month, and updating at a later date? Or do you mean the various security holes in windows itself? 

[Dabombinable]

6 minutes ago, ElfenSky said:

Ah, but if you run a dedicated antivirus, what stops you from deferring the updates for a month, and updating at a later date? Or do you mean the various security holes in windows itself? 

Security holes which for the large part remain unpatched/in wait for some one to exploit them.

[AlTech]

15 hours ago, AresKrieger said:

Their "support" was making things worse and less compatible rather than better and more compatible, so they can keep it, also I can reinstall my own software if I run into an issue, microsoft isn't very useful in terms of solving problems you bring up to them, they never have been but at least before they weren't building an ecosystem, some people don't want to be a product they'd rather buy a product.

You're quite funny. Windows 10 users are not the product. They are users. They are encouraged to use products such as the Windows Store, Bing, Cortana, Office and Skype.

 

And with Windows 10, you are buying a product.

[jagdtigger]

13 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

You're quite funny. Windows 10 users are not the product. They are users. They are encouraged to use products such as the Windows Store, Bing, Cortana, Office and Skype.

 

And with Windows 10, you are buying a product.

You are the funny in reality i think, users not the product?

Then why the forced and blatant telemtry? Or the ""recommended"" apps(<--which are ads in reality)? What about shoving down cortana on people's throats when they dont want it? Or what about the "accidental" reset of the tweaks that meant to disable stuff we dont want? And why  the hell a big update reinstalls the preinstalled crap that i deleted because i dont need them and without my permission?

 

Face it, the win10 userbase become a product and because of the forced updates MS does what he wants... I dont need that on my PC thats why i use win7 and thats why i will disable win update. Ill just use linux for browsing and other misk stuff and use windows for games, with this not being updated is not an issue .

Edited August 17, 2016 by jagdtigger

[AlTech]

6 minutes ago, jagdtigger said:

You are the funny in reality i think, users not the product?

Then why the forced and blatant telemtry?

I don't think you understand what "Telemetry" means.

 

Telemetry means information about the hardware on your PC (very useful for game devs, app devs and Windows devs to know how devices with certain specs perform), performance (E.g is the UI responsive and fluid, is something hogging the CPU etc), crash statistics (E.g. did the News App install incorrectly or does the calculator freeze?) and what parts of Windows you use most often (So the Windows devs can figure out what should be a priority to improve or at least consider improving).

6 minutes ago, jagdtigger said:

Or the ""recommended"" apps(<--which are ads in reality)? What about shoving down cortana on people's throats when they dont want it?

 

Some of these apps are not exactly pleasant to deal with. I'm not sure how aware the Windows Team is of what 3rd party apps get installed by default. This is probably the marketing or sales department organizing a deal with another company without the knowledge of the Windows Team.

 

Google shoves Google Now down Android users throats  and yet nobody seems to complain. Cortana is optional. It is hard to avoid because they want people to use it. There are very few down sides to using Cortana.

6 minutes ago, jagdtigger said:

Or what about the "accidental" reset of the tweaks that meant to disable stuff we dont want?

it was accidental. They had a bug where it was using the default Windows settings instead of the user's settings.
 

6 minutes ago, jagdtigger said:

And why  the hell a big update reinstalls the preinstalled crap that i deleted because i dont need them and without my permission?

 

It's just using the default installation stuff for updating on major Windows 10 updates. You are effectively using a new OS every time Windows 10 is updated on a large scale.

 

The "Anniversary Update" is a new OS. Windows 10 installs it as if it were a new OS.

6 minutes ago, jagdtigger said:

Face it, the win10 userbase become a product and because of the forced updates MS does what he wants..

Double Standard are fucking stupid

 

You let Google shove their Google Services down your throat on Android phones. But let's be real, what Google is doing is worse than what Microsoft is doing.

6 minutes ago, jagdtigger said:

. I dont need that on my PC thats why i use win7 and thats why i will disable win update.

So security and new features are not things you value in an OS?

6 minutes ago, jagdtigger said:

Ill just use linux for browsing and other misk stuff and use windows for games, with this not being updated is not an issue .

Disabling updates means that if you ever encounter an error it cannot be fixed by Microsoft. You are vulnerable to any exploits, bugs, security flaws or issues with Windows 7.
 

Also, Double Standard. Either use Windows all the time or use it none of the time. use it for gaming and everything you do or don't use it at all. Nobody is forcing you to use Windows.

 

 

[AlTech]

18 hours ago, Energycore said:

I don't see how this is more streamlined, or easier for them or for the consumer.

It's easier for people who have to maintain laptops. Like in IT departments or system admins or technicians.

[SpaceGhostC2C]

49 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

You're quite funny. Windows 10 users are not the product. They are users. They are encouraged to use products such as the Windows Store, Bing, Cortana, Office and Skype.

 

And with Windows 10, you are buying a product.

Your are buying as in "upgrade today for free daily reminder" kind of buying?

 

When the product is free, you are the product. It's been Google's business model for ages, and MS jumped on the wagon.

 

18 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

IGoogle shoves Google Now down Android users throats  and yet nobody seems to complain. Cortana is optional. It is hard to avoid because they want people to use it. There are very few down sides to using Cortana.

it was accidental. They had a bug where it was using the default Windows settings instead of the user's settings.
 

 

It's just using the default installation stuff for updating on major Windows 10 updates. You are effectively using a new OS every time Windows 10 is updated on a large scale.

 

The "Anniversary Update" is a new OS. Windows 10 installs it as if it were a new OS.

Double Standard are fucking stupid

 

You let Google shove their Google Services down your throat on Android phones. But let's be real, what Google is doing is worse than what Microsoft is doing.

 

Which double standard? It's the same standard: Goolge is terrible, and by copying Google, MS is terrible, simple as that. "Nobody seems to complain"?? Strawmaning a bit, are we? Is that the best argument to defend the shite MS is trying to force on us, "everyone else is doing it so suck it up"?

 

To be honest, it's not really the Win 10 critiques what keep me away from it. Aside from my own pre-release experience as Windows Insider, what puts the nail in the coffin are the Win 10 defenses and promos: if that's the best they can say about it, then it really is as bad as it seems.