Xbox Series X

[Bravo1cc]

On 12/13/2019 at 3:56 AM, ravenshrike said:

The one major advantage that MS will have over Sony for this console generation is VRS. Depending on how well it actually works in practice.

I dont think it will last very long if not at all as AMD have something in the works and if not already working on PS5 dev kits. I would find it very hard to believe that the next generation will be more than 5% apart in performance if that.

 

https://www.pcgamesn.com/amd/amd-variable-rate-shading-patent-navi-next-gen-consoles

[Ross Siggers]

9 hours ago, JZStudios said:

Yeah, but those games all look like shit because they aren't on PC, so they're not worth playing.

Don't be a elitist douchebag and/or troll. The games listed are all gorgeous, regardless of if they'd look better on PC. And their gameplay amazing, so the only one missing out here is you.

Don't be so closed minded. Or a troll. Or both  

 

[Princess Luna]

17 minutes ago, Viper9 said:

-Build your own PC and install Game Core OS and make your own custom Xbox Series X console

At this point why not just stick to Windows? Xbox controllers works flawlessly on Windows 10 and pretty much every game on the Xbox is available on Windows.

 

Besides to make it even more compelling, Sony is starting to bring their exclusives to PC:

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/69253/sony-brings-more-ps4-games-pc-exclusives-follow/index.html

[Viper9]

4 minutes ago, Princess Luna said:

At this point why not just stick to Windows? Xbox controllers works flawlessly on Windows 10 and pretty much every game on the Xbox is available on Windows.

The UI will be better for the living room and you won't have all kind of services running in the background that you don't need if you only want a gaming console. Or at least they could create a "Game Mode" that switch the UI.

[Princess Luna]

1 minute ago, Viper9 said:

The UI will be better for the living room and you have all kind of services running in the background that you don't need if you only want a gaming console. Or at least they could create a "Game Mode" that switch the UI.

I don't personally have much of an issue using a computer as my living room "console"... but I suppose UI are personal preference matters.

 

The computer has access to all the services and more as well... so it's really only a matter of getting used or not on how to get there.

[MageTank]

2 hours ago, Princess Luna said:

I don't personally have much of an issue using a computer as my living room "console"... but I suppose UI are personal preference matters.

 

The computer has access to all the services and more as well... so it's really only a matter of getting used or not on how to get there.

I can see it being beneficial if you are letting your kids or less technically adept family members use it as a console. The easier they can navigate and get into the content they are looking for, the better. 

[Brooksie359]

2 hours ago, Princess Luna said:

I don't personally have much of an issue using a computer as my living room "console"... but I suppose UI are personal preference matters.

 

The computer has access to all the services and more as well... so it's really only a matter of getting used or not on how to get there.

I think the main advantage of having it setup with a console OS would be the ability to navigate the OS via controller rather than requiring the use of mouse and keyboard as that can be a bit awkward to use on a couch compared to a controller. 

[pumas]

I don't know why they are doing this when the Scarlet in coming out. Woudln't they want to drive the most people to the scarlett first?

[BroliviaWilde]

Microsoft Drops 'Series X' From the Next-Gen Xbox's Name

 

but not really, it seems "xbox" is still the name and one specific version will be named xbox series x - the one shown at the game awards

[JZStudios]

12 hours ago, Newenthusiast said:

Are you seriously trying to say that God of War looks like shit?  Red Dead 2 (before it came to PC) looked like shit? Uncharted 4 and Lost Legacy looked like shit?  

 

You need to have your eyes examined, or maybe they're covered in shit from your head being up your ass

You haven't read the previous posts have you?

But otherwise something about God Of War looked very off to me but I can't nail what.

9 hours ago, Brooksie359 said:

I never said consoles were trash or that they dont have their place I am merely stating that to say 4k for consoles and 4k for pc are not equivalent metrics and that the marketing of 4k is somewhat misleading when people assume they are same. 

It is the same. 4K is a resolution.

 

3 hours ago, Ross Siggers said:

Don't be a elitist douchebag and/or troll. The games listed are all gorgeous, regardless of if they'd look better on PC. And their gameplay amazing, so the only one missing out here is you.

Don't be so closed minded. Or a troll. Or both  

 

You also didn't read the last 4 comments.

 

[dalekphalm]

9 hours ago, Brooksie359 said:

I never said consoles were trash or that they dont have their place I am merely stating that to say 4k for consoles and 4k for pc are not equivalent metrics and that the marketing of 4k is somewhat misleading when people assume they are same. 

4K is just a resolution.

 

4K on a PC and 4K on a console is the same - they both have resolutions of 3840 x 2160.

 

Now if you want to talk about graphical fidelity - sure, a high end gaming PC running a modern AAA title at Ultra/maxed graphics settings is going to look better, in most cases, than the same game on a One X or PS4 Pro.

 

But that's not 4K. That's not resolution.

 

Further to that, were you not the one that claimed that consoles didn't do "true 4K"? Which is straight up false.

 

I don't disagree that marketing uses 4K as a catch-all that may imply more than it is - but that happens regardless of whether it's PC, Console, AppleTV, or whatever.

 

Current gen "pro" versions of the consoles can do 4K. Period. "True" 4K. The next gen ones will also be able to do 4K - possibly at higher frame rates even - likely with much better fidelity than the current gen consoles.

[ZacoAttaco]

3 hours ago, Princess Luna said:

I don't personally have much of an issue using a computer as my living room "console"... but I suppose UI are personal preference matters.

 

The computer has access to all the services and more as well... so it's really only a matter of getting used or not on how to get there.

I have a PC and an Xbox One. I've mainly been using the Xbox as of late, it's just more convenient and fits in my wall unit better than my tower. If I were to build a PC for the living room I could build a Mini-ATX system that would fit well and use Steam Big Picture mode but I honestly wouldn't get enough use out of it. The Xbox is just easier for now. I don't know how the Series X will fit in my wall unit though.  

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Pumas_committed_bottleneck said:

I don't know why they are doing this when the Scarlet in coming out.

This is Project Scarlett. Same as the Xbox one X was called "Project Scorpio". Their project names aren't the final marketing names.

[Donut417]

2 hours ago, Pumas_committed_bottleneck said:

I don't know why they are doing this when the Scarlet in coming out. Woudln't they want to drive the most people to the scarlett first?

This is scarlet. Scarlet is just the project name not the product name. 

[Brooksie359]

4 hours ago, JZStudios said:

You haven't read the previous posts have you?

But otherwise something about God Of War looked very off to me but I can't nail what.

It is the same. 4K is a resolution.

 

You also didn't read the last 4 comments.

 

No it isn't. It's not the same for obviously reasons. You take the same game and look at it on pc vs console at 4k and you can clearly tell the difference so to say they are the same is a straight up lie. 

[Mark Kaine]

8 hours ago, Princess Luna said:

At this point why not just stick to Windows? 

Because windows does a lot of shit in the background,  is the opposite of streamlined, has a ton of features I'll never use or that actively annoy me and the features for gaming specifically are a joke.

 

It's not that it's all bad - it works (mostly), it plays games, but the UI and structure is god awful and tedious to use. It's literally this windows in windows in windows concept that annoys me to no end,  there's no discernable structure other than "yeah, we have windows, how practical"  (it's not) 

 

It somehow feels straight out of the nineties,  never evolved other than getting more convoluted and impractical over the years.

.

 

Of course,  I have no idea if a "console OS" would be any better and how locked down that would be... 

 

 

If it means the difference between mods and no mods I take the convoluted,  old fashioned and highly tedious keyboard and mouse OS over the easy to navigate shiny console OS everyday to be honest. 

 

[dalekphalm]

40 minutes ago, Brooksie359 said:

No it isn't. It's not the same for obviously reasons. You take the same game and look at it on pc vs console at 4k and you can clearly tell the difference so to say they are the same is a straight up lie. 

Sure it’s not going to look the same. But that has nothing to do with 4K.  It won’t look the same at 1080p either but that doesn’t change the fact that 1080p is, in fact, 1080p. 
 

A computer running a GTX 980 at 4K/medium is not going to look the same as one running a 2080 Ti with graphics settings maxed. 
 

Yet both are, in fact, 4K. 

[Mira Yurizaki]

I think the term @Brooksie359 is looking for is "rendering resolution." A lot of games on the PS4 Pro don't render at 4K natively, but they are scaled up to 4K and output that way.
 

Unless that's not what was meant. Then no, a rendering resolution of 4K is 4K regardless of what platform you run it on.

[Nowak]

So apparently the product is just called the Xbox while Series X is just the specific model name, so that means that we've had three Xbox consoles in a row with essentially the same name.

 

For those of you not keeping track, that'd be the Xbox, Xbox One and... Xbox.

 

microsoft wyd

[Brooksie359]

5 hours ago, dalekphalm said:

4K is just a resolution.

 

4K on a PC and 4K on a console is the same - they both have resolutions of 3840 x 2160.

 

Now if you want to talk about graphical fidelity - sure, a high end gaming PC running a modern AAA title at Ultra/maxed graphics settings is going to look better, in most cases, than the same game on a One X or PS4 Pro.

 

But that's not 4K. That's not resolution.

 

Further to that, were you not the one that claimed that consoles didn't do "true 4K"? Which is straight up false.

 

I don't disagree that marketing uses 4K as a catch-all that may imply more than it is - but that happens regardless of whether it's PC, Console, AppleTV, or whatever.

 

Current gen "pro" versions of the consoles can do 4K. Period. "True" 4K. The next gen ones will also be able to do 4K - possibly at higher frame rates even - likely with much better fidelity than the current gen consoles.

Ok I would like to first point out that I never once said that console 4k was not 4k but rather it wasn't the same as 4k on PC because they are two different experiences. I also explicitly said that consoles do technically play at 4k because they do so I do not see where you are getting me saying that it isn't real 4k. I was saying that quality settings matter because saying something runs games in 4k means jack all without determining visual quality settings. I imagine the new consoles 4k will likely mean alot more than the current gen consoles because the quality settings will likely be much improved. my main problem was people insisting that quality settings are irrelevant because in reality they are more relevant than some marketing gimmick saying it runs at 4k like that means anything without context.

[Mark Kaine]

40 minutes ago, Brooksie359 said:

I imagine the new consoles 4k will likely mean alot more than the current gen consoles because the quality settings will likely be much improved.

That's true,  but I suppose it'll still run pretty bad mostly,  and they'll still be cutting corners (physics,  AI, etc) where you don't actually see it... 

 

Hope I'm wrong because it could be done a lot more interesting stuff with nowadays tech,  but it's all held back by race to highest resolutions, which ultimately is just a gimmick if it's the main / only focus. 

[The1Dickens]

Maybe it's just me, but I'd much rather we stopped calling it 4K because it isn't really 4K... but that's a whole 'nother other battle...

 

As for the consoles, I'm actually interested in the higher refresh rates they want to push. TVs don't really do high refresh rates (MotionRate120 (and other 'brand flavors) is not real 120Hz refresh rate, let alone 144 or 240), but they do HDR much better than PCs. I'm in the market for a new TV, so I guess I'll wait a bit longer to see what I should pair up with the Xbox/PS5

[dalekphalm]

1 hour ago, Mira Yurizaki said:

I think the term @Brooksie359 is looking for is "rendering resolution." A lot of games on the PS4 Pro don't render at 4K natively, but they are scaled up to 4K and output that way.
 

Unless that's not what was meant. Then no, a rendering resolution of 4K is 4K regardless of what platform you run it on.

Perhaps so - but even in that case, it's still incorrect. While a lot of games render at lower resolutions and upscale, some indeed do run and are rendered at native 4K - same with on the One X.

[dalekphalm]

1 hour ago, Brooksie359 said:

Ok I would like to first point out that I never once said that console 4k was not 4k but rather it wasn't the same as 4k on PC because they are two different experiences. I also explicitly said that consoles do technically play at 4k because they do so I do not see where you are getting me saying that it isn't real 4k. I was saying that quality settings matter because saying something runs games in 4k means jack all without determining visual quality settings. I imagine the new consoles 4k will likely mean alot more than the current gen consoles because the quality settings will likely be much improved. my main problem was people insisting that quality settings are irrelevant because in reality they are more relevant than some marketing gimmick saying it runs at 4k like that means anything without context.

I'll concede that you didn't outright say "4K on consoles is fake" - but you kept saying the same thing over and over again "4K on console isn't comparable to 4K on PC".

 

Which is false.

 

4K is a resolution.

 

That's it.

 

3840 x 2160 is the same on Xbox One X as it is on any PC capable of that resolution.

 

If you mean graphical fidelity, then say so. Stop talking about 4K when that's irrelevant. Start talking about the actual differences - higher graphical settings, etc.

 

And it's true, with some PC's. A PC running a 2080 Ti with graphics settings set to Ultra/Max is going to most likely look better than an Xbox One X running the same game - regardless of what resolutions are being used in either machine.

 

But that has nothing to do with 4K.

 

Examples of your language below:

On 12/13/2019 at 3:34 PM, Brooksie359 said:

4k on the xbox and 4k on pc for read dead redemption 2 is not really a good comparison seeing as the game has vastly superior visuals in the pc port of the game. 

 

On 12/16/2019 at 1:08 AM, Brooksie359 said:

But it is 100% relevant. The main point is that the 4k figure is kinda marketing bs because 4k on console isn't comparable to 4k on pc. 

 

17 hours ago, Brooksie359 said:

I never said consoles were trash or that they dont have their place I am merely stating that to say 4k for consoles and 4k for pc are not equivalent metrics and that the marketing of 4k is somewhat misleading when people assume they are same. 

 

[Derangel]

43 minutes ago, The1Dickens said:

Maybe it's just me, but I'd much rather we stopped calling it 4K because it isn't really 4K... but that's a whole 'nother other battle...

 

As for the consoles, I'm actually interested in the higher refresh rates they want to push. TVs don't really do high refresh rates (MotionRate120 (and other 'brand flavors) is not real 120Hz refresh rate, let alone 144 or 240), but they do HDR much better than PCs. I'm in the market for a new TV, so I guess I'll wait a bit longer to see what I should pair up with the Xbox/PS5

Pretty sure there are a few TVs that do true 120hz at 4K now and more will be coming in the next couple years as HDMI 2.1 gets adopted. Since DisplayPort was a nonstarter on TVs they’re stuck with whatever HDMI versions support.