[Updated for launch] OnePlus 6 Leaks Ahead of May 16th Event

[Suika]

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It feels like the OnePlus 5T launched yesterday, and here we are talking about the OnePlus 6.

 

I'm kind of shocked this hasn't been posted, or maybe there's just been a general lack of interest in the device? Whatever it may be, Amazon Germany accidentally leaked the device's store page ahead of the May 16th event OnePlus will be holding. From the photos, the device obviously has a notch despite retaining a chin (why then?) with the camera moved back into the middle of the device, along with a more rectangular fingerprint scanner. It's more clear in the other leaked photo but it looks like there will be a glossy rear panel, likely made of glass, but it'd be nice to see ceramic again.

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The OnePlus 6’s Amazon Germany listings also reveal prices for the phone and says the phone will ship on May 22nd. According to those since-deleted listings, the OnePlus 6 may start at $621.26 (€519) for the 64GB model, with the 128GB model costing $681.11 (€569). 

Those prices definitely seem steep even for OnePlus, but this being Amazon Germany, I'm assuming these prices include VAT, US shoppers are likely to pay less for the device. There are talks of a 256GB model but pricing wasn't listed.

 

EDIT: Since the device was announced, here are the official prices and specs.

 

6GB / 64GB - $529 / Mirror Black

8GB / 128GB - $579 / Silk White + Both blacks

8GB / 256GB - $629 / Midnight Black

(Yes, the colors correspond with the memory capacity, unfortunately)

 

Device specs are expected, with

• Snapdragon 845 
• 6GB / 64GB and 8GB / 128 GB / 256GB options
• 2280 x 1080 6.3" AMOLED display (19:9 Ratio)
• 3,300mAh Battery backed by Dash Charge
• Dual nano-SIM support
• Bluetooth 5
• 16-megapixel f/1.7 main camera with OIS
• 4K 60FPS / 1080p 240FPS / 720p 480FPS 

Device goes on sale on May 22nd, with Silk White being available on June 5th.

 

So here in the US, the premium OnePlus device starts about $300 cheaper than the Samsung Galaxy S9+, $320 cheaper than the Google Pixel 2 XL, and $270 cheaper than the iPhone 8 Plus while retaining a headphone jack. All in all, a mighty fine device in its own right. I'm personally not sure how attractive the 8GB is, especially since I've been using my Pixel 2 XL with only 4GB of RAM just fine, but extra storage is probably more appealing anyway, as is that Silk White. It's also nice that 256GB is only an extra $100, instead of $150, and also 128GB more than what the Pixels offer for an extra $100. There are so many questions with the design of this device, however, such as introducing a notch but having to retain a chin, including a glass rear panel with no wireless charging, restricting colors to memory capacity, etc.

[Trixanity]

For the love of God stop converting currencies from euros/pounds to dollars. It doesn't work. You're more likely to get it right by just keeping the value and replacing the currency symbol.

 

All EU prices are with VAT included unless otherwise stated. It's against the law to do otherwise.

 

The price increase is only a few percent. 10-15 Euros per SKU I believe.

[Levent]

*price of the oneplus 6 leaks ahead of may 16th launch.

[RollinLower]

if that render is accurate i really don't see the point of this VS the 5T.

i mean, if anything it looks worse with that notch, and the chin. 

[AlTech]

48 minutes ago, Trixanity said:

For the love of God stop converting currencies from euros/pounds to dollars. It doesn't work. You're more likely to get it right by just keeping the value and replacing the currency symbol.

Not always.

48 minutes ago, Trixanity said:

All EU prices are with VAT included unless otherwise stated. It's against the law to do otherwise.

It is?

 

In the UK at least you need to make more than X amount of money before you need to charge customers VAT.

48 minutes ago, Trixanity said:

The price increase is only a few percent. 10-15 Euros per SKU I believe.

Wait what? Where do you live lol? .

 

When I bought my used OP3 for £280. £56 of it was VAT. If i bought a £500 phone, £100 of it would be VAT .

 

Anyhow back on topic: I'm probably gonna pass on this since I got my used OP3 in November 2017. Maybe I'll buy the 6T or the 7 when that comes out. Idk. 

 

[Brooksie359]

1 hour ago, Trixanity said:

For the love of God stop converting currencies from euros/pounds to dollars. It doesn't work. You're more likely to get it right by just keeping the value and replacing the currency symbol.

 

All EU prices are with VAT included unless otherwise stated. It's against the law to do otherwise.

 

The price increase is only a few percent. 10-15 Euros per SKU I believe.

I know I hate when people do this. It's like they have never looked at electronic prices between Europe and the US. I mean I have seen times where it cost less USD for something than it cost in euros and that is on multiple locations. In general you can never tell what the price will be in another region based on another regions pricing. 

[michaelocarroll007]

22 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

Not always.

It is?

 

In the UK at least you need to make more than X amount of money before you need to charge customers VAT.

Wait what? Where do you live lol? .

 

When I bought my used OP3 for £280. £56 of it was VAT. If i bought a £500 phone, £100 of it would be VAT .

 

Anyhow back on topic: I'm probably gonna pass on this since I got my used OP3 in November 2017. Maybe I'll buy the 6T or the 7 when that comes out. Idk. 

 

I Would think when he says a few Percent and 10-15 euros per SkU he is talking about the 5T you know the last one plus flagship not the one 3 back.  

 

5T was 449 and 499 Euros.  Still a bigger jump then 10$ though. Tomorrow we will all find out what the price is in our currencies no real reason to over speculate i suppose anyhow. 

 

[michaelocarroll007]

3 minutes ago, Brooksie359 said:

I know I hate when people do this. It's like they have never looked at electronic prices between Europe and the US. I mean I have seen times where it cost less USD for something than it cost in euros and that is on multiple locations. In general you can never tell what the price will be in another region based on another regions pricing. 

Yeah its kinda over the place. Sometimes $99.99 usd is $99.99 Euros and other times its way less in USD cause VAT and Currency difference.  ( Though we add taxes at the end of a Transaction) 

[ScratchCat]

17 minutes ago, Brooksie359 said:

I know I hate when people do this. It's like they have never looked at electronic prices between Europe and the US. I mean I have seen times where it cost less USD for something than it cost in euros and that is on multiple locations. In general you can never tell what the price will be in another region based on another regions pricing. 

This is because of varying tax rates in different states, as there are so many different values companies just provide the VAT free version. The best thing to do is assume that $1 = €1 as the difference due to exchange rate can mostly cancel out the tax difference.

[Trixanity]

57 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

Not always.

It is?

 

In the UK at least you need to make more than X amount of money before you need to charge customers VAT.

Wait what? Where do you live lol? .

 

When I bought my used OP3 for £280. £56 of it was VAT. If i bought a £500 phone, £100 of it would be VAT .

 

Anyhow back on topic: I'm probably gonna pass on this since I got my used OP3 in November 2017. Maybe I'll buy the 6T or the 7 when that comes out. Idk. 

 

No, not always but often it's spot on, other times it's close enough. Converting currencies will always be way off because it doesn't account for VAT, it doesn't account for market differences and it doesn't account for import fees or other taxes. Electronics are more expensive across the board within the EU for whatever reason(s).

 

I'd wager most shops selling phones would be required to charge a sales tax regardless of whatever local law you may have. Even the UK. And since this is Amazon, you can bet they'll charge you VAT.

 

I'm obviously referring to the 5T. Going back years and years and doing a comparison there would warrant some disclaimer. The 5T launched at 499/559 Euros. So yeah, that's pretty close. Even mentioning the 3 in this context is pretty much bs to needlessly argue a point if you ask me. Same goes for mentioning the amount of VAT you paid for your phone.

 

Either way, the price is listed in Euros and UK law therefore do not apply and generally speaking the EU law dictates you can't obfuscate the price. 

[Trixanity]

27 minutes ago, ScratchCat said:

This is because of varying tax rates in different states, as there are so many different values companies just provide the VAT free version. The best thing to do is assume that $1 = €1 as the difference due to exchange rate can mostly cancel out the tax difference.

It's the same in the EU but somehow Amazon figured out how to look up tax rates for each country and automatically show the correct price before you purchase. It's black magic I tells ya.

[suicidalfranco]

One plus is officially dead to me with this device

[ScratchCat]

51 minutes ago, Trixanity said:

It's the same in the EU but somehow Amazon figured out how to look up tax rates for each country and automatically show the correct price before you purchase. It's black magic I tells ya.

For Europe they would have had to add language detection per country and most countries have a dedicated domain name i.e. amazon.nl therefore setting the tax per domain is not that hard as they can train customers to use the country relevant version. In comparison the US version has the same domain name for the entire country and IPs located near the border of a state would wreck havoc with an IP geolocation system.

[79wjd]

Oh hey, what do you know, One Plus is a company, not your friend.

 

Whoda thunk it

[Trixanity]

8 hours ago, ScratchCat said:

For Europe they would have had to add language detection per country and most countries have a dedicated domain name i.e. amazon.nl therefore setting the tax per domain is not that hard as they can train customers to use the country relevant version. In comparison the US version has the same domain name for the entire country and IPs located near the border of a state would wreck havoc with an IP geolocation system.

Most countries? There's 6 Amazon sites versus 28 EU countries. Or 51 countries within Europe. How does that translate to most? I don't have a local site yet can shop with the correct VAT percentage. I don't shop with a local domain nor language actually. You also need to input your address for billing and shipping so that solves any issue with IP tracking.

 

It's a BS argument, it's used frequently and it has no merit. It can be done in a lot if not most or all cases especially if we're talking strictly online shopping. Like many other things it's just easier not to. And people just accept it - like so many other things.

[LAwLz]

Damn, that's really expensive. Why has smartphones become so incredibly expensive? I remember when I bought my Galaxy S 2 for ~400 euros and thought that was crazy expensive. Now it's twice as expensive for the equivalent tier.

 

 

9 hours ago, ScratchCat said:

For Europe they would have had to add language detection per country and most countries have a dedicated domain name i.e. amazon.nl therefore setting the tax per domain is not that hard as they can train customers to use the country relevant version. In comparison the US version has the same domain name for the entire country and IPs located near the border of a state would wreck havoc with an IP geolocation system.

Just check the delivery address? I am pretty sure Amazon already does that.

The reason why they don't display with VAT is because it's not required in the US, and why would a store want to display significantly higher prices than their competitors?

[ScratchCat]

1 hour ago, Trixanity said:

Most countries? There's 6 Amazon sites versus 28 EU countries. Or 51 countries within Europe. How does that translate to most? I don't have a local site yet can shop with the correct VAT percentage.

Amazon.nl, amazon.es, amazon.fr, amazon.de, amazon.co.uk and amazon.il seem to be the main European domains, the rest are registered but redirect to either one of these or amazon.com with a flag for the given country. Smaller countries are unlikely to get a smaller domain as Amazon already serves the most populous countries (6 of the top 7), many countries share a language and have tax rates within 1% of each other. Additionally importing something from another country within the EU does not require you to pay extra VAT on the purchase.

 

1 hour ago, LAwLz said:

Just check the delivery address? I am pretty sure Amazon already does that.

The reason why they don't display with VAT is because it's not required in the US, and why would a store want to display significantly higher prices than their competitors?

 

2 hours ago, Trixanity said:

 You also need to input your address for billing and shipping so that solves any issue with IP tracking.

 

It's a BS argument, it's used frequently and it has no merit. It can be done in a lot if not most or all cases especially if we're talking strictly online shopping. Like many other things it's just easier not to. And people just accept it - like so many other things.

The billing address cannot be used as you may purchase something from a different state - a state which imports more goods under a higher tax bracket would bring in more revenue than one which exports these goods as the tax would be paid in in importing state as that is where the billing address is almost certainly located. The delivery address cannot be used for the same reason as well as the ability to send goods to a different state and have them later forwarded on which would allow one to abuse the lower sales tax in a different state. The reason this works in the EU is because the tax rates differ by around 1%p, in the US examples such as CA vs OR have difference of 8%p.

 

I agree however that it would be unreasonable for a company to advertise the higher cost including VAT.

[Trixanity]

33 minutes ago, ScratchCat said:

Amazon.nl, amazon.es, amazon.fr, amazon.de, amazon.co.uk and amazon.il seem to be the main European domains, the rest are registered but redirect to either one of these or amazon.com with a flag for the given country. Smaller countries are unlikely to get a smaller domain as Amazon already serves the most populous countries (6 of the top 7), many countries share a language and have tax rates within 1% of each other. Additionally importing something from another country within the EU does not require you to pay extra VAT on the purchase.

 

 

The billing address cannot be used as you may purchase something from a different state - a state which imports more goods under a higher tax bracket would bring in more revenue than one which exports these goods as the tax would be paid in in importing state as that is where the billing address is almost certainly located. The delivery address cannot be used for the same reason as well as the ability to send goods to a different state and have them later forwarded on which would allow one to abuse the lower sales tax in a different state. The reason this works in the EU is because the tax rates differ by around 1%p, in the US examples such as CA vs OR have difference of 8%p.

 

I agree however that it would be unreasonable for a company to advertise the higher cost including VAT.

Wrong again. The tax rate differs wildly from country to country (and sometimes depend on the item you purchase) and Amazon is required to apply the tax rate of your country when buying which means if I buy from Amazon.de I don't get to pay 19% VAT and save money - I get to pay the full 25%. You don't pay VAT twice if that's what you mean. That's how it should be done: pay sales tax in the state you live in regardless of where it ships from - the state the shop operates in gets its money from the company itself on their operations and the jobs created and by extension income tax.

 

And not really many on that list sharing languages. Some have similar languages but if you're not familiar with it it can be quite problematic to understand. Belonging to a language family and being neighbors does not equate to understanding - in fact many have no clue when hearing what's supposed to be a similar language.

 

It would be extremely convoluted to forward all over the place to save a few percent. How many Texans would forward to Montana to save 6% versus getting their package quickly? You'd have to buy an iPhone at least for it to be truly worth it. You'd have to be extremely petty to forward a packet of M&Ms - not to mention the cost of using a service or even just a family member in shipping & handling.

 

It may be I underestimate how badly US laws are written but it should honestly be a trivial matter to accomplish. However you forget how different each and every EU country is - that's kinda why it often ends up being a shit show. It's hard to force 28 different cultures to cooperate when they disagree on most things and have so large disparities (economically, socially, politically, spiritually, culturally and more) with no glue holding them together besides some made up nonsense about European spirit to promote trade and prevent wars.

 

And the last comment is basically consumer vs corporate. Should you favor transparency for the benefit of the consumer or should you favor marketing in favor of the corporation? I always go with the former meaning I'd rather they list the full price instead of trying to trick my brain into thinking something's cheaper than it is.

[Doobeedoo]

Screw the pricings. Also dreaded notch. 

[JoostinOnline]

13 hours ago, Doobeedoo said:

Screw the pricings. Also dreaded notch. 

I've been saving up planning to buy the OnePlus 6.  The notch just broke it for me.

[Rohith_Kumar_Sp]

Roses are Red,
Violets are Blue,
Notches are Disgusting.

[Doobeedoo]

40 minutes ago, JoostinOnline said:

I've been saving up planning to buy the OnePlus 6.  The notch just broke it for me.

I'm good with my current phone Galaxy S6 so I'll probably wait for next one with like full screen though.

[Drak3]

Good to see that OnePlus' tagline is still solid advise to not buy their phones.

[porina]

21 hours ago, Trixanity said:

All EU prices are with VAT included unless otherwise stated. It's against the law to do otherwise.

For consumer pricing the price you see is tax inclusive and the price you pay. For stores that sell exclusively to businesses, it is more common to see ex-VAT also, although thinking more I'm not sure if both ex and inc are always shown.

20 hours ago, AluminiumTech said:

In the UK at least you need to make more than X amount of money before you need to charge customers VAT.

We're not interested in what businesses have to tell the tax man. This is all about what the consumer sees as the pricing. In normal day to day life, what you see is what you pay with no extras. Not all items are taxable and it doesn't matter...

[Trixanity]

12 minutes ago, porina said:

For consumer pricing the price you see is tax inclusive and the price you pay. For stores that sell exclusively to businesses, it is more common to see ex-VAT also, although thinking more I'm not sure if both ex and inc are always shown.

Yes, but we're not discussing B2B transactions. Whenever I stumble onto a B2B page it's usually listed as ex-VAT but again: not really relevant.