Win7 and 8.1 to get cumulative updates – you no longer control your Win7 or 8.1 machine

[Energycore]

Just now, byalexandr said:

I would use it if there were more applications supported. Especially games.

 

Literally the only reason I use Windows over Linux at this point is because of the widespread usage and compatibility.

You know a product is less than good when our only excuse to use it is that there's nothing else.

 

but also

[JoshB2084]

Hello MS,

 

Bye...

From,

Josh

[elfensky]

You know, all Microsoft has to do, is create an off-switch for that on the Pro version of windows, which will satisfy most of us. I see the cumulative and mandatory updates as a good thing for the average computer user. 

 

I misunderstood what cumulative updates meant. Yeah, everything into a single package can be a pain. I suppose one way of doing things is just always wait for a month to see if there are any issues with the latest update. 

[Linus_torvalds]

8 hours ago, Derangel said:

 

Eh. Linux is still pretty shit for games, which is one of the primary things I use Windows for.

Actually many new games come to linux too. For others you always can install windows in VM and make PCI/VGA passthrough. You will get 95-98% performance of your GPU in virtual machine. Trust me if i gave you 2 PCs one with native windows and other one with VM like i said above you WILL NOT guess which one is VM.

[jaggysnake57]

its funny how mandtory updates that help protect your machine has people so enraged....lol

[Delicieuxz]

Everyone who is concerned about this, please see the resources I've provided in my LTT blog, here: 

Windows 7 is a complete and stable OS, and doesn't need further functionality updates. If a person wants the continuing security updates for Windows 7, then install only those, and not the other update types MS releases. Or, simply don't download any further updates from MS (if you know what you're doing with your online habits).

 

Also, I advise people to make updated Windows 7 installation ISOs for their version of Windows (Professional 64, Ultimate 64, etc), updated to either June 2015 or July 2015, as August is when Microsoft started back-adding telemetry and data-collection to Windows 7. A guide on how to do this is available in one of my blog postings.

 

Also, I have a fully-updated June 2015 ISO of Windows 7 Ultimate 64 already available for download (you'll need your own Win 7 Ultimate license to install it), and the link is provided in one of the blog postings.

 

 

Microsoft is done. It has failed miserably to reach near its 1 billion installed-devices goal, and its new identity is not as an OS and office software company, but as an advertisement company that uses its software as platform to make money through collecting meta- data on people's activities, and selling it to interested parties.

 

Microsoft has fired so many thousands of its staff over the last 3 years that it no longer is capable of producing a competent OS, and Windows 10 is grossly inferior to both Windows 7 and 8 in too many ways. Windows 10 is unstable and unreliable, and each new major Win 10 update brings as many new bugs as it fixes. Windows 10 is probably the most buggy OS Microsoft has released since Windows 95. Windows 10 simply is not a professional OS. It's like an indie-dev's prototype that never solidifies into anything great, but just morphs from one bloated and troubled presentation to another.

 

Some people are caught up in a sentiment of Windows 10 being new and the future, and they just want to ride that fluffy feeling while shutting down their minds completely. Windows 10 has less useful functionality than Windows 7, is hella less stable than Windows 7, is less user-friendly than Windows 7, offers a PC admin less control than Windows 7, is more invasive than Windows 7, has in-OS ads which Windows 7 doesn't, and constantly resets customized file-associations to force people into using MS applications, which Windows 7 doesn't do. Also, Win 10 is littered with "bugs" that are intentional, to keep people using MS services - things like issues with changing default apps away from MS ones.

 

This is Windows 10:

 

 

If a program starts doing that on a person's PC, it's called malware. And it's not different when Microsoft does it, through Windows.

 

Windows 10 is an invasive, user-fighting, buggy, early-beta demo-version of Windows, that is ad-supported, and is a constant chore and headache to keep set up, and to get it to do what a user wants it to.

 

On the other hand, Windows 7, up until June / July 2015, is the full version of Windows, which just works, obeys the user, and doesn't collect a user's data for resale to make MS money, and doesn't try to trick the user at every turn, or even at all.

 

Friends don't let friends use Windows 10.

[Dabombinable]

5 minutes ago, Delicieuxz said:

Everyone who is concerned about this, please see the resources I've provided in my LTT blog, here: 

Windows 7 is a full an stable OS, and doesn't need further functionality updates. If a person wants the continuing security updates for Windows 7, then install only those, and not the other update types MS releases. Or, simply don't download any further updates from MS (if you know what you're doing with your online habits).

 

Also, I advise people to make updated Windows 7 installation ISOs for their version of Windows (Professional 64, Ultimate 64, etc), updated to either June 2015 or July 2015, as August is when Microsoft started back-adding telemetry and data-collection to Windows 7. A guide on how to do this is available in one of my blog postings.

 

Also, I have a fully-updated June 2015 ISO of Windows 7 Ultimate 64 already available for download (you'll need your own Win 7 Ultimate license to install it), and the link is provided in one of the blog postings.

 

Microsoft is done. It has failed miserably to reach near its 1 billion installed-devices goal, and its new identity is not as an OS and office software company, but as an advertisement company that uses its software as platform to make money through collecting meta- data on people's activities, and selling it to interested parties.

 

Microsoft has fired so many thousands of its staff over the last 3 years that it no longer is capable of producing a competent OS, and Windows 10 is grossly inferior to both Windows 7 and 8 in too many ways. Windows 10 is unstable and unreliable, and each new major Win 10 update brings as many new bugs as it fixes. Windows 10 is probably the most buggy OS Microsoft has released since Windows 95. Windows 10 simply is not a professional OS. It's like an indie-devs prototype that never solidifies into anything great, but just morphs from one bloated and troubled presentation to another.

 

Some people are caught up in a sentiment of Windows 10 being new and the future, and they just want to ride that fluffy feeling while shutting down their minds completely. Windows 10 has less useful functionality than Windows 7, is hella less stable than Windows 7, is less user-friendly than Windows 7, offers a PC admin less control than Windows 7, is more invasive than Windows 7, has in-OS ads which Windows 7 has, and constantly resets customized file-associations to force people into using MS applications, which Windows 7 doesn't do. Also, Win 10 is littered with "bugs" that are intentional, to keep people using MS services - things like issues with changing default apps away from MS ones.

 

This is Windows 10:

 

 

 

Windows 10 is an invasive, user-fighting, buggy early-beta-demo-version of Windows, that is ad-supported, and is a constant chore and headache to keep set up, and to get it to do what a user wants it to.

 

On the other hand, Windows 7, up until June / July 2015, is the full version of Windows, which just works, obeys the user, and doesn't collect a user's data for resale to make MS money, and doesn't try to trick the user at every turn, or even at all.

 

Friends don't let friends use Windows 10.

Not much of a choice for me-some apps that my Mum uses for work require Windows 10 so I end up testing the updates and each version to ensure that there are no problems that would leave her without her computer. Its all shits and giggles with my laptop though. All drivers so far (including the last ones for its Mobility Radeon HD5650 and HD4250, and under Windows 7 and 10) see a performance drop in OpenGL games, with the FPS only being 1 third of the FPS under the drivers released by HP in 2010. So with that laptop I actually had another reason to not use Windows 10.

[Doobeedoo]

10 hours ago, jagdtigger said:

@Doobeedoo

Thanks for the worthless post... #msfanboy

Wow I'm an MS fanboy, I didn't know. Thanks normie.

[laminutederire]

They should release a "Lite " version of their OS.

Something specifically designed for idiots who don't have a clue about how a computer works and who won't even try to understand. Issue with their last moves is that they're going apple's way to lock down more computer so that average Joe's have something even simpler to use. 

[sof006]

Uninstall the update, problem solved.

[Kunter]

39 minutes ago, sof006 said:

Uninstall the update, problem solved.

But some updates are important security fixes, what now?

 

[AlTech]

8 minutes ago, Kunter said:

But some updates are important security fixes, what now?

 

If you don't keep your PC up to date then you lose support for that device. You must REMAIN up to date throughout the product's lifecycle.

[Delicieuxz]

29 minutes ago, Kunter said:

But some updates are important security fixes, what now?

From the OP's link:

 

"Also from October 2016 onwards, Windows will release a single Security-only update. This update collects all of the security patches for that month into a single update. Unlike the Monthly Rollup, the Security-only update will only include new security patches that are released for that month. Individual patches will no longer be available."

 

 

Also, from this Ars article: http://arstechnica.com/business/2016/08/windows-7-8-1-moving-to-windows-10s-cumulative-update-model/

 

"Microsoft will also create security-only updates that include all the security fixes released each month, without any reliability or feature changes. These updates won't be cumulative. They will only be offered via WSUS and SCCM; WU users won't see them."

 

[AlTech]

6 hours ago, JoshB2084 said:

Hello MS,

 

Bye...

From,

Josh

 

2 hours ago, Delicieuxz said:

Everyone who is concerned about this, please see the resources I've provided in my LTT blog, here: 

Windows 7 is a complete and stable OS, and doesn't need further functionality updates. If a person wants the continuing security updates for Windows 7, then install only those, and not the other update types MS releases. Or, simply don't download any further updates from MS (if you know what you're doing with your online habits).

 

Also, I advise people to make updated Windows 7 installation ISOs for their version of Windows (Professional 64, Ultimate 64, etc), updated to either June 2015 or July 2015, as August is when Microsoft started back-adding telemetry and data-collection to Windows 7. A guide on how to do this is available in one of my blog postings.

 

Also, I have a fully-updated June 2015 ISO of Windows 7 Ultimate 64 already available for download (you'll need your own Win 7 Ultimate license to install it), and the link is provided in one of the blog postings.

 

 

Microsoft is done. It has failed miserably to reach near its 1 billion installed-devices goal, and its new identity is not as an OS and office software company, but as an advertisement company that uses its software as platform to make money through collecting meta- data on people's activities, and selling it to interested parties.

 

Microsoft has fired so many thousands of its staff over the last 3 years that it no longer is capable of producing a competent OS, and Windows 10 is grossly inferior to both Windows 7 and 8 in too many ways. Windows 10 is unstable and unreliable, and each new major Win 10 update brings as many new bugs as it fixes. Windows 10 is probably the most buggy OS Microsoft has released since Windows 95. Windows 10 simply is not a professional OS. It's like an indie-dev's prototype that never solidifies into anything great, but just morphs from one bloated and troubled presentation to another.

 

Some people are caught up in a sentiment of Windows 10 being new and the future, and they just want to ride that fluffy feeling while shutting down their minds completely. Windows 10 has less useful functionality than Windows 7, is hella less stable than Windows 7, is less user-friendly than Windows 7, offers a PC admin less control than Windows 7, is more invasive than Windows 7, has in-OS ads which Windows 7 doesn't, and constantly resets customized file-associations to force people into using MS applications, which Windows 7 doesn't do. Also, Win 10 is littered with "bugs" that are intentional, to keep people using MS services - things like issues with changing default apps away from MS ones.

 

This is Windows 10:

 

 

If a program starts doing that on a person's PC, it's called malware. And it's not different when Microsoft does it, through Windows.

 

Windows 10 is an invasive, user-fighting, buggy early-beta-demo-version of Windows, that is ad-supported, and is a constant chore and headache to keep set up, and to get it to do what a user wants it to.

 

On the other hand, Windows 7, up until June / July 2015, is the full version of Windows, which just works, obeys the user, and doesn't collect a user's data for resale to make MS money, and doesn't try to trick the user at every turn, or even at all.

 

Friends don't let friends use Windows 10.

 

4 hours ago, ElfenSky said:

You know, all Microsoft has to do, is create an off-switch for that on the Pro version of windows, which will satisfy most of us. I see the cumulative and mandatory updates as a good thing for the average computer user. 

 

I misunderstood what cumulative updates meant. Yeah, everything into a single package can be a pain. I suppose one way of doing things is just always wait for a month to see if there are any issues with the latest update. 

As I've said before, you must REMAIN up to date (always have the newest update) to be supported on Windows.

[porina]

If the reports are accurate and this applies to security and reliability updates, I don't see this as a bad thing, other than the download may be bigger than needed since you will inevitably be downloading in part what you have already. If it more the optional updates that causes problems. There is a but, for example, the telemetry updates they've been pushing for a while. Would they put that under "reliability"? I wouldn't, but this is MS so they probably would...

 

I've also been going the other direction for secondary PCs, in that I wonder if it is worth updating at all. I've long removed anti-virus since that is just a performance killer. Updates are too time consuming under the current system. Before anyone goes security paranoia on me, my main daily use PCs do have assorted protection and is kept up to date. I'm only applying this to other systems that are non-critical.

[Sintezza]

Well basicly the Windows7 update system is completely broken anyways.

They still have not fixed their endless scanning for updates without finding anything on certain machines.

And the cpu hogg and memory leaking in svchost caused by wauserv isnt fixed either.

 

The best way to keep your current windows7 install up to date,

is simply downloading a clean iso and slipstream security updates manualy.

[Dabombinable]

11 minutes ago, Sintezza said:

Well basicly the Windows7 update system is completely broken anyways.

They still have not fixed their endless scanning for updates without finding anything on certain machines.

And the cpu hogg and memory leaking in svchost caused by wauserv isnt fixed either.

 

The best way to keep your current windows7 install up to date,

is simply downloading a clean iso and slipstream security updates manualy.

Wait, so in over 5 years MS still hasn't fucking fixed svchost in Windows 7?

[ThinkWithPortals]

37 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

 

 

As I've said before, you must REMAIN up to date (always have the newest update) to be supported on Windows.

Do you mean "up to date" in the sense of having the latest version of Windows, or having the latest security patch for whatever Windows version you are running?

[AlTech]

2 minutes ago, ThinkWithPortals said:

Do you mean "up to date" in the sense of having the latest version of Windows, or having the latest security patch for whatever Windows version you are running?

A combination of both would be advised. But you could survive with just the latest update for your Windows Version (although upgrading to Windows 10 wouldn't be a bad idea).

 

Here's stuff from my Windows 10 support guide although this mostly applies to all Windows versions now:

Quote

 

Q: So then how do you get continuous support throughout Windows 10?

A: Always stay up to date and download the latest Windows update as they come out.

 

Q: What if I don't want to install it right away?

A: You will also be fine so long as you've updated Windows somewhat recently

 

Q: How long can I hold off on an update?

A: For 3 months for Windows 10 Professional Edition OR much longer for enterprise users.

 

Q: What happens if I miss the above deadlines?

A: You won't receive any support or updates from Microsoft. So in this case it's best to reinstall /reset Windows 10.
 

 

[Centurius]

15 hours ago, Teddy07 said:

I hate fucking Micro$oft. Sadly i have to use windows as a gamer. I hope linux will get better for gamer

Just saying

[vorticalbox]

welcome to windows. Really though the biggest security hole in windows is people not updating and that is what Microsoft I bet are planning to address.

 

up to date = more secure.

 

if you want control get a linux os

[Delicieuxz]

1 hour ago, vorticalbox said:

welcome to windows. Really though the biggest security hole in windows is people not updating and that is what Microsoft I bet are planning to address.

 

up to date = more secure.

You sure about that? Updating was what caused my PC to become infected with ads, and spyware, making me vulnerable to having my data taken, and is what caused me to lose control over my app settings, and it also locked me out of various basic OS controls. The only way to get rid of all the problems was with a clean installation of Windows 7 pre-Aug 2015.

[Derangel]

7 hours ago, mate_mate91 said:

Actually many new games come to linux too. For others you always can install windows in VM and make PCI/VGA passthrough. You will get 95-98% performance of your GPU in virtual machine. Trust me if i gave you 2 PCs one with native windows and other one with VM like i said above you WILL NOT guess which one is VM.

If I have to install Windows anyway what the hell is the point of installing Linux in the first place? I have zero interest in dual-booting or booting up a VM to play games and if those VM solutions require me to buy a program in order to have the same functionality I already do with a Windows install I'm even less interested.

[MSWindowsinside]

This is a good thing, although a better solution would be to ditch those old OS' entirely and go for Windows 10.

[MSWindowsinside]

I'm also not even going to read the rest of the comments here. You guys are kinda weird, why do you guys make a positive thing into a negative thing just because you don't like Microsoft?? This is a perfect solution to the slow Windows Update that's bugging people who use older versions of Windows. A shame that people have to put on a tinfoil hat for everything that a big company does.