FBI Conducted a Sting Operation on Huawei at CES

[Drak3]

3 minutes ago, pas008 said:

raising awareness and getting others on board is actions

Neither of those really happened prior current administration.

 

6 minutes ago, pas008 said:

actually the first actions along with internal testing

And prior administrations did nothing.

[Brooksie359]

1 minute ago, Drak3 said:

Neither of those really happened prior current administration.

 

And prior administrations did nothing.

Why are we trying to argue who gets credit for this? If anyone gets credit it would be the ones who worked long and hard on this case. 

[pas008]

1 minute ago, Drak3 said:

Neither of those really happened prior current administration.

 

And prior administrations did nothing.

lol google

obama and huawei

 

you should know by now things take time when it comes to politics lol

[Syntaxvgm]

1 minute ago, pas008 said:

lol google

obama and huawei

 

you should know by now things take time when it comes to politics lol

im pretty sure that was all about the NSA spying on them. 

[pas008]

1 minute ago, Syntaxvgm said:

im pretty sure that was all about the NSA spying on them. 

oh thats not actions

then how did they get to this point

[Drak3]

2 minutes ago, pas008 said:

you should know by now things take time when it comes to politics lol

Mundane things take time.

 

Issues of national security do not take as long as you suggest, unless an administration is either incompetent or malicious.

[pas008]

Just now, Drak3 said:

Mundane things take time.

 

Issues of national security do not take as long as you suggest, unless an administration is either incompetent or malicious.

you need proof/evidence/etc before you can start doing things and that doesnt come easy considering they arent going to easily hand that over just like any other investigation

 

 

[Syntaxvgm]

1 minute ago, pas008 said:

oh thats not actions

then how did they get to this point

my original message was about bans and arrests of people connected to the company like the CFO idk actions like that. 

[pas008]

1 minute ago, Syntaxvgm said:

my original message was about bans and arrests of people connected to the company like the CFO idk actions like that. 

read above

[Drak3]

Fuck this, I'm done.

[Ithanul]

11 minutes ago, Brooksie359 said:

Why are we trying to argue who gets credit for this? If anyone gets credit it would be the ones who worked long and hard on this case. 

No clue, especially considering this ain't the first time Huawei gotten themselves in a pickle.

 

Just for a bit of a point:

Oh, look, Motorola was going after them.  Looks a bit farther back, heck, Cisco was going after them with a lawsuit back in 2003.

[Drak3]

13 minutes ago, Ithanul said:

Oh, look, Motorola was going after them.  Looks a bit farther back, heck, Cisco was going after them with a lawsuit back in 2003.

Motorola and Cisco =/=US government.

[Blademaster91]

10 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

Motorola and Cisco =/=US government.

Cisco were caught with an NSA backdoor in their routers several times, so yeah it does have something to do with the US government.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/cisco-backdoor-hardcoded-accounts-software,37480.html

 

[Drak3]

5 minutes ago, Blademaster91 said:

Cisco were caught with an NSA backdoor in their routers several times,

Irrelevant to the conversation.

[Sauron]

Iterestingly this has nothing to do with the spying allegations...

[mxk]

5 hours ago, RejZoR said:

Chinese just can't help themselves... they just have to steal others work/tech/products.

I bet that's somewhere in the little red book! /s

[leadeater]

3 hours ago, Syntaxvgm said:

my original message was about bans and arrests of people connected to the company like the CFO idk actions like that. 

The Trump administration was also working to reverse the ZTE ban and had an agreed settlement but that was blocked Senate. July 2018 the ban on ZTE was lifted. No one is actually as anti-China as made out to be, or at least realizes trade with them is still vitally important and not a bridge so easily burnt.

 

Investigations of Huawei and ZTE have been going on for a long time, likely even before the Obama administration. Like with a lot of things it comes down to  appearance/perception, Huawei is now deemed interesting and topical so is getting more media attention than before so it's hard to tell if there is more action or simply more reporting on action.

[jefire411]

I own a mate 10 pro and this is probably my last Huawei phone. In the new EMUI 9 update several of my pictures seem to have been corrupted and the locked boot loader makes it bad for the developer scene, although I already got a code before they shut down their website but it's almost useless with barely any stuff I can do.

[Taf the Ghost]

2 hours ago, leadeater said:

The Trump administration was also working to reverse the ZTE ban and had an agreed settlement but that was blocked Senate. July 2018 the ban on ZTE was lifted. No one is actually as anti-China as made out to be, or at least realizes trade with them is still vitally important and not a bridge so easily burnt.

 

Investigations of Huawei and ZTE have been going on for a long time, likely even before the Obama administration. Like with a lot of things it comes down to  appearance/perception, Huawei is now deemed interesting and topical so is getting more media attention than before so it's hard to tell if there is more action or simply more reporting on action.

Huawei also really screwed up. Security Services always end up acting at least a little like a protection racket for a company. "Hey, nice business license you got there. Shame if anything happened to it.". The smart foreign companies are always cognizant of this reality and adjust accordingly. Corning is a big company. They can make a few calls and Huawei gave an easy opening. Really stupid on their part.

[adman29]

7 hours ago, aezakmi said:

Huawei: *sells phones that are better than the iphone*

 

USA:

Where is this gif from?

[Dredgy]

8 hours ago, Syntaxvgm said:

Is it me or are the past couple years (trump admin) the first time where we're calling china out for doing what china does- IP theft? 

No, US government has tried, usually in vain, to curb Chinese IP theft since the first George Bush was in office. Clinton in particular was quite vocal about the issue - he even threatened the current route of slapping tariffs on everything. He was moderately successful in that he was able to get the Chinese government to raid and shut down quite a lot of pirated good factories. 

 

i lived in China when I was a kid and it was always super easy to get knock off goods (in 2003-2004) but having gone back a few times in recent years, it’s clear a crackdown has been made on outright fake goods.

 

The overall issue of IP theft is of course still very present (though on the decline and has been since before trump - China will copy until it understands the technology and then do its own thing). 

 

The topic of Huawei is less an IP theft issue and closer to straight industrial espionage - reverse engineering products sent to you - though it doesn’t cleanly first into either category.

 

 

[williamcll]

9 hours ago, imreloadin said:

Calling it now, this thread will be locked by the end of the day with the way you guys are carrying on

No no, it would be honor cutting sponsorship at this speed. 

[mr moose]

2 hours ago, Dredgy said:

The overall issue of IP theft is of course still very present

This is very true, I have first hand experience of larger companies reverse engineering competitors products,  China doesn't really steal IP any more than the rest of the world, they just have the ability to make it really cheap in house and have enough officials turn a blind eye to it that complete ripoffs are available.  

[BlueThumb]

I worked in manufacturing for years. I can say from experience that if you're a big company making a tech product in China - you KNOW they are stealing your IP as fast as the can. I've seen advanced equipment knock-offs show up in Chinese markets within a year of a legit product launch. That is, you have them make your new product and within a year it's been cloned and available on the Chinese market. The Chinese Mainland way is is completely ironic because questioning their honesty is a great dishonor to them. But at the same time, they're blatantly dishonest - and hustling you as cultural rule (it's like sport to them). The closest comparison is it's like cheating on a marriage is standard practice as long as long as it's one sided and you're never called out on it by your partner. She knows...but she's supposed to smile and pretend it's not happening...and that makes for a happy marriage.  

Edited February 6, 2019 by BlueThumb
Typos...my hands are getting old

[thinwalrus]

13 minutes ago, BlueThumb said:

I worked in manufacturing for years. I can say from experience that if you're a big company making a tech product in China - you KNOW they are stealing your IP as fast as the can. I've seen advanced equipment knock-offs show up in Chinese markets within a year of a legit product launch. That is, you have them make your new product and within a year it's been cloned and available on the Chinese market. The Chinese Mainland way is is completely ironic because questioning their honesty is a great dishonor to them. But at the same time, they're blatantly dishonest - and hustling you as cultural rule (it's like sport to them). The closest comparison is it's like cheating on a marriage is standard practice as long as long as it's one sided and you're never called out on it by your partner. She knows...but she's supposed to smile and pretend it's not happening...and that makes for a happy marriage.  

It is their culture and funnily enough it applies to their marriages too. Well if the man is wealthy enough to support other women.