COVID-19 - READ THE RULES BEFORE REPLYING

[TechyBen]

4 hours ago, VegetableStu said:

what the hell? i didn't know those three had a youtube channel!? O_O

They have individual ones too. Richard Hammond's was a good slice of life series.

[Andreas Lilja]

So Trudeau announced $2000 monthly for every worker that lost their jobs, for 4 months.

 

This means that if you make full-time minimum wage ($12.50), you're working while you could sit on your couch for the same amount??

[WkdPaul]

8 minutes ago, Andreas Lilja said:

So Trudeau announced $2000 monthly for every worker that lost their jobs, for 4 months.

 

This means that if you make full-time minimum wage ($12.50), you're working while you could sit on your couch for the same amount??

I don't think that applies if you decide to stop working because you prefer to stay home (though, I totally understand why people would prefer to not go to work and be exposed !!! The front line workers are real heroes now! And I'm not just talking about healthcare workers, but also the people working in grocery stores, gas station, pharmacies, etc ...)

 

One of my friend had a recent carrier change, he was previously a manager for a big "corporate" gas station, he had to manage 5 stations and had to work at all hours of day and night. I'm happy he has a better job (benefits, conditions and salary), and I do feel for the person that took over! That's a lot of work and responsibilities for very little money (IMO).

Edited March 25, 2020 by wkdpaul

[IkeaGnome]

12 minutes ago, Andreas Lilja said:

So Trudeau announced $2000 monthly for every worker that lost their jobs, for 4 months.

 

This means that if you make full-time minimum wage ($12.50), you're working while you could sit on your couch for the same amount??

Pretty close to what we have... Kind of. Since I work in mining(critical industry), I'm not shut down by any means. However, for now, to keep people happy we are going to a 4 weeks on 4 weeks off schedule with 2 weeks of paid quarantine in town here for each rotation. So it's really 4 weeks at work, 2 weeks at home, 2 weeks paid quarantine, 4 weeks at work again. At $400 a day with the company paying for the hotel room for us, it's closer to $500 a day. Controversial industry+Critical industry exemptions make for some weird stuff in rough times.

[NumLock21]

There was a video of an interview with a doctor who performed an autopsies on a Covid-19 patient. That one was edited. Here is the full interview. 

 

 

 

 

[Andreas Lilja]

21 minutes ago, wkdpaul said:

I don't think that applies if you decide to stop working because you prefer to stay home (though, I totally understand why people would prefer to not go to work and be exposed !!! The front line workers are real heroes now! And I'm not just talking about healthcare workers, but also the people working in grocery stores, gas station, pharmacies, etc ...)

What I meant is that people that got temporarily laid off are being clearly advantaged here.

 

160 hours in a (e.g.) grocery store for the same salary than people sitting on a couch, for four months.

 

Not sure how it works for people who didn't even make $2000 as well. 

 

 

[Canoe]

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2 worrisome stories.. Without enough ventilators, NYC doctors now calling next of kin to EXTUBATE (remove breathing tube) of low probability survivors to help save high chance survivors. Oh and begging to transfer patients out of state.

https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1242674117268119555

 

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The Department of Homeland Security has been briefed that New York City’s morgues are nearing capacity, according to a department official and a second person familiar with the situation.

Officials were told that morgues in the city are expected to reach capacity next week, per the briefing. A third person familiar with the situation in New York said that some of the city’s hospital morgues hit capacity over the last seven days.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/25/dhs-briefing-nyc-morgues-near-capacity-148259

 

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California now says it needs 50,000 more hospital beds to meet coronavirus surge

In response to the new estimates, Newsom said the state’s existing hospitals, which currently have 75,000 beds, have agreed to expand their capacity by 40 percent - adding another 30,000 beds by using outbuildings on existing campuses and setting up tents in parking lots.

 

The state also has already secured at least 3,000 additional beds. Those include 1,000 beds on the Navy medical ship Mercy and hundreds more at several hospitals the state is leasing.

The state has already secured three hospitals in Los Angeles, Long Beach and Daly City, and Newsom said his office is also negotiating with Sutter Health about taking over additional facilities.

The federal government has agreed to send eight field medical centers, two of which have already arrived. In total, all eight will add 2,000 beds to the state’s capacity, Newsom said. Additional beds could also be set up in fairgrounds, hotels and motels, he said.

https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article241450846.html

 

Sounds like Wuhan.

[Canoe]

Explaining the consequences of how contagious COVID-19 is.

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“If you are irresponsible enough to think that you don’t mind if you get the flu, remember it’s not about you - it’s about everybody else.”
Intensive care specialist Professor Hugh Montgomery explains why this coronavirus is different from the ordinary flu.

https://twitter.com/C4Dispatches/status/1241803403619172359

 

 

 

[PhantomJaguarr]

Went to go drop off supplies at my dad's house. Lots of cars still in the city like it was a normal day. Saw a group of people pack all together in a car. 

 

 

Edited March 25, 2020 by PhantomJaguar77

[LogicalDrm]

4 hours ago, VegetableStu said:

Great job! Go F yourself! You deserve it! (If you are long-time follower of hers, you get the joke. Everyone else, disregard this)

 

PS. If you paste long articled, please use spoilers. It helps when us monitoring this don't need to scroll and scroll and scroll.

[NumLock21]

https://metro.co.uk/2020/03/25/attention-seeker-licked-toilet-seat-joked-getting-coronavirus-now-coronavirus-12454901/

[SpaceGhostC2C]

20 hours ago, Canoe said:

My evil twin was wondering...

1.  

Spoiler

 

1. In Wuhan and places in Hubei, once people had no more food for their pets, rather than let them starve, they started letting their cats and dogs loose so they could at least try and fend for themselves.
2. The U.S. has more privately owned tigers than there are in the wild. And a fair amount of other big cats.
3. What happens when they run out of food for them?

Could sure cut down on the people not sheltering in place.
Just curious...

 

 

 

Santiago de Chile, yesterday:

 

 

 

4 hours ago, VegetableStu said:

huh, cute

 

https://www.macrumors.com/2020/03/24/stay-home-wifi-off-messaging-iphone/

My carrier is doing the same.

 

 

4 hours ago, Andreas Lilja said:

So Trudeau announced $2000 monthly for every worker that lost their jobs, for 4 months.

 

This means that if you make full-time minimum wage ($12.50), you're working while you could sit on your couch for the same amount??

You would need to get fired because of the pandemia, though, so you couldn't just choose to.

 

3 hours ago, Andreas Lilja said:

What I meant is that people that got temporarily laid off are being clearly advantaged here.

 

160 hours in a (e.g.) grocery store for the same salary than people sitting on a couch, for four months.

 

Not sure how it works for people who didn't even make $2000 as well. 

 

 

Have you checked is not "up to"? I haven't checked Canada, but in other countries they have implemented more generous / more widespread / longer-lasting unemployment insurance benefits, which themselves are calculated taking into account your past earnings and a cap.

[PhantomJaguarr]

Oh gods. I hope I don’t get an overly angry Karen.

 

 

[Canoe]

This sounds much worse than it is. Probably.

Oh wait. There is a bad part.

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Public Health Responses to COVID-19 Outbreaks on Cruise Ships — Worldwide, February–March 2020

• SARS-CoV-2 RNA was identified on a variety of surfaces in cabins of both symptomatic and asymptomatic infected passengers up to 17 days after cabins were vacated on the Diamond Princess but before disinfection procedures had been conducted
• Available statistical models of the Diamond Princess outbreak suggest that 17.9% of infected persons never developed symptoms
• All persons should defer all cruise travel worldwide during the COVID-19 pandemic.

http://dx.doi.org/10.15585/mmwr.mm6912e3

 

 

[Canoe]

Italy has reported in for the day.

The U.S. numbers are still growing.

 

The U.S. now has more Active cases than Italy.

Italy: 74,386 Confirmed, 57,521 Active, 7,503 Deaths.
U.S.: 64,775 Confirmed (detections still behind), 63,472 Active, 910 Deaths.

The ball park in Wuhan for hospital planning, based on observed cases, was 20% will be Severe, 18% of Severe will eventually succumb. That's 3.6%.

Italy's Crude Fatality Rate went up again today. Now at 10.1%.

[WkdPaul]

* thread cleaned *

 

While what was removed wasn't against the rules, it was leading to tense discussion and pointing blame isn't going to fix anything, so let's try to focus on something else, even though I admit it's getting harder!

 

 

 

On a positive note, can't wait for this year's Darwin Awards' mentions ;

 

2 hours ago, NumLock21 said:

https://metro.co.uk/2020/03/25/attention-seeker-licked-toilet-seat-joked-getting-coronavirus-now-coronavirus-12454901/

 

Edited March 25, 2020 by wkdpaul

[Canoe]

I missed this!

FDA has approved using plasma of the Recovered! Somewhat.

• China was collecting and concentrating plasma from Recovered COVID-19 patients, with news and social media showing and asking Recovered patients to donate.
• In advanced stages of the disease, the immune system would start collapsing. It would usually pause, then recover slightly, pause briefly, then crash, with systemic collapse of the immune system, with multiple resulting attacks on organs throughout the body, then death.
• They found that if they gave an injection of anti-bodies concentrated from donated plasama - just as the immune system had its slight recovery and before the crash started (that timing was crucial - not too soon, not too late) - that would usually give the patient more time alive, which gave them a chance for their immune system to recover enough to be able to eventually fight off the disease. 
• Coincidence or not, shortly following announcing that practice, they reported that the course of the disease was now recognized as out to eight weeks, not the four weeks previously reported.

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March 24, 2020

Investigational COVID-19 Convalescent Plasma - Emergency INDs

 

One investigational treatment being explored for COVID-19 involves the use of convalescent plasma collected from recovered COVID-19 patients. It is possible that convalescent plasma that contains antibodies to SARS-CoV-2 (the virus that causes COVID-19) might be effective against the infection. Use of convalescent plasma has been studied in outbreaks of other respiratory infections, including the 2009-2010 H1N1 influenza virus pandemic, 2003 SARS-CoV-1 epidemic, and the 2012 MERS-CoV epidemic. Although promising, convalescent plasma has not been shown to be effective in every disease studied. It is therefore important to determine through clinical trials, before routinely administering convalescent plasma to patients with COVID-19, that it is safe and effective to do so. Investigators wishing to study the use of convalescent plasma are encouraged to submit requests to FDA for investigational use under the traditional IND regulatory pathway (21 CFR 312).

 

https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/investigational-new-drug-ind-or-device-exemption-ide-process-cber/investigational-covid-19-convalescent-plasma-emergency-inds

 

[Master Disaster]

The UK Monachy recently announced the HRH Prince Charles has Cov19, hes 71.

[Ithanul]

20 hours ago, Canoe said:

They have a bit of a different level of requirment to be operational. "We're down" is not an option.

Definitely, I just find it interesting to see how the base is acting more along structure plans, while the civi local gov almost seems to be going about certain actions in a haphazard way.   Though, talking to one of my co-workers today, it seems the local city is starting to take similar actions like the base.

[PhantomJaguarr]

Spain’s coronavirus death toll has overtaken China’s, climbing to 3,434, while a slowdown in the rate of new infections in Italy has raised hopes that the peak of its outbreak could be within sight. After more than a week in lockdown in Spain, another 738 people died over 24 hours, but officials expressed hope that the daily rise in deaths might be stabilising. “If we are not already at the peak, we are very close,” said Fernando Simón, the head of Spain’s health emergency centre.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/25/coronavirus-death-toll-in-spain-overtakes-china-as-lockdowns-extend-across-globe

[Deli]

Just a matter of days before US overtakes Italy and China to have the most confirmed cases.

[Canoe]

9 minutes ago, Deli said:

Just a matter of days before US overtakes Italy and China to have the most confirmed cases.

You do realize that the U.S. has the

• most Active cases now
  • more than 10,000 above Italy
• the most Active cases ever
  • more than 6,000 above China at its peak
• the steepest rise in infections now
• the steepest rise in infections ever

This is what you get from having testing delayed/denied/withheld/restricted so people go around infecting others without being aware they're ill, let alone contagious.

 

Look at South Korea's curve. And they had a super-spreading event.

That's likely the curve the U.S. would have had if they'd allowed the doctors to test sooner..

Italy started out testing and tracing contacts, but their capital restricted that...

Being forewarned doesn't help if those at the top ignore the warnings.

 

 

[mr moose]

12 minutes ago, Canoe said:

You do realize that the U.S. has the

• most Active cases now
  • more than 10,000 above Italy
• the most Active cases ever
  • more than 6,000 above China at its peak
• the steepest rise in infections now
• the steepest rise in infections ever

This is what you get from having testing delayed/denied/withheld/restricted so people go around infecting others without being aware they're ill, let alone contagious.

 

Look at South Korea's curve. And they had a super-spreading event.

That's likely the curve the U.S. would have had if they'd allowed the doctors to test sooner..

Italy started out testing and tracing contacts, but their capital restricted that...

Being forewarned doesn't help if those at the top ignore the warnings.

 

 

Still waiting for Australia to enter those graphs, I don't know if it's because  we just have really low numbers, but the testing is not being held back and the push to isolate is huge.

[Canoe]

22 minutes ago, mr moose said:

Still waiting for Australia to enter those graphs, I don't know if it's because  we just have really low numbers, but the testing is not being held back and the push to isolate is huge.

So many countries aren't doing adequate testing, that the Confirmed count is losing meaning.

 

Deaths are more definitive. Harder to hide. Although a number of countries have reports that deaths of someone not already Confirmed as COVID-19 positive were not being counted as a COVID-19 Death.

But a number have to accumulate before their detections can be credible. I have a graph prepared with alignment at 50 cases. It's looking meaningful. I've seen some with alignment at 100 cases. I don't know what is valid.

 

For Confirmed I tried aligning at 200, 300, 500, but it was 1000 where we were seeing better alignment, hence more of the character of the disease or testing presenting in that country, rather than the initial variance. Not enough data points to be representative.

 

Comparing where it first broke out, in China, with combining all sources external to China, it's interesting to see how all the bits and pieces add up into one. I'll go generate that with to-yesterday's data (today's collection still in progress).

 

Here it is.

 

 

[PhantomJaguarr]

Some peace of mind when the average rent here is around 1600 USD  a month.

 

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The City Council voted unanimously on Wednesday to freeze residential and commercial evictions tied to the escalating outbreak. The move comes as entire sections of the region’s economy have been ground to a halt, notably in industries that employ large numbers of low-income workers such as hospitality and tourism.

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“We need to protect our most vulnerable residents from eviction,” said City Council President Georgette Gomez. She spearheaded the protections as a way to help San Diegans comply with the shelter-in-place directives health officials have said may slow the spread of the new coronavirus.

 

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/politics/story/2020-03-25/san-diego-freezes-tenant-evictions-linked-coronavirus-landlords-fret-activists-call-a-general-rent-strike